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You should go on the Firefoxes to fnd a dockses that'll deport the foxes that get into your voxes.

Raxmei wrote:

stonefox wrote:It's a loudspeaker. That's what that large hemisphere on the vox is. I don't get why people are talking about stringed pairs of tin cans.

The voxcaster isn't a loudspeaker. It is a sophisticated and reliable communications array that is connected to the Tactical command net via tight beam transmitters and a series of signal decoders.

Sounds like a longwinded way to say loudspeaker.

A loudspeaker would logically allow your voice to be heard from further away. Because it would make your voice louder.

There's explosions and other loud stuff happening.

Why would loudspeakers need decoders and why does the receiving unit need their own "loudspeaker" to hear orders?

MikeK wrote:Why would loudspeakers need decoders and why does the receiving unit need their own "loudspeaker" to hear orders?

Well sergeant pointshout and sergeant baldscream both have pretty bad lisps. The other loudspeaker is so that they can ask for clarification.

How do you make a loudspeaker send a tight beam transmission? And regardless of any other noise in the environment, an amplified voice would be audible from a longer distance than an unaided one.

One might also note that the vox model has antennas.

I swear, we had this exact same argument a couple dozen pages ago.

The antennas are really long, adjustable microphones for the loudspeaker. And while this loudspeaker "could" send tight-beam transmissions, due to the loss of the STC and the Imperium's distaste for research, they don't know how to use it.

Well sergeant pointshout and sergeant baldscream both have pretty bad lisps. The other loudspeaker is so that they can ask for clarification.

In the form of a re-roll.

You're taking the piss, aren't you?

I have a smiley face with jello for an avatar as well as a picture of a couple funny dogs with glasses. What do you think?

stonefox wrote:I have a smiley face with jello for an avatar as well as a picture of a couple funny dogs with glasses. What do you think?

As you can tell from my avatar and signature I am being totally serious as well.

The vox is like a radio system but the person operating it has a microphone to speak into in order to tell them what's happening.

OR! OR! The Vox is an arbitrary upgrade that allows you to do something equally as arbitrary.

Further examples of this include:
Platoon Standards
Gunnery Sgt. Harker
Extra Armor
Stormtroopers

AlexCage wrote:OR! OR! The Vox is an arbitrary upgrade that allows you to do something equally as arbitrary.

Further examples of this include:
Platoon Standards
Gunnery Sgt. Harker
Extra Armor
Stormtroopers

I think you might be misusing the word 'arbitrary' here.

Doing something "arbitrary" (or arbitrarily) would be using personal discretion or preference to do something rather than doing what a law or rule says.

A player taking a platoon standard isn't arbitrary. Nor is taking extra armor.

Furthermore, the vox behaving like it does under the new codex is not arbitrary. One could make the case that "real radios can transmit very long distances therefore, creating a rule in a board game that doesn't convey that reaslism is arbitrary." But I would disagree. First, I am extremely opposed to using 'fantasy realism' as an argument in any case. If monsters are real, then you have to suspend disbelief. Second, the decision to create the rule as it stands was a conscious one, in an effort to make the army play a certain way and have a certain 'feel'.

I dunno. I have a feeling I'm not going to get any traction trying to get people to not complain about something on the internet.

I making a few Guardsmen holding big signs over their heads.

"Bring that enemy tank down, sergeant!"
"What?"
*turns head*
"Oh....got it, captain"

Reading through things it does look okay, except for a few tiny points like the absense of storm bolters, the inability to field my enginseer with plasma pistol and that I can't slap Pask onto a Baneblade, he's Russ material only sadly.

edit.

And "hot-shot" is a horrible word! What's wrong with Hellgun all of the sudden?

Shep wrote:

AlexCage wrote:OR! OR! The Vox is an arbitrary upgrade that allows you to do something equally as arbitrary.

Further examples of this include:
Platoon Standards
Gunnery Sgt. Harker
Extra Armor
Stormtroopers

I think you might be misusing the word 'arbitrary' here.

Doing something "arbitrary" (or arbitrarily) would be using personal discretion or preference to do something rather than doing what a law or rule says.

A player taking a platoon standard isn't arbitrary. Nor is taking extra armor.

No no, not 'taking' these things is arbitrary, what they do and what they are, however, are. You'll be hard pressed to convince me that anything these things do makes any friggin' sense.

And I may have thrown stormtroopers in there just to be popular. It's somewhat in vouge to bitch about them.

So before this codex came out or more precisely was leaked, I had wanted to put together a Guard army. I wanted to do an all drop troops style force. Not necessarily the best build but I wanted it to be fun, not competitive. Is there any way to do this with the new Codex? Having guardsman jump in with grav chutes?

Only way is to load'em up in Valkyries. Good luck!

BrookM wrote:Reading through things it does look okay, except for a few tiny points like the absense of storm bolters, the inability to field my enginseer with plasma pistol and that I can't slap Pask onto a Baneblade, he's Russ material only sadly.

edit.

And "hot-shot" is a horrible word! What's wrong with Hellgun all of the sudden?

Whenever a new codex comes out there are people who deserve pity.

In the IG community, they are....

1. People who were smart and industrious and put lasguns on their sergeants. I was spared this fate by playing vostroyans and being too lazy to alter the metal sergeants. But the guys that have lasgun sarges are boned and that sucks.

2. People who used other wargear options that are WSYWIG and do not appear in the new book.

3. Warrior weapons players deserve your pity. On so many levels



I think they are hot-shot lasguns so that we would tear each other apart in YMDC about whether you can FRFSRF with them or not.

But seriously, I think the decision was made to ret-con the name in order to fit in with both the older fluff of IG and with the current Dan Abnett novels. One of the biggest SNAFU's was that in the english version of the codex, when talking about the new hot-shot lasgun in the storm trooper section, the term hellgun appears. Oops, cut and paste fail.

Just want to double check something I couldn't find earlier in the thread. With the new dex we can have 1+ CCS? and PCS are not required anymore?

Seems wierd to me.

Errrm, what? Platoon Command Squads are most Certainly Mandatory (assuming that's what PCS means) and CCS have no limits other than the FoC (So you can take one, two or none).

oh, and Hotshot Lasguns is yet another nugget that shows GW are moving away from being a games company to a company that peddles crap to kiddies, because "Hell" is a bad word (Compare ANY chaos 2nd ed fluff to today's and you will see what I mean)

Ah who am I kidding GW hasn't given a gak about vet games for years now. I don't know why everyone is so surprised tbh

"1. People who were smart and industrious and put lasguns on their sergeants. I was spared this fate by playing vostroyans and being too lazy to alter the metal sergeants. But the guys that have lasgun sarges are boned and that sucks."

sorry ,but i'm not redoing the few sgt. models i have that are carrying lasguns. i can't see anybody raising that big of an issue about it.

more on topic, i haven't heard much talk of people using Yarrick. does anybody feel like it's time for him to make his dramatic comeback?

Gwar! wrote:Errrm, what? Platoon Command Squads are most Certainly Mandatory (assuming that's what PCS means)

Mandatory if you want to take Infantry Platoons, hvy weap teams, Spec weapon teams or conscripts...

But if you plan on filling your Troops with just Veteran squads...I don't think you need you need to have a PCS.

Gwar! wrote:oh, and Hotshot Lasguns is yet another nugget that shows GW are moving away from being a games company to a company that peddles crap to kiddies, because "Hell" is a bad word (Compare ANY chaos 2nd ed fluff to today's and you will see what I mean)
Ah who am I kidding GW hasn't given a gak about vet games for years now. I don't know why everyone is so surprised tbh

BrookM wrote:And "hot-shot" is a horrible word! What's wrong with Hellgun all of the sudden?

Hot shot lasgun was the original name for the storm trooper's weapon, long long ago.

alarmingrick wrote:more on topic, i haven't heard much talk of people using Yarrick. does anybody feel like it's time for him to make his dramatic comeback?

Hell-fething-yes! You seen the rules he's got? A T4 human, 3 wounds, Eternal Warrior, re-roll successful To Wounds against him and he can get back up on a 3+!!! He's finally Yarrick again, not that insulting T3/Medallion Crimson Yarrick-Lite from the last Codex.

Him and Straken should team up!

Gwar! wrote:oh, and Hotshot Lasguns is yet another nugget that shows GW are moving away from being a games company to a company that peddles crap to kiddies, because "Hell" is a bad word (Compare ANY chaos 2nd ed fluff to today's and you will see what I mean)

Oh no! GW is moving away from their awesome darkness by returning to the 2nd Edition name for the gun! This return to the brightly painted light of 2nd Edition will not stand!

If only GW was brave enough to return to the darkness of the 2nd Edition fluff, as visible in the old 2nd Edition Chaos Codex!

Shep wrote:Whenever a new codex comes out there are people who deserve pity.

In the IG community, they are....

1. People who were smart and industrious and put lasguns on their sergeants. I was spared this fate by playing vostroyans and being too lazy to alter the metal sergeants. But the guys that have lasgun sarges are boned and that sucks.

2. People who used other wargear options that are WSYWIG and do not appear in the new book.

3. Warrior weapons players deserve your pity. On so many levels

You forgot "people who have heavy weapons modeled on separate bases" and "people whose veteran squads have pistols."

The removal of wargear options is really mind-boggling, given that they're simultaneously denying some models the ability to take a rifle while denying other models the ability to not take a rifle.

Rangerrob wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Errrm, what? Platoon Command Squads are most Certainly Mandatory (assuming that's what PCS means)

Mandatory if you want to take Infantry Platoons, hvy weap teams, Spec weapon teams or conscripts...

But if you plan on filling your Troops with just Veteran squads...I don't think you need you need to have a PCS.

I see now - Vets are a Troops choice for the FoC by themselves. I'm just so used to thinking platoon wise. Thanks for clearing things up.

And I totally agree with everyone about the wargear - I have a handful of metal Catachan Lts with Bolters. I can't even cut them off bc the ammo runs all around the arm and onto the body.

http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Imperial_Guard_Catachan_Lieutenant.gif

LAME

halonachos wrote:The vox is like a radio system but the person operating it has a microphone to speak into in order to tell them what's happening.

Maybe the Vox innards are just a psyker in a jar and the antenna's that are attached are there to just confuse the enemy.

madmen wrote:I see now - Vets are a Troops choice for the FoC by themselves. I'm just so used to thinking platoon wise. Thanks for clearing things up.

And I totally agree with everyone about the wargear - I have a handful of metal Catachan Lts with Bolters. I can't even cut them off bc the ammo runs all around the arm and onto the body.

http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Imperial_Guard_Catachan_Lieutenant.gif

LAME

Nah..Your fine...Bolters and Bolt Pistols are still availble to officers...just no Storm Bolters.

Just looking for some clarification. A vox simply lets me reroll failed orders and I need to be within 6 inches of the platoon officer or 12 inches of the company officer to even receive officers, correct?