Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm sure every psyker in the galaxy would be called a witch by someone.

The Emperor? Kharn think's he's a witch. Kill Maim Burn.

::EDIT:: Wait, why the hell are talking about witches?

Agreed on the "I'm sure every psyker in the galaxy would be called a witch by someone."
We are talking about witches because... JD21290 thinks that witch hunters in 40k means that 40k is racist, which I think is silly.

Orkeosaurus wrote:
Wiccans! Feth me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of Scientology, Dude, at least it's got aliens.

Watch it heretic, I'm a Wiccan (pagan)



(And no I'm not taking offence.. )

We are talking about witches because... JD21290 thinks that witch hunters in 40k means that 40k is racist, which I think is silly.

i cant leave this dead now can i?

ok, lets make a start.

1: you say about me name calling yet you started off by insulting my english, which in turn i reply with such a post, so its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.

2: please point out where i said witch hunters are RACIST.
please do not bother to either comment or insult me if you do not read my posts.
i made it pretty clear.

3: silly would be a unit of 5 guardsmen running at a unit of 12 genestealers.
everyone has an opinion, and an opinion is never right or wrong.

ph34r wrote:Agreed on the "I'm sure every psyker in the galaxy would be called a witch by someone."
We are talking about witches because... JD21290 thinks that witch hunters in 40k means that 40k is racist, which I think is silly.

I thought that was aliens?

AdrianG wrote:Watch it heretic, I'm a Wiccan (pagan)



(And no I'm not taking offence.. )

Sorry, I guess I'm just more of a fan of sci-fi than fantasy.

So, just to totally derail the derailed train wreck that is this thread, if I had a Guard Army painted up as a Nazi army, but with the Iron Cross's on the Armbands, would you care? WITH FREE MASONS! Happy now?

How did that comment derail it?

You should have posted about Free Masons or something.

::EDIT:: Better. Personally, I think that the Free Masons did 9/11.

Fine then! Happy now?

JD21290 wrote:1: you say about me name calling yet you started off by insulting my english, which in turn i reply with such a post, so its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.

I never insulted your English, I said that you interpreted me wrong once, and then you go and start insulting my name and trying to discredit me based on that.

2: please point out where i said witch hunters are RACIST.
please do not bother to either comment or insult me if you do not read my posts.
i made it pretty clear.

"most un-PC army: witch hunters.
afterall, they hunt witches."
"witch hunters burn them all the time, hows that for PC?"
Sorry, you are right, you did not say witch hunters are racist. You said that they are not politically correct. My points still stand, just replace racist with politically correct if you will.
EDIT: here you go, "We are talking about witches because... JD21290 thinks that witch hunters in 40k means that 40k is not PC, which I think is silly."

3: silly would be a unit of 5 guardsmen running at a unit of 12 genestealers.
everyone has an opinion, and an opinion is never right or wrong.

Yup, you can't have a wrong opinion, and I am allowed to think that yours is silly just as much as you are allowed to think mine is.

Jaric wrote:And when I said a German ww2 army, I did mean at least one unit of Waffen SS. They did fight afterall. And I never said I want to teach people, I said for personal pleasure (and a slight OCD slant) I wanted an army that was historically accurate.

The Waffen-SS didn't wear armbands in combat either.


And I know you didn't say you wanted to teach people per se, but someone mentioned something about how historical armies can be beneficial for keeping history alive, etc. I should have worded that bit a little more generally.

1: it was more a conflict of interestes, i admit i am wrong there and i do apologise for it.

2: this is 40k we are talking about, mass genocide, races being wiped out in mass exterminations, nothing is PC, but i was showing a small example of something.


3: if we all thought the same it would be a pretty boring world


anyway, i have to go now since the missus is complaining she wants to go to bed, so im off for the night, if theres anything more could you just PM it to me please?

JD21290 wrote:anyway, i have to go now since the missus is complaining she wants to go to bed, so im off for the night, if theres anything more could you just PM it to me please?

I guess I just interpreted PC to be that, in 40k everything is PC since it is its own universe, and putting our own non PC stuff from history into it does not make it okay/PC, and you interpreted it your way. We just see it different ways.
I am glad that we can end the discussion, I see no value in continuing it.

In all my years gaming, and when I worked at a games store, I've seen a total of seven imperial guard and space marine armies painted up to look like nazis.
Out of those seven players, all but one were white supremacists.
If i showed up to play a game and a potential opponent started taking nazi looking models out for a game that didn't involve historical nazis, i would probably decline to play them and, yes, feel a bit uncomfortable.
(Of course, I'm also gay and nazis tend to dislike us sodomites anyway.)

Hordini wrote:Malfred asked something similar earlier and no one really gave an answer, and I'm curious about this myself:

If you're really interested in the actual history and want your army to be some kind of teaching tool or something, why don't you just play a historical game like Flames of War, instead of trying to transplant something historical into 40k that doesn't belong there in the first place?

Because he wouldn't get the same response that this desperate cry for attention is garnering.

Bookwrack I already stated why im not playing FOW. Try to keep up as opposed to being useless in this conversation.

Hordini wrote:

Jaric wrote:And when I said a German ww2 army, I did mean at least one unit of Waffen SS. They did fight afterall. And I never said I want to teach people, I said for personal pleasure (and a slight OCD slant) I wanted an army that was historically accurate.

The Waffen-SS didn't wear armbands in combat either.


And I know you didn't say you wanted to teach people per se, but someone mentioned something about how historical armies can be beneficial for keeping history alive, etc. I should have worded that bit a little more generally.

See this is why I said im starting this in May to give myself time to do the research.

Ulf and by Frazzled you are both being PC up to the point of being fascist.

I think they're just getting caught up in the moment. Clearly the army ulf describes is bad... But don't miss the temptation to be a fascist... It's encouraged in our society, so long as you're "right" about it, ie. PC.

If somebody comes in with a questionable army, it's not something that needs to come to blows. Give the guy a chance. Maybe he's a re-enactor. Maybe he's a cool person who just has a different outlook. If he's a douchebag, you'll find out soon enough.

The problem here is the rush to get into a fist fight, or shouting match, or just to presume to need to educate people on their "mistakes," and to be telling anyone and everyone how they should live. I'm no pacifist. I fully endorse the notion that it's up to the good folks to make sure the bad folks don't have their way. But it's not about looking for people giving you an excuse to punch them. It's about recognizing when people have given you no excuse NOT to punch them (or yell at them, or preach at them, or whatever).

Honestly, I don't think anybody here is running around punching people out. What's really going on, is a manifestation of political correctness. When something bad happens, say when Mike Vick is fighting pitbulls, people line up to say how outraged they are, to show everyone that they're SO moral, they can't even contain their hatred for immorality. Unfortunately, in doing so they demonstrate a lack of perspective, self-control, and ultimately a lack of genuine morality. Their morality is not their own internal compass, something for themselves. It's a display, something they do to elicit approval from others. Do the right thing because YOU will hate yourself for not doing it, not because somebody else will.

Don't play by the BS rules of political correctness.

but when you bring things like red arm bands and swastikas into your army it's not just an idea or a theme, it's you actually making a nazi army in 40k with that explicit purpose.

I think there's a big difference when the swastika shows up. Honestly, it still doesn't bother me, and I'd support the guy's right to do it, but that starts to get into a place where "you asked for it." I'd still say the guy screaming about it is a crybaby, but hey, they're out there. If you didn't want to get into periodic arguments with morons, you can't put swastikas out there.

At that point, one has to ask "did you WANT to get into fights with idiots?" Cause that's not really cool either.

To me the replacement of a swastika with, say, an aquilla, is an important thing to do. It almost removes they mystery. They're NOT Nazis, they just look like them, but they're explicitly not, because their iconography is different. It's not that the swastikas are hidden, they're explicitly replaced.

But that's me. Might work differently in the minds of others.

"When something bad happens, say when Mike Vick is fighting pitbulls..."

Just had an brainstorm. Need some 40k scale dobermans or german shepards...mmm what would the unit count as?

Release the hounds!!!

Phryxis wrote:

but when you bring things like red arm bands and swastikas into your army it's not just an idea or a theme, it's you actually making a nazi army in 40k with that explicit purpose.

I think there's a big difference when the swastika shows up. Honestly, it still doesn't bother me, and I'd support the guy's right to do it, but that starts to get into a place where "you asked for it." I'd still say the guy screaming about it is a crybaby, but hey, they're out there. If you didn't want to get into periodic arguments with morons, you can't put swastikas out there.

At that point, one has to ask "did you WANT to get into fights with idiots?" Cause that's not really cool either.

I was almost going to applaud you for a in depth, lengthy post, but then in the end you just degenerate into calling those that do not agree with you idiots and crybabies. I had hope for one moment that you could put your point of view out there without insults. Disappointing.
EDIT: to clarify, I don't think that anybody would actually fight about it, or should, but that doesn't mean you are more right by calling them a moron.
DOUBLE EDIT: My post was probably more harsh than it should have been, but whatever. I feel by now that this thread has been done to death, and I am going to leave for greener pastures.