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Donkey Cannon is pretty funny if you you playing Monty Python's Warhammer where the British Donkey Cannon is the best weapon in the game followed by the Fench Cow Catapult.

I actually get how you get a Donkey Cannon if you abbreviate Assault Cannon with the first 3 letters it equals donkey. So Donkey Cannon.

So what deployment was it? I interpreted split table to be pitched battle because it couldn't be dawn of war because your land raiders and his oblits start off the table and walk on so its not possible for dawn of war as stated above either.

Everything started on the table for both armies. After reading the rules I do see we both made a mistake in regards to the deployment. Oh well... looks like I made an arse out of myself.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Hey Beerfart I was wondering if you would be up for a game on Vassal. You seem to think you are good.

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I dont have the time or inclination to teach a 13 YO how to play 40k....unless he's like my 6 YO and knows how to listen. 7 pages rife with people telling you how ludicrous this army is tells me you dont know how. Besides, with you challenging every single person who tells you that your army is crap and that you've got no idea how 40k works...I'm sure your card is full.

Your batreps are either...

1) BS

or

2)against clueless people who have no idea how to use the tools availiable to them.

...neither of which are any proof of the viability of this army against Nobs or Lash.

"lash army deploys second and is within charge range of terminators in LR's" Regardless of what deployment, rules, objective, time of day, scent of air freshener, your opponent made a completely STUPID mistake if this really happened. (which I doubt)

How does this prove that your ridiculous list can compete against a competant Lash player?

Your discussion is the worst form of tripe and you have ZERO capability to listen to what people are telling you. This entire thread is you posting ridiculously stupid batreps and defending your list on the basis of their performance in those particular situations.

This thread is indeed a joke.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Everything started on the table for both armies. After reading the rules I do see we both made a mistake in regards to the deployment. Oh well... looks like I made an arse out of myself.

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YOU? NOOOO, not GBF.

A terribly elementary rule....and you cannot even get that right....and you still argue.

(apparently neither you nor your opponent have the slightest incling what "competetive play" really is. You need to both go and read the rulebook a bit before you go on any more about how 'good' this army is)

Edit: Left the post so it doesn't look like I nefariously deleted a mean post, but it can be ignored, as GBF already man'd up and admitted that he made a mistake, so theres no more point in dragging out how the bat rep wasn't possible.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Thanks Clay. I really appreciate your posting here.

Like I said Clay is an official judge for the GW GT circuit and has years of experience under his belt.

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I don't see what difference this makes. He's dead right in what he says, he said 17 inches, if you check my post, its the exact number I posted.

Clay's response (although helpful and fully right) still has nothing to do with the fact that you're completely wrong.

1) You stated you played the split table scenario, now you're saying you played spearhead.
2) Even in spearhead a land raider at best can be a bit over 17 inches from the absolute closest point in your opponents deployment zone. You stated he deployed "like a puss" in his corner, against his edge.
3) So, in order for you to make your charge (20 inch maximum), he'd of had to of been within 2-3 inches of the exact closest point towards you, not on his board edge as you stated.
4) It would be completely impossible to hit multiple units given this tight window of a charge narrowly, narrowly, making it in, considering oblit's are on 40mm bases and DP's are on monstrous creature bases, they simply couldn't even come close to fitting.

The point is no matter how much you sidestep the issue, your batrep is either A) Fake or B) you cheated

To evaluate this, lets examine the reasoning

1) Why would you fake a batrep?

Answer: Possibly to impress people on the internet with your list

2) Why would you cheat, and then post proof of it on the internet?

Answer: You wouldn't

You might as well just admit it at this point, every one of your bat reps have been like this, and people have called you on all of them over the weeks. I'm not even quite sure why you're so concerned with people thinking your list is good or that you're a good player, I mean, we're on the internet after all, you'll never meet any of us in all likelihood.

And if you'll note, I didn't have to resort to name calling or anything of the sort in this, as I'm attempting to keep it civil.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Hey Beerfart I was wondering if you would be up for a game on Vassal. You seem to think you are good.

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Beerfart wrote:I
Superfails and Terminators both move forward 10", he tells me I'm a coward for not charging them.

Green Blow Fly wrote:My opponent sets up like a puss hugging his table edge.

Apparently, we've already played....read my battle report. I stomped you.

I hope you feel better now.



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targetawg wrote:

1) You stated you played the split table scenario, now you're saying you played spearhead.
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I dont think he OR his opponent know what scenario they were playing....much less what game.

Clay thank you for making the only useful post in about the last 2 pages of this thread (there may be one or two others that I forgot, but the number is very small).

I have re-arrived at this post late
and have decided not to plow throught 4 more pages of hate.
So let me present my ideas to you
and maybe provide some insight too.
It starts with a dropping of lysander's Fist
and so begins the improvement of this list
With 200 points you still need a leader
but perhaps Cassius will be the new nob eater
I need not be cassius, it doesn't really matter
But a chaplain is needed, to enhance the blood splatter
The re-roll of hits on the charge is most handy
and with the extra points you may find it most dandy
to allocate the points in ways that may please
and give you more options, more victories to seize...


Thank you

Some of us were thinking about dropping Marneus in exchange for Tiggy... Still expensive but frees up some points.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Some of us were thinking about dropping Marneus in exchange for Tiggy... Still expensive but frees up some points.

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But doesn't Marneus really help you? and what would you do with 20 points?

I need Lysander to insta kill war bosses on bikes. Tiggy seems the most useful since has access to all the psychic powers and there is a decent possibility he could force a warboss as well. He also frees up enough points to kit each LRC with a multi-melta.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I need Lysander to insta kill war bosses on bikes. Tiggy seems the most useful since has access to all the psychic powers and there is a decent possibility he could force a warboss as well. He also frees up enough points to kit each LRC with a multi-melta.

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Ahh I'm stupid.... (not being sarcastic here) didn't see the lack of MM on the raiders.

I still like the chaplain idea, as a charging unit of those guys with a chappy essentially doubles the amount of attacks that they have, however, I doo see the merits of Tigger.

Any other sweeping changes that you were thinking of?

Lysander helps a lot more than Marneus.

If you want to free up more points you can run a normal Epistolary Librarian instead of Tiggy. Obviously, Tiggy is supreme versatility compared to a vanilla Librarian, but you will probably be using the same 2-3 spells over and over (I'd go with Gate of Infinity and Null Zone most likely).

A question about Nob biker units... are they typically led by IC's

Never played against orks, and sure haven't even seen a nob biker army so forgive my ignorance

Shrike78 wrote:A question about Nob biker units... are they typically led by IC's

Never played against orks, and sure haven't even seen a nob biker army so forgive my ignorance

Yes, in order for a unit of Nob Bikes to be taken as troops, a Warboos with a Bike must be taken. Typical Nob Bikes armies run 2x biker bosses that join 2x massive units of nob bikes with unique equipment on each nob to abuse the new wound allocation rules (ie so each Nob can take a wound before you have to remove a model, which mean you need to do 10 (or 12 if you count the boss too) wounds before you reduce the unit's combat effectiveness)

Nob bikers are typically led by mounted warbosses... so yes Lysander is crucial for the purpose of killing warbosses since is hammer is augmented to S10.

There has also been the suggestion to field Vulkan for the master crafted hammers... One problem with this one is it's already been done to death.

If I make a change it will be to include a Librarian. I was actually going to use Tiggy in the last game but forgot to bring an appropriate model. If he can use up to two or three psychic powers per player turn there is a good chance he could force weapon the warboss with the S6 spell... and the fact that his force weapon is master crafted.

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AH-HA!!!!!

Got it... I think

take calgar, replace Lysander with Chaplain, replace terminator squads with honor guard squads, and pimp out the champion.

This gives you 3 guys who is very good at taking out ICs namely clagar and the 2 champion guys.

The problem, of course is that they are less durable, and aren't as killy (which I'm not underestimating) but, they can possibly deal with your biker bosses, and the one with the banner will kill lots.

This is probably a bad idea though...

I need the hammers to kill the nobs. Relic blades woundd nobs on 3+ and don't insta kill either.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I need the hammers to kill the jobs. Relic blades wiu d nobs on 3+ and don't insta kill either.

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how many wounds on them there nobs?

2 apiece.

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I stand corrected... but I stick by my chaplain guns, I'm not sure that the benefits of tigger, or a libby, outweigh the significant advantages of the chaplain in addition to the points you will save (cough) 125 (cough)

eh I'd run Vulkan before I ran and Chappy... Vulkan mastercrafts every thunderhammer in the army.

Tiggy provides some other mode of movement that isn't god awful slow if the LRCs die, as well as great utility from the other psychic powers (null zone, a couple of assorted situationally good ranged attacks, etc).

Shrike - man that was awesome.

Ill still dont get how donkey cannon was desrived.. I looked real hard but nothing.

A libarian in terminator armor (although this is a slight one trick pony, And its fair-enough tiggy cant do this) can gate in and then use vortex of doom (Hes got the relentless USR from the termie armor) for a large amount of str10 death.

Do I assume even a epistolary can only choose two psychic powers? Question would then be, are gate & vortex (or gate & MotA) good enough for what you want to do aswell as saving you X points or does the everything that tiggy can do (But no relentless!) provide better support points wise.

Actually master crafting the hammers is more beneficial if a combat goes more than one turn... which can indeed happen. The problem with the chaplain is he good for one charge and is then insta killed in close combat by a power klaw. The other characters don't have to charge to derive their benefits necessarily... Vulkan or librarian in general.

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Donkey cannon was derived from an abbreviated version of ass(ault) cannon.

I like Tiggy since he actually has a good chance of killing a warboss with his force weapon since it is master crafted and he can boost his strength to S6. If he charges the squad then careful positioning can keep him out of base contact with the nobs. I think Tiggy also makes the army better balanced overall against all comers.

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Beerfart,

It is clear that you don't care for GBF and you think that this thread isn't of any value. You have made your point that you believe GBF isn't playing against quality opponents and/or he doesn't know the rules.

However, this is his army list thread and there are some people who are willing to give him advice and/or discus his list and games.

If this is something that bothers you, please refrain from posting further in this thread, or even go as far as to put GBF on your ignore list.

However constantly hurling insults at the guy in his own thread is unacceptable.


And GBF, I'm leaving this thread open for you because you're using it kind of like a blog, but you need to refrain from firing back at anyone who insults you if you want it to remain open. Put Beerfart on 'ignore' if it will help.

Thank you Yak. I will follow your advice.

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this forum is turning into a chat room not somthing about an army list