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nope exorsists are down to 125 and have a free searchlight

but agree about Immolators!

Love the Shrine

 Mr Morden wrote:
nope exorsists are down to 125 and have a free searchlight

but agree about Immolators!

Love the Shrine

Right you are, I was sure I read 135. Was even one of the first things I checked since my friends always cry about my exos.

And thanks!

Like I said, cheaper exorcists, and dirt cheap immolators. It's going to be fun seeing some of the lists that pop up.

Wonder if this is intentional: give the Mace of Valaan to a Priest, take Eldars as Allies with the Avatar as HQ and keep the two of them within 6" of each other. And the mace always have Fleshbane.

Done sent Codex Grey Knight have Daemon Hosts still? Ally a couple of those in, if you're disregard for the fluff is so strong that you're willing to bring an Avatar along...

My intial thoughts I posted for my club - hoping to get a game on Wednesday to test.

Overview
Its £20 and has lots of pretty pictures and some bits and pieces of new fluff.
Most importantly loads of huge changes to their rules - some good, some less good and some - well pretty awesome

Shield of Faith stays - but now we get Adamant Will as well - so +1 to all units with this to Deny the Witch Rolls.
Acts of Faith - totally different - its not a straight LD test and you normally only get one per game per unit, but you can get extra through Standards. Some have chnaged - perhapos the most important being Dominons - instead of Twin Linked their AOF allows they to Ignore Cover (of yes with their melta guns)

Units:
HQ
St Celestine - gone up 20pts and can now only come back once, but gains Hit and Run, her Sword is now S5 and master crafted, but still Ap3.
Canoness - Still over priced but with a variety of relics that can give her Eternal Warrior and various buffs to her self and other units
Priests - only 25pts gets you a model that can buff your units 1 of 3 ways in Close Combat (LD test like AOF but every fight phase) - so unit gains either re-roll ALL failed armour/Invuln saves, gain Smite or re-roll all failed to wound
Command Squad - much more flexible and every single Celestian can have special or heavy weapons - regardless of size of the unit - you start with 5 Celestians

Elite
Celestians - still difficult to use so seldom will be seen - an assault squad which is not great in Assault
Repentia - loose Feel No pain, but have powerfists, Fleet, Rage and Fearless and can now have transports

FA
Dominons - By the Emperor these are good - they keep Scout and change their AOF to allow them to ignore cover rather than TL BUT can now take up to 4 special weapons (Flamers or Meltaguns) per unit - even if there are only 5 of them. Plus Immolators went down in price............
Serpahim - Their AOF is the same pretty much and they have to buy the Superior - but otherwise the same except hand flamers are now cheaper at 10pts

Troops
Battle Sisters - still only one choice but now you can have units of 5 - 2 of whom can have special or 1 special and 1 heavy - sweet............

Vehicles
Rhino gets a free searchlight and goes up by 5pts - so its not free...........
Immolators go down and the TL Multi-Melta is now a straight swap - ie free - awesome, oh and free searchlight
Exorcists go down in price, get a free searchlight and stay the same rules wise - awesome.
Penitent Engines - remain walkers and a bit difficult to use perhaps

Looking forward to trying them out

So I posted this on the GW Digital Editions FB page and it got removed, not by me, within 5 minutes:

Quick question: Is there an error concerning Arch-Confessor Kyrinov's pseudo absence from the .epub/.mobi versions of Codex: Adepta Sororitas? Just after Uriah Jacobus' page there is a heading titled, "The Arch-Confessor" following with three paragraphs of "fluff" about Kyrinov, but no actual entry for him and the next page goes onto "Saint Celestine".

Well, the Mace of Valaan is now wargear for priests, so he got squatted I guess..

 Still Standing wrote:
Done sent Codex Grey Knight have Daemon Hosts still? Ally a couple of those in, if you're disregard for the fluff is so strong that you're willing to bring an Avatar along...

Fluff is not my strong side, but wasn't a Sister mentioned in the SoB thread in Tactics who fought with Eldar?

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So, can anyone tell me what does Shred do ? I have a French rulebook, and I have no idea about the name of the rule in French. And I don't even have the rulebook with me right now. Is it any good ? What's the difference with rending ?

Look for découpage/déchiquetage/dépeçage, or look in the lightning claw entry.

In the french book its "Lacération".

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I've half-killed the battery in my iPad and have gotten down my initial thoughts over on TWG: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/10/codex-adepta-sororitas-review.html .

Onething about your assessment is that (I am being nitpicky here) Repentia don'tactually have fell no pain unless they use their Act of Faith. Repentia are still a miserable unit to run for assaults.

For my own opinion, I am a little disappointed in the codex, but that primarily because I got my hopes up that it would be great. Almost none of the things i hoped for happened. My guess is that have a lot of preiest models tjey want to sell.

Why are arcos so much better in this codex?

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:
Why are arcos so much better in this codex?

They got cheaper. Take a look.

 labmouse42 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Condemer bolt guns. 24" S4 hits cause perils on the unit.

Bye bye jetSeers & ScreamerCouncils

i see alot of folks lauding the Condemner boltguns... I dont think people are reading the whole entry.

They are single use combi-bolter options, so its hardly an I win button folks are making it out as.

 edweird wrote:
They are single use combi-bolter options, so its hardly an I win button folks are making it out as.

Most other things the regular Superiors can use are combi-weapons, though. So it's not out of place. And I don't think anyone's saying it's an "I win button", just that it's good at dealing with psykers, which it is.

Also goes nicely with Adamantium Will.

My first thought of the condemner boltgun was shooting a grey knights land raider, since it has psychic pilot, and since it causes a perils on a hit, not a wound, would that be an easier way to strip off a hull point?

 Purifier wrote:

Oh, and the new missions? I am all over that. I made this shrine some months ago. It's like gw gave me a personal present with the Defend The Shrine mission

Spoiler:

Shrine is shrinetastic.

Also, why does everyone hate inferno pistols so much? Is it just that they're not worth 15 points apiece?

 SisterSydney wrote:
Also, why does everyone hate inferno pistols so much? Is it just that they're not worth 15 points apiece?

For me, its that, and the fact that they have a 3" Melta range. I don't consider them a 'never take' option, though, especially since Precision Shot plus Str 8 AP 2 is a great recipe for killing enemy warlords. But you're probably only going to use it once, so a Combimelta gives more range, and is cheaper.

I noticed that the Immolator no longer stipulates ot's restricted to units of 6 or less, so it would be possible to buy empty immolators alongside foot squads to use as fire support. 60 points for an IFV with AV 11, a 6++ and a TL Multimelta seems about right.

 Still Standing wrote:
Done sent Codex Grey Knight have Daemon Hosts still? Ally a couple of those in, if you're disregard for the fluff is so strong that you're willing to bring an Avatar along...

Daemon Hosts don't have the daemon special rule. Also, having to constantly take that desperate allies check because you are within 6" makes the Avatar ally concept kind of silly imho.

Condemnor Boltguns are pretty much the same from the white dwarf... except for the rules lawyering over if it affects an entire squad or just the model that suffers the would. I had the new edition on ebook and the entry reads as such:

"Psi-shock: Any unit with the Pskyer, Brotherhood of Psykers or Psychic Pilot special rules that is hit by a weapon with this special rule suffers the Perils of the Warp in addition to any other damage"

the previous version(white dwarf) read as such: "Any psyker that takes an unsaved would from the stake-crossbow suffers the Perisl of the Warp in additon to any other affects"

I could easily see this being errata'd but we shall see.

As for the rest of the book I am fairly disappointed with it from a purely sisters gameplay aspect. It seems like they want us to hinge our gameplay on preists which obviously is upsetting to most of us long time SoB players. Keep this in mind, our faith system went from a 3rd ed book where any unit could, if lucky, choose from a list of potential abilities that ranged from 3++ for a turn, to AP2 shooting among many others. This system got traded in for a system that pigeon holed acts on specific unit types, which makes no sense since fluff wise sisters progress though the units as they go. The main complaints were that D6 faith per turn did not scale with armies as they grew and greatly limited large games power curve.

Personally I think cruddance botched this one again... and is now level of respect as the guy who thought up Jar Jar Binks.

i am giving this another read now that I have calmed down, about the ways they have completely screwed up my playstyle (Hvy bolter Rets were my bread and butter) and have to think about how I am going to adjust.

Since the most recent rule reads "unit", it applies to the whole unit.

Whether or not that's a typo and will be fixed, that's what I'd go with anyway.

Just got a game in using MSU and Immolator Spam against Drakespam.

The army is powerful, a little fragile and needs a little finesse to play.

If anyone has complaints about no Skyfire, I used three Exorcists. 3D6 shots a turn at Strength 8 AP1 is more than enough to destroy any flyer or FMC.

The MSU Sister units with twin flamers in an Immolator with TL MM was outstanding. I took four squads and tag teamed them into a pair with a Dominion Melta Squad in a TL MM Immolator.

Think of the army as a mid range alpha strike army and you won't go wrong.

Melissa I agree entirely...

however having used them for laughs with the white dwarf and finding it nearly impossible to finesse the stake wound on the psyker with wound allocation. Hopefully it stays this way and we can have a witch hunting army again.

Also I like how its also not requiring an unsaved wound, but a hit only. Quite interesting, although I wish it was not a combi-weapon but we cant have it all.

 Shandara wrote:
Well, the Mace of Valaan is now wargear for priests, so he got squatted I guess..

At least you can still get use out of the model.

Strangely the mace doesn't replace wargear.


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andrewm9 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I've half-killed the battery in my iPad and have gotten down my initial thoughts over on TWG: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/10/codex-adepta-sororitas-review.html .

Onething about your assessment is that (I am being nitpicky here) Repentia don'tactually have fell no pain unless they use their Act of Faith. Repentia are still a miserable unit to run for assaults.

You're right, that was my mistake. I've fixed it so people in the future don't have to deal with it too.


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andrewm9 wrote:

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:
Why are arcos so much better in this codex?

They got cheaper. Take a look.

That and you can take a lot of them too.

So, a big drawback of the previous codex was its lack of flexibility. Generally, we were confined to a few specific builds in order to be competetive. I'm curious about the consensus of the flexibility of this new codex. To me, it seems like we've got some more flexibility, now?

Something I just noticed is that as written Martyrdom doesn't work on units with Priests in them as they do not have the Act of Faith rule but the War Hymns rule. Units affected by Martyrdom must be "wholly comprised of models with the Act of Faith special rule".

Slight concern - am I correct in thinking - RAW that we can;t ally or be allied with as the Ally Matrix does not talk about Adepta Sororitas and there is nothing official to say that you read one as the other.

It won't likely matter for pick up games but for those who get all up tight about RAW?

 Troike wrote:
To me, it seems like we've got some more flexibility, now?

Yes, there seem to be 2-4 good builds you can make not counting allies so far.

re: Allies, I think that it is clear who we can ally with, but people may get silly.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Slight concern - am I correct in thinking - RAW that we can;t ally or be allied with as the Ally Matrix does not talk about Adepta Sororitas and there is nothing official to say that you read one as the other.

It won't likely matter for pick up games but for those who get all up tight about RAW?

If someone claims you cannot ally because GW arbitrarily changed the name of the army I would strongly reconsider playing against that person. No TO is going to rule that Sisters cannot ally with anyone

quiestdeus wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Slight concern - am I correct in thinking - RAW that we can;t ally or be allied with as the Ally Matrix does not talk about Adepta Sororitas and there is nothing official to say that you read one as the other.

It won't likely matter for pick up games but for those who get all up tight about RAW?

If someone claims you cannot ally because GW arbitrarily changed the name of the army I would strongly reconsider playing against that person. No TO is going to rule that Sisters cannot ally with anyone

Have you read all those scary RAW threads