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So what do you think of the list as it stands now?

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Edit the OP so people can have a look?

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I have been thinking seriously about dropping both Lysander and Calgar in exchange for Vulkan and a generic Epistolary class Librarian. The Librarian would be armed with null zone and one other psychic power. This would free up some points. As deFl0 has stated Vulkan master crafts the thunder hammer and the null zone would shut down the nobs' invulnerable saves. The psychic hood would be a great counter versus lash spam. I'm not sure where the extra points would go... suggestions are welcome.

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Five terminators charging out of a landraider equals 15 attacks... 7 hit then add in 4 more for the rerolls... 11 S8 attacks, assume nine wound. The nobs make 3 saves then fail 2 of these due to the null zone. So that is 8 unsaved wounds, one of which is assigned to the warboss... so 7 dead nobs.

The nobs and warboss strike back with around 19 power klaw attacks... 12 hit and 10 wound... the terminators fail 3 saves and win combat by 4 wounds, so the nobs test on a leadership of 6 with the reroll. There is a decent chance they will break and then cannot regroup. If they do pass their leadership test then there is left the warboss and two nobs left versus two assault terminators. The terminators have four attacks, three of which hit and kill the two nobs plus the warboss takes another wound. The warboss and nobs have 10 attacks, assume 6 hit and five wound. Probably both terminators die.

Going on this math hammer I would first add another terminator to both squads to make sure they win combat and most likely break the warboss the first turn.

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Without Calgar and Lysander and adding Vulkan and a Librarian, you have 1690 Pts, and you could add 2 Land Speeders with Multi Melta/Heavy Flamer and Multi Meltas on the LRC for a grand total of 1850 Pts.

targetawg wrote:
LRC moves MAXIMUM 12 inches. Then the terminators get out within TWO INCHES of the transport and have a SIX inch charge range.
12 + 2 + 6 = 20.

Just a minor edit that in NO way changes the outcome of your arguement...

The effective assualt range of terminators disembarking from a LRC is 21.5.

This is because the models base does not have to be completely within the 2" radius of the access point. Instead the base just needs to be touching the 2" radius. Check out the Disembarking Figure in the BRB page 67. The caption says that "all of the space marines have disembarked within 2" of the transport's access point". Looking at the figure, though, you can see that the space marine's (the one holding the missle launcher) base is not wholly inside the 2" radius, but instead the edge of the base is just touching the 2" radius. A similar figure is presented for embarking on page 66. Therefore, when diembarking, only one edge of the base must be within 2" for the deployment to be legal.

Therefore the effective assault range is 21.5" for the termintators: 12" for the LRC movement, 2" disembark from one edge of terminators base, 1.5" for the terminator base itself, and 6" for charging.

Small clarification but an important one nevertheless.

My favorite version of the landspeeder is the Typhoon with either a multi melta or heavy bolter.

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