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ph34r wrote:

mattyboy22 wrote:Not racist? Purge the alien anyone?....

Aliens are not real, there is no alien that would take offense to that.

Aliens are real, as Alien technically means foreigner, outsider, someone from another family, and non-native plant(semantics are win!).

I do get what you're saying, though, even if you meant it in the Extra-terrestrial definition, which is only 1/5 the definition of the word Alien.

i couldnt resist here.


want proof aliens are real? track down robbie williams, he is currently chasing the little green men


most un-PC army: witch hunters.
afterall, they hunt witches.

Platuan4th wrote:I do get what you're saying, though, even if you meant it in the Extra-terrestrial definition, which is only 1/5 the definition of the word Alien.

I know what alien actually means, but it is pretty damn obvious that in 40k they mean space aliens. Things that are not human.

ph34r wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:I do get what you're saying, though, even if you meant it in the Extra-terrestrial definition, which is only 1/5 the definition of the word Alien.

I know what alien actually means, but it is pretty damn obvious that in 40k they mean space aliens. Things that are not human.

Relax, ph34r, it was a joke.

I agree on not using swastikas, it would dilute it's existence as a 40k army.

Not a matter of "the army you're bringing into 40k was ran by Nazis" as much as it is "you're bringing a real-life army into 40k".

No fun trying to a play a game in the grim darkness of the far future if people keep bringing armies from the grim darkness of the recent past. Or from another setting. Same thing if someone brought a counts-as Bretonnian army. Doesn't really belong. It has to fit in the universe.

JD21290 wrote:i couldnt resist here.


want proof aliens are real? track down robbie williams, he is currently chasing the little green men


most un-PC army: witch hunters.
afterall, they hunt witches.

That reminds me of the woman who exploded on one of my former co-workers at the Barnes because they had some kids/silly books next to some Wicca/magic books or something on a Halloween table and it was offensive to her because she was Wiccan and Halloween is a very important religious event for Wiccans and shouldn't be marginalized or taught to children that's it's fun and just an event to dress up and get candy.

thus showing my point plat

now, if a few forum members went out burning white witches it wouldnt be very PC would it?

yet witch hunters burn them all the time, hows that for PC?

Platuan4th wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:I do get what you're saying, though, even if you meant it in the Extra-terrestrial definition, which is only 1/5 the definition of the word Alien.

I know what alien actually means, but it is pretty damn obvious that in 40k they mean space aliens. Things that are not human.

Relax, ph34r, it was a joke.

I know you weren't being super-serious. I'm not angry or on edge or anything, I just want to clarify that I do indeed know my English and am not being confused. No harm done.

Well 40k witches are psykers...maybe thats the difference?

I was thinking of keeping the red armband, but with the aquila instead of the swaz. Maybe thats the line.

jaric, define a psyker.

Jaric wrote:Well 40k witches are psykers...maybe thats the difference?

Yeah, in real life witches, or wiccans, or whatever, are just people that have a particular belief system. Witches in 40k is a term used to describe psykers, who in the grim darkness of the far future are very dangerous and can result in the deaths of hundreds or millions by themselves, and/or result in an entire planet being destroyed in exterminatus, if they are let run free.
EDIT: and psykers are those that channel the powers of chaos and the warp, sometimes when controlled very strictly they can use their terrible powers for good, most often they would cause the deaths of many.

Platuan4th wrote:That reminds me of the woman who exploded on one of my former co-workers at the Barnes because they had some kids/silly books next to some Wicca/magic books or something on a Halloween table and it was offensive to her because she was Wiccan and Halloween is a very important religious event for Wiccans and shouldn't be marginalized or taught to children that's it's fun and just an event to dress up and get candy.

Wiccans! Feth me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of Scientology, Dude, at least it's got aliens.

Wait I just thought of something that could change this whole colour scheme/theme debate:

Is a ww2 German colour scheme grim/dark enough for the 40k universe?

I mean no chains, no skulls...for an evil army its not very grim/dark...

Yeah, in real life witches, or wiccans, or whatever, are just people that have a particular belief system. Witches in 40k is a term used to describe psykers,

i want to call this as BS.
so a psyker is a witch now?
so, if a brother marine called the chapter libby a witch im guessing it wouldnt go down to well would it?

wiccan is as much a belief as it is a religion, meaning it should be respected equally to all other religions.

Platuan4th wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:I do get what you're saying, though, even if you meant it in the Extra-terrestrial definition, which is only 1/5 the definition of the word Alien.

I know what alien actually means, but it is pretty damn obvious that in 40k they mean space aliens. Things that are not human.

Relax, ph34r, it was a joke.

As was my post.

JD21290 wrote:jaric, define a psyker.

Not exactly aimed at me, but I figure Chris Angel is as close as we got.

Jaric wrote:Well 40k witches are psykers...maybe thats the difference?

Several Wiccan subsects believe that their "Magick"(with a K, so you know it must be true!) is derived from Psychic sources.

Edited quote.

Jaric wrote:So with the advent of the new Guard book, I am going to start a guard army. I was planning on painting the army with the colours of Germany circa ww2. Purlely an historically accurate colour scheme, no swastiks or ...?

I think if your original post had been about this much and a poll, there probably wouldn't be anywhere near as much frothing at the mouth occurring.

If you did an IG force using IG vehicles in Wermacht camo etc with (as had been suggested) Imperial Eagles, then I can't see the problem.

The full version of the post I think made a rod for your back.

Purge the Alien is not racist, it's specist.

Oh my gawd, is this thread still going strong! GTFO, buy a life! xD

Kill the Mutant would have been a better example.

Poor muties!

JD21290 wrote:

Yeah, in real life witches, or wiccans, or whatever, are just people that have a particular belief system. Witches in 40k is a term used to describe psykers,

i want to call this as BS.
so a psyker is a witch now?
so, if a brother marine called the chapter libby a witch im guessing it wouldnt go down to well would it?

wiccan is as much a belief as it is a religion, meaning it should be respected equally to all other religions.

Belief system, religion, whatever. I did not mean that it was of lesser importance than if I had used the word religion.
I didn't say that psyker = witch. I said that the psykers which the witch hunters hunt are witches (logical, huh).

Orkeosaurus wrote:Kill the Mutant would have been a better example.

Yes, this would have been a better example, but in 40k mutants are dangerous, often chaos tainted people that are a threat to the imperium and to mankind.

mattyboy22 wrote:As was my post.

People in this thread have been seriously using logic similar to your joke logic to say that 40k is racist as it is. I can't read minds, I can't tell your one joking post from a sea of serious posts with the same reasoning.

Posting in an epic troll post.

OP gets 10/10.

Sorry ph34r, I'll try to use more emoticons next time.

Witches in 40k is a term used to describe psykers,

no, thats what you said.
and nice edit


phear, 40k is full of non-PC stuff, it never will be PC.
infact, im sure no one here could go an entire day, and not say a single thing thats slightly un-PC.

in the grim darkness there was only PC!

everything these days has to be vetted before its said or done due to the large amount of things that can now be found offensive, allthough going back 20 years or so only around a quarter were.

I've already had my say about what I think about the idea in general, and that it's in poor taste, but I also see a lot of messed-up ideas being tossed back and forth in this thread about "historical accuracy." It's pretty much impossible to have a "historically accurate" IG army, since no German units were equipped with lasguns or flak armor. Also, no German Heer unit that I've ever heard of wore armbands in combat, so why would including these even be a question, if a "historically accurate" color scheme is really your goal?


Malfred asked something similar earlier and no one really gave an answer, and I'm curious about this myself:

If you're really interested in the actual history and want your army to be some kind of teaching tool or something, why don't you just play a historical game like Flames of War, instead of trying to transplant something historical into 40k that doesn't belong there in the first place?

JD21290 wrote:

Witches in 40k is a term used to describe psykers,

no, thats what you said.
and nice edit

I edited to clarify as you posted after I was done asking what a psyker is. I did indeed say "Witches in 40k is a term used to describe psykers,". What I did NOT say was "Witches in 40k is a term used to describe ALL psykers," or "Witches in 40k is a term that means psyker". I'm sorry that you were confused by my post. You interpreted it incorrectly and made a bad assumption. "Witch" is a term that describes psykers. It does not mean that all psykers are witches.

Hordini wrote:I've already had my say about what I think about the idea in general, and that it's in poor taste, but I also see a lot of messed-up ideas being tossed back and forth in this thread about "historical accuracy." It's pretty much impossible to have a "historically accurate" IG army, since no German units were equipped with lasguns or flak armor. Also, no German Heer unit that I've ever heard of wore armbands in combat, so why would including these even be a question, if a "historically accurate" color scheme is really your goal?


Malfred asked something similar earlier and no one really gave an answer, and I'm curious about this myself:

If you're really interested in the actual history and want your army to be some kind of teaching tool or something, why don't you just play a historical game like Flames of War, instead of trying to transplant something historical into 40k that doesn't belong there in the first place?

Well me and my friends play warhammer games for our tabletop pleasure. I really dont want to spend money on a new game and then force other people to buy to play with me. I dont have a guard army, and with the new book out soon I thought this would be a good idea.

And when I said a German ww2 army, I did mean at least one unit of Waffen SS. They did fight afterall. And I never said I want to teach people, I said for personal pleasure (and a slight OCD slant) I wanted an army that was historically accurate.

in which case phear its not my english thats bad, it would be yours.

"witches is a term used to describe psykers"

it also does not say "some psykers"
you have used a term to sum them up, and now you edit the post after i call it up and change it.
seems you are the confused one.

also, please dont talk about how i interpret things, your user name seems to say alot based on how you have chosen to spell it.


this time, i am leaving it, seems to be nothing but a child who cant keep track of which way he is going, and changes his posts to try and make himself right again.
and then tries to "clarify" the mistake afterwards by saying i am wrong and cannot read it right, how can i fething read it right when you change it?

pointless argument here, no one will ever agree on something, its just a magnet for preaching.

JD21290 wrote:in which case phear its not my english thats bad, it would be yours.

"witches is a term used to describe psykers"

it also does not say "some psykers"
you have used a term to sum them up, and now you edit the post after i call it up and change it.
seems you are the confused one.

also, please dont talk about how i interpret things, your user name seems to say alot based on how you have chosen to spell it.


this time, i am leaving it, seems to be nothing but a child who cant keep track of which way he is going, and changes his posts to try and make himself right again.
and then tries to "clarify" the mistake afterwards by saying i am wrong and cannot read it right, how can i fething read it right when you change it?

pointless argument here, no one will ever agree on something, its just a magnet for preaching.

My user name is a reference, and would not make sense unless it was spelled this way. What does my user name have to do with anything in this discussion? Answer: nothing.
Please do not insult my English if you decide to spell things incorrectly and not follow the rules of written English such as capitalization.
I edited my post when I saw your "please define psyker" post, you can see by the time stamp. I did not say "oops, I was wrong, better cover it up", I merely wanted to avoid double posting and respond to your new post.
Insulting me by calling me a child does not further your argument.
I see no problem with having "a term used to describe something" not mean "a term that is always used to describe something". And you know what? Some very puritan inquisitors might just say that your librarian Tigurius is a witch.

EDIT:

Jaric wrote:Well me and my friends play warhammer games for our tabletop pleasure. I really dont want to spend money on a new game and then force other people to buy to play with me. I dont have a guard army, and with the new book out soon I thought this would be a good idea.

And when I said a German ww2 army, I did mean at least one unit of Waffen SS. They did fight afterall. And I never said I want to teach people, I said for personal pleasure (and a slight OCD slant) I wanted an army that was historically accurate.

If you play with your friends mostly, then you probably know better than random people on the internet what you can and can't do with them. The main thing to keep in mind is, the fact is some people (not you) would find a Nazi army offensive, and the closer you make your army to being historically accurate, the more likely people will be offended, and not play against you.

I'm sure every psyker in the galaxy would be called a witch by someone.

The Emperor? Kharn think's he's a witch. Kill Maim Burn.

::EDIT:: Wait, why the hell are we talking about witches?