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hmmm can creed give scout to himself?

he could outflank with the chimera

schrag wrote:Uber HQ of too much squishy
..............
total pts: 805

everyone has FNP
20 wounds int he squad

i wanna play it just for fun one time.

That is just..... words fail me. That costs more points than a Warhound Titan in Apocalypse .

schrag wrote:hmmm can creed give scout to himself?

he could outflank with the chimera

Yes he can give scout to his unit, but he wouldn't give it to any IC's who join the unit afterwards (so no Commissars etc)

A-P wrote:

schrag wrote:Uber HQ of too much squishy
..............
total pts: 805

everyone has FNP
20 wounds int he squad

i wanna play it just for fun one time.

That is just..... words fail me. That costs more points than a Warhound Titan in Apocalypse .

Naw, a Warhound with the cheapest weapons works out to 810 Points. So Close, but no Cigar!

Does crackshot ignore cover saves?

Pask's Crack Shot is nothing like the Eldar one.

It doesn't BTW

Gwar! wrote:Naw, a Warhound with the cheapest weapons works out to 810 Points. So Close, but no Cigar!

( Gets Apocalypse rulebook from shelf and checks ) Nah, page 125: Warhound Scout Titan 750 points with weapons. Were you perhaps thinking about some Imperial Armour version?

Yeah, before Apoc warhounds had to pay for their guns.

hmm wonder what happens with both nork and kell...do they fight over who jumps in front of creed?

El facepalmo. Yeah I'm thinking the IA one, not the Apoc One.

schrag wrote:hmm wonder what happens with both nork and kell...do they fight over who jumps in front of creed?

I would assume the Controling player chooses who takes the wound, same as if they had 2 Bodyguards

Gwar! wrote:El facepalmo. Yeah I'm thinking the IA one, not the Apoc One.

Thought so. No worries, happens to the best of us .

If you're looking for ways to make your heavy and special weapon squads take orders more reliably, wouldnt Kell be more of an auto-include than Creed?

id say take both. slightly point heavy but ld 10 on all order checks sounds like a solid plan to me.

People are forgetting advisors. I think anyone who doesn't take Master of Ordnance is nuts. For 30 points, you get a S9 AP3 Large Ordnance Blast per turn that he can fire from a chimera. And you can have two of them in the army.

Command Squad: 50
Master of Ordnance:30
Chimera: 55

This basically turns into a 125 point Leman Russ that can give orders.

Kasrkinlegion wrote:People are forgetting advisors. I think anyone who doesn't take Master of Ordnance is nuts. For 30 points, you get a S9 AP3 Large Ordnance Blast per turn that he can fire from a chimera. And you can have two of them in the army.

I was right there with yah...until I heard that the shot ALWAYS deviates at least 2d6...more if you are out of LOS.

For 30 points this is so worth taking for horde armies alone. When some guy has 20 orks spread out across 20 inches of space, you can't miss.

I was thinking, say we had a tricked out CHQ, and we've been hit with a bunch of shots, some of which negate our save or are instant-death, and we've got 4 guys plus the JO, one with plasma, 1 with GL, 2 with flashlights, and the officer with pistol/chainsword. Now, the squad has been wounded by, say, 3 Armor-save negating shots and 3 instant death. Now, by using wound allocation we could first slap on 2 instant-death wounds on to the 2 regular guys and another on, say, the GL guy. With the "Look Out...Arrrg! rule, couldn't we put an extra save-negating rules on the same guys who will be dead already (the 2 reg. guys and the GL guy)?

Really hope this makes sense, but I'm too tired...

Rangerrob wrote:I was right there with yah...until I heard that the shot ALWAYS deviates at least 2d6...more if you are out of LOS.

Although this may get FAQ'd.. a Mortar in that squad only costs 5 points. Multiple barrage!

Same trick as the Griffon/Colossus

Neil wrote:

Rangerrob wrote:I was right there with yah...until I heard that the shot ALWAYS deviates at least 2d6...more if you are out of LOS.

Although this may get FAQ'd.. a Mortar in that squad only costs 5 points. Multiple barrage!

Same trick as the Griffon/Colossus

omg...that is awesome. Cheesy as hell, but awesome. Yeah that one will get FAQ'ed. Eat your heart out Tau...The guard got a Marker Mortar.

Marker Mortar... I like it!!!!!!!!!

i dont think a shot that scatters so much is worth 30 pts. according to warseer "Shot scatters 2d6 on a "hit" & 3d6 on a arrow, deduct BS if within LoS." too much 4 my taste when i could just blow them up with a LR. also you have to accept the fact that you may hit your own men. its a cool idea but with too much scatter 4 me.

Neil wrote:

Rangerrob wrote:I was right there with yah...until I heard that the shot ALWAYS deviates at least 2d6...more if you are out of LOS.

Although this may get FAQ'd.. a Mortar in that squad only costs 5 points. Multiple barrage!

Same trick as the Griffon/Colossus

It's not quite as accurate as the Griffon/Colossus but it is technically legal. Just anticipate your opponent getting red around the gills. Also ensure that the mortar is closer to the enemy than the Officer of the Fleet or your ranging shot will be the big and wide-ranging ordnance barrage (see BRB p. 32).

I also expect this one to get FAQd. It's simply too evil.

Mellon wrote:A Valkyrie costs £34.25, The Vendetta forgeworld upgrade kit will probably cost £11.75 (that's what the tank upgrade kits costs). So thats £46 for a Vendetta, roughly £15 per TL lascannon. Multiply by 6-9. It means that the rich kids (and the grownups with a lot of spendable income) will get much better armies than the kids with workingclass parents. And it makes me wish I could buy some GW-stock, because they will make some serious money the second quarter of -09.

Valks cost £26 if you bother to look somewhere other than your local GW.

*phew*

And speaking of cheap Valkyries, I just got mine for £29.75 each, £4.50 cheaper than standard UK cost and, when compared to prices here, AUD$34 cheaper than prices in my country. That's a 35% saving on each Valk I ordered, all thanks to the fine folks at Maelstrom.

It's fun making big orders like that.

Silly question.. didn't see this when I was looking at the rules... but, does your CCS or PCS need to have a vox in it, in order for other squads to be able to use their voxes to reroll orders? Or does a vox in a cmd squad just mean that cmd squad can reroll if they need to?

Both the command and ordered unit require the vox caster for the re-roll.

I think I know why the vox gets a re roll and the distance stinks the first order is yelled and the re roll is them using the vox to confirm the order.

It's a loudspeaker. That's what that large hemisphere on the vox is. I don't get why people are talking about stringed pairs of tin cans.

Voxes are boxes with foxes that talkses. Of course they aren't going to work well over distances.

stonefox wrote:It's a loudspeaker. That's what that large hemisphere on the vox is. I don't get why people are talking about stringed pairs of tin cans.

The voxcaster isn't a loudspeaker. It is a sophisticated and reliable communications array that is connected to the Tactical command net via tight beam transmitters and a series of signal decoders.

A loudspeaker would logically allow your voice to be heard from further away. Because it would make your voice louder.

My Cadians use pigeons instead of voxes. Sadly the Foxes get into the boxes where I keep my Voxes and eat them :(