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What exactly would happen? Kharn has the Blessing of Khorne, and would that make him survive Lucius' curse? Could Kharn best Lucius? Kharn is a slaughter, but Lucius is a god of single combat.

I'm just drawing a blank here. Gheh. In game turns, whoever has the charge wins. If Lucius gets the charge, he kills Kharn without taking a hit, but if Kharn is on the charge he survives with 1 wound.

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Well, what's interesting fluff wise, is if Kharne kills Lucius, does the Blood God's protection save Kharne from being turned into Lucius?

I would have to say it would be an amazing fight but Lucius would win in my book due to being such an expect swordsmen while Kharne just brutally assaults you.

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EzeKK wrote:I would have to say it would be an amazing fight but Lucius would win in my book due to being such an expect swordsmen while Kharne just brutally assaults you.


Being an expert swordsman meant jack when Loken punched him in the face.

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EzeKK wrote:I would have to say it would be an amazing fight but Lucius would win in my book due to being such an expect swordsmen while Kharne just brutally assaults you.


Being an expert swordsman meant jack when Loken punched him in the face.

QFT . Kharn is exactly what Lucius doesn't need-one wild swing of the axe and it's over for Lucius, however Lucius will have more difficulty taking down the tougher Kharn. Also, you need to feel satisfaction for Lucius' "curse" to work- I doubt Kharn would feel any because he is such a raving psychopath... In a duel situation, I reckon Lucius would win. In a full on battle with explosions around them and Kharn and Lucius charging each other, I reckon Kharn would gain the upper hand.

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Lucius has lost alot of fights as well, that's why he's rezzed so many times in new bodies. afaik Kharne hasn't been defeated.

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He died in the Siege of Terra. He was the first one through the Golden Gate, and when Chaos retreated the World Eaters found his body atop a mountain of corpses. Kharn is infact a zombie.

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DarkHound wrote:He died in the Siege of Terra. He was the first one through the Golden Gate, and when Chaos retreated the World Eaters found his body atop a mountain of corpses. Kharn is infact a zombie.


QFT. But that makes the death tally:

Kharn: 1
Lucius: much, much more.

I see this battle as a draw more than anything else, but the duel is really more Lucius's thing, so ill give the edge to him

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1 on 1 I'd say lucius has the upper hand he is a duelest after all. And He did kill Loken after all. But Kharn is a beast in a wild battle I say Kharn would win, but any good khornate would accept a personal challange. And any good Slannesh worshiper would have some devious tactic to bring him down. Spectacular fight nontheless though.

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DarkHound wrote:He died in the Siege of Terra. He was the first one through the Golden Gate, and when Chaos retreated the World Eaters found his body atop a mountain of corpses. Kharn is infact a zombie.


Therefore Kharn is both champion of Nurgle and Khorne!!!!

....Any ways I'm going with Kharn. Dudes bat*%&# crazy and (other then terra) hasn't died (fluffwise) since.
Lucius on the other hand has probably died quit a few times due to the amount of screaming faces on his armor.

The curse probably won't work because The Blood God says "NO".....and hes immune to wierd warp crap

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Shadowbrand wrote:1 on 1 I'd say lucius has the upper hand he is a duelest after all. And He did kill Loken after all. But Kharn is a beast in a wild battle I say Kharn would win, but any good khornate would accept a personal challange. And any good Slannesh worshiper would have some devious tactic to bring him down. Spectacular fight nontheless though.


Ahem...ABADDON OWNED LOKEN AND SENT HIM CRIEING TO THE EMPRAH.
Lucius just gives abaddon bjs. That's it.

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And he's damned good at them too.

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I'd give this one to kharn. It seems like all he feels nothing but the urge to KILL! MAIM! and BURN! So I'm guessing he wouldn't get any triumph out of killing Lucius. Just the desire for more skulls and blood for Khorne. That and he's a berserker, berserkers=cooler than duelists IMO.

 
   
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He might get satisfaction from claiming another skull for khone.

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If Kharn did kill Lucius, Slaanesh couldn't do anything about it. Slaanesh would try and corrupt him and Khorne would just go "NO" and punch him the face.

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Orkeosaurus wrote:If Kharn did kill Lucius, Slaanesh couldn't do anything about it. Slaanesh would try and corrupt him and Khorne would just go "NO" and punch him the face.


HELL YEAH!!!

KILL MAIM BURN FTW!!!

I think Lucius would win an enclosed 1 no 1 battle, but Kharn would pwn if it was all explosions, and raining blood.



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Khorne Imo is overated.

Slannesh Worshippers sometimes flay their enemies and honestly fighting a depraved mob that will torture and cut your up is alot scarier. Then the Bunny eared beszerkers charging you. You will die you wouldn't feel a chain axe through your head. You would feel a Dark Eldars helmet up your pooper.

I can actually see many Khornates telling a Slannesh Cultist in a altered state "Dude switch to decaff".

Besides Slannesh would pwnzor Khorne .

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KHARN!!!!!!! KILL! MAIM! BURN! etc.






i just really hate Lucius...

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I'd have to give this to Kharne, for being a raging psychopath. Absolute might and one good swing will take down Lucius' (not so) pretty face.

MAIM KILL BURN

Also, Khorne hates Slaanesh, and vice versa and so I think the Chaos God of slaughter would interfere (lets face it, both Khorne and Slaanesh would be watching over this fight) in this fight, and prevent Kharne, his champion, from being turned into Lucius, in the same way that Slaanesh intervened and turned his champion Lucius into what he is now.

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DarkHound wrote:And he's damned good at them too.

Damned straight!

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Whoever gets to Charge?

I vote that Kharn kills Lucius and Khorne saves him from turning into Lucius. Maybe Khorne binds Lucius and all his lost souls into Kharn's armor for kicks and grins.

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1st, wonder why they haven't faced off at this point? Was Lucius not at Skalthraxas (sp?)?

And I'll echo the above posters who've effectively mentioned that, given the fact that Lucius' armor has what looks like thousands of little faces on it, we know who'd win....
   
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robertsjf wrote:1st, wonder why they haven't faced off at this point? Was Lucius not at Skalthraxas (sp?)?

And I'll echo the above posters who've effectively mentioned that, given the fact that Lucius' armor has what looks like thousands of little faces on it, we know who'd win....


there is a short story about Kharn- he has a kill counter. It was at like 2700+ and not near his personal best. Lucius has faces, sure, but remember Kharn has done his share of the fighting.

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Well, the faces are from every time he dies. You interpreted that wrong Christmas.

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DarkHound wrote:Well, the faces are from every time he dies. You interpreted that wrong Christmas.


ah, excuse me . I shall go sit in a corner and cut myself chaos-like for my lack of attention to the favored of the Gods

anyway, still, I would want Kharn to win, but i think Lucius would in a true 1v1

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It is funny how Lucius' kill counter represents the number of times he's been killed...
   
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I don't think the death count is really a fair judge. I mean Lucius is out to strut what an amazing swordsman he is, and therefore he has died so many times because hes seeking out the very best of the best. I mean his first death was against some amazing lord commander of the emperors children. Kharne spends his time slaughtering whatever guardsmen or fellow CSM he happens to have at hand and therefore its not surprising he never died.


 
   
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Tortoiseer wrote:I don't think the death count is really a fair judge. I mean Lucius is out to strut what an amazing swordsman he is, and therefore he has died so many times because hes seeking out the very best of the best. I mean his first death was against some amazing lord commander of the emperors children. Kharne spends his time slaughtering whatever guardsmen or fellow CSM he happens to have at hand and therefore its not surprising he never died.


IIRC, he beat the crap out of a wolf lord in the SW series. In a short story I read he beat down the Lord of a major Slaanesh temple and something like 25-30 recently turned berzerkers. Kharn has had his share of epic fights, too.

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