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Melissia wrote:Evil wins all the time. A better question: Do Sisters ever win?

Not if Matt Ward is writing the narrative, then they take the role usually reserved for Guard regiments.


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iproxtaco wrote:Not the only place, who else is going to clean the bathroom?

Oh snap! This board really does need a 'like' button.

haloreach4ever wrote:Personally i would live on an air caste cruiser while manning the hammerhead gun turrets owning the imperial apes!

Did someone say own...




I love Sisters

I have to say, I just love the epilogues of that game.

Even when defeated, the SoB still sound cool. <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaxzXI1UzHg#t=03m44s

Lynata wrote:I have to say, I just love the epilogues of that game.

Even when defeated, the SoB still sound cool. <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaxzXI1UzHg#t=03m44s

I so LOL-ed when I hear that the Tau were searching for "Sister's technology" , Silly Tau....
Well according to Relic Imperial Guard kicked them ( Stubbs finally found those lose 100 Baneblades ), and I am sure that surviving Sisters were taken care by Guardsman and then sent to the nearest Shrine world.

Brother Coa wrote:surviving Sisters

Isn't that an oxymoron?

I just heard the Blood Ravens are considered to have lost the game (revealed in DoW2?), but not who actually won it. I don't think Stubbs - as cool as he was - ever really had a chance. Sisters showing up basically means that whoever beats them draws the ire of the entire Ministorum, and the Blood Ravens are the only Imperials I could see of standing the heat on account of having the usual Astartes "get out of pyre free"-card. But some smalltime border world IG regiment? Well, I guess they could still hope that the matter gets buried in Red Tape.

(not that I expect the DoW story having any larger relevance on GW canon - though I think the Blood Ravens are considered a canon Chapter now - but it'd be nice if its history would reflect the way how Imperial politics work)

And yeah, that bit about looking for technology made me snicker. :]

Relic stated ( with GW ) that Imperial Guard was able to drive all enemies from Kaurava.

Sooo, Dawn of War III playing on Kaurava again?

But good to know, I only heard about the Blood Ravens bit.

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:You should read Eisenhorn. Cadia is not the place to go to avoid boredom. You can get stuck on guard duty for 50 years. As much as movies make wars exciting real military life is full of loooooong stretches of boredom.

Yeah......





I wouldn't call that boring

Do you really think that you're going to have enough extra time to do stuff like that on Cadia?

coolyo294 wrote:Do you really think that you're going to have enough extra time to do stuff like that on Cadia?

Of course not, in free time on Cadia we either:

-go on training ground and train ( with live ammo of course ), or
-getting some time with local Cadian Guardswoman

Brother Coa wrote:training ground and train ( with live ammo of course )

Just had a Starship Troopers flashback there.

They even wear the same uniforms!

Sorta...

In the original Starship Troopers, the Mobile Infantry wore power armor. It was, in fact, the very first time the concept of power armor (as we would recognize it) was presented in science fiction.

Brother Coa wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Other than that, they tend to be the Redshirt Army for whatever scenario if guardsmen don't apply. Even their codex is full of their matyrdom/failure-by-awesome.

And this is just the opposite of the way they are presenting them: "Last to come, but most to be feared were the Sisters of Battle. Holy maidens and barres of the God-Emperor's faith."

Please point out to me somewhere were the Sisters actually outright won in fluff.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Please point out to me somewhere were the Sisters actually outright won in fluff.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Palatine_Crusade
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Therrix_Suppression
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vinculus_Crusade

"Saint Aspira, eighteenth Canoness of the Order, led them against the heretic Denescura and liberated almost a hundred worlds from his power with only a thousand warriors. The Cloak of St. Aspira, worn by the Canoness in life, remains as a holy relic of the order"

"Order of the Sacred Rose - During a War of Faith against the Demagogues of the Second Halo Schism, the order broke the defenses at the Palace of Radiance, securing a victory which saw heretics burning on pyres twenty meters high."

"Order of Our Martyred Lady - Though records are incomplete, it is believed that the Order of Our Martyred Lady was the force that invaded the Saint Garrat Scriptorum at the order of Inquisitor Tannenburg and brought hundreds of Adeptus Terra scribes to Nemesis Tessera excruciation chambers before razing the scriptorum with fire. Complaints lodged were quickly withdrawn when Tannenburg produced the scribes, dead, in specimen jars with their mutations laid bare and easily apparent."

"Order of the Valorous Heart - Several squads of the Order suppressed a mutant rebellion on Sepheris Secundus at the behest of the Inquisition."

"Order of the Argent Shroud - Canoness Preceptor Chrisima led a Preceptory of the order on Charak to cleanse its streets of mutants by Flamer at the command of the Confessor Petasus."

See also 3'rd war for Armageddon...and they lost in Soulstorm to Imperial Guard ( 100 Baneblades are 100 Baneblades ).

Generally though the SoB are like Orks. They always win, if they "lose" they're just martyred in the Emperor's name leading to improved morale in other SoB who will return to fight later.

Brother Coa wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Please point out to me somewhere were the Sisters actually outright won in fluff.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Palatine_Crusade
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Therrix_Suppression
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vinculus_Crusade

"Saint Aspira, eighteenth Canoness of the Order, led them against the heretic Denescura and liberated almost a hundred worlds from his power with only a thousand warriors. The Cloak of St. Aspira, worn by the Canoness in life, remains as a holy relic of the order"

"Order of the Sacred Rose - During a War of Faith against the Demagogues of the Second Halo Schism, the order broke the defenses at the Palace of Radiance, securing a victory which saw heretics burning on pyres twenty meters high."

"Order of Our Martyred Lady - Though records are incomplete, it is believed that the Order of Our Martyred Lady was the force that invaded the Saint Garrat Scriptorum at the order of Inquisitor Tannenburg and brought hundreds of Adeptus Terra scribes to Nemesis Tessera excruciation chambers before razing the scriptorum with fire. Complaints lodged were quickly withdrawn when Tannenburg produced the scribes, dead, in specimen jars with their mutations laid bare and easily apparent."

"Order of the Valorous Heart - Several squads of the Order suppressed a mutant rebellion on Sepheris Secundus at the behest of the Inquisition."

"Order of the Argent Shroud - Canoness Preceptor Chrisima led a Preceptory of the order on Charak to cleanse its streets of mutants by Flamer at the command of the Confessor Petasus."

I know all these examples. And they're all of them beating the crap out of rebels, something the Guard barely has any sort of problem with. Not once did they defeat any of the other factions at play in the Imperium. Frankly I didn't even think these counted.

Orks? They curbstomped a shrineworld with sisters present(two if you include Imperial Armour).
Deamons? They kill sisters in one piece of fluff, in another they do half the job and Grey Knights mop up the rest.
Grey Knights? See above.
Necrons? First victim.
Tyranids. Eat several shrineworlds, two of which had a mission present. Also eaten in the Caiphas Cain novel. In a short story about the last Chancers some sisters are mentioned, and they actually end up surviving. But this is only due to the last chancer's badassery, and Sisters are painted out to be... less than fantastic at fighting.
Chaos Space Marines? I don't even want to talk about the BL novels. Please don't talk about the BL novels.
Eldar? Apparently sisters aren't important enough for Eldar to manipulate and change fate.
Dark Eldar? Sisters Minoris convent taken in a single night.
Tau? Not much there either.

See also 3'rd war for Armageddon...and they lost in Soulstorm to Imperial Guard ( 100 Baneblades are 100 Baneblades ).

Yeah, sisters had their teeth kicked in on both occassions.

n0t_u wrote:Generally though the SoB are like Orks. They always win, if they "lose" they're just martyred in the Emperor's name leading to improved morale in other SoB who will return to fight later.

Good comparison.

There are bits of fluff that sound suitably awesome, though - like Canoness Praxedes who single-handedly busted a Hive Tyrant, then went MIA as she took her small force right into the maw of the 'nid fleet. Have to admit, the myth that she's still fighting them is much cooler than the alternative of her just returning to die of old age.

But I wouldn't count rounding up a few hundred unarmed Adeptus Terra scribes as a victorious battle.

Brother Coa wrote:See also 3'rd war for Armageddon...

They lost.

Melissia wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:See also 3'rd war for Armageddon...

They lost.

Eh....
Imeprium won that war....
Sisters only got slaughtered in one battle.
On others they won.

Brother Coa wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:See also 3'rd war for Armageddon...

They lost.

Eh....
Imeprium won that war....
Sisters only got slaughtered in one battle.
On others they won.

The two Sisters-based stories of Armageddon, one they lost, the other they ran away from so they wouldn't have to fight Flesh Tearers.

Well Flesh Tearers are scary...

Still essentially paints them as losers all so that they can make random marine chapter number nobody cares look better...

Not everyone can win all the time. Somebody has to be losing all these battles.....now we know who it is....

I'm not even averse to the Sisters "running" from the Flesh Tearers - only that nothing ever resulted out of it. The Canoness petitioned for the Chapter being purged and ... that's it.

Would the setting not pander to Marines all the time but rather treat such obvious transgressions with a little more consequence, the very same Sisters would have returned at a later date to attack the Chapter on its home world after it had been excommunicated.

Really hoping that stuff like this will change in the upcoming years with this "relaunch" of the SoB.

I really doubt about that since Flesh Tearers are on Baal, waiting for Tyranid invasion.

And here are all the "really bad" examples for Sisters:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/377243.page

Brother Coa wrote:I really doubt about that since Flesh Tearers are on Baal, waiting for Tyranid invasion.

Together with the KNIGHTS OF BLOOD!

Are pretty much all major Blood Angels successors....

Except for the Lamentors. That makes them suck.

And dont forget Dante's alliance with Xenos!

Oh yeah, Baal after Tyranid invasion:

That particular bit of fluff honestly gets overexagerrated.

The Necrons are known to leave battle when their numbers are depleted, which they were.

Admittedly Dante finding it distasteful to fire on Necrons after allying with them is pretty stupid, most Imperial commanders would not be so chivalrous, especially to Necrons.

To be honest, the biggest transgression in fluff is the Tyranids attacking a Tomb World at all.

Although one could argue the presence of the Blood Angels made it a more appealing target.

Also, is Ward really that bad about killing off Sisters of Battle? I recently read the Grey Knights, Blood Angels, and Space Marine codices in their entirety, and for some reason can only recall the Bloodtide incident.