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There are some good rumors finally coming out about tyranids ---> http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/12/40k-rumors-tyranid-avalanche-continues.html <---, i think we can began to talk about how we will change our lists and playing styles to face tyranids. Have at it.

Less mech, more dakka.

I'm going to continue burning down troops and throwing power weapons at MCs.

Not enough is known at this stage. Until we see points costs and sample lists, we won't know quite how to react.

Well i don't know about every one else but the fact they are rumoured to get drop pods which can hold 20 is giving me some concerns...

They sound very fluffy and alien, but we don't yet know enough to decide how many builds/styles will be viable.

Less meltas, more love for the plasma gun.

More "looking over your shoulders"......

More use of antipsyker stuff, for armies that can get them.

Osyr wrote:Less mech, more dakka.

I'm torn on this. In Re SM: I currently run less mech than the meta and LOTS of dakka. I'm thinking all of the infiltrators, marbos, and deep strikers available to the Nids are going to favor Demo cannons (pie plate plus insta-kill) and LR Crusader/redeemers.

Nid mech killyness is only a tad better than it used to be from range.

Beacuse of the fearless rule (assuming that this rumour is correct) I would take some CC elites to really abuse the combat resalution rules.

The heavy bolter might start to see a come-back....maybe

there will be more librarians and more instant-death causers, because of the changes to synapse, now carnifex squads can be dropped by a few force weapon hits (in theory)

The meltagun will never go away, but there might be a more sparing use of it now...plus people will start pointing it at those new stupid 3 wound warriors and lictors.

My list probably won't change (maybe I'll bring my Defiler off the shelf), but my tactics are going to change radically. How exactly, I am uncertain. We'll see when my buddy brings his Trygon to the field.

If I was going to stick with Orks instead of jumping on the bandwagon, I would probably buy more Nobs and make sure they all have powerklaws and cybork bodies. And get more deff dreads.

Yeah, I think armies that can field them will bring out their walkers. We'll force the enemy to go 'Nidzilla so we have something comfortable to fight.

DarkHound wrote:Yeah, I think armies that can field them will bring out their walkers. We'll force the enemy to go 'Nidzilla so we have something comfortable to fight.

Some people claim you an now fit a lot more MC;s on the board now, so many not so comfortable?

It'll be familiar. We've all gone against Monster Mashes before, we know the drill. What's a couple more Carnifexi? No, the dangerous ones will learn to use Gargoyles and carpets of Gaunts quickly. I have some ideas, but I don't know how to fight that, do you?

But they are getting S10 AP1 lances so we'll have to wait to see how many of those they can take. Necrons will probably have the most trouble against the new Tyranids.

Hoard is dead: LONG LIVE THE HOARD.

despoiler52 wrote:Beacuse of the fearless rule (assuming that this rumour is correct) I would take some CC elites to really abuse the combat resalution rules.

QFT - A great tactic I found out accidently. I multicharged a broad of gaunts and a Hive Tyrant with my boys, most of the gaunts died. So then both the gaunts and the tyrant had to take 8 more wounds due to no retreat - Bye bye Gaunts and Bye bye Tyrant!

n0t_u wrote:But they are getting S10 AP1 lances so we'll have to wait to see how many of those they can take.

Probably nine. Zoanthropes can be taken 1-3 per Elite slot (don't know if they have to form a single unit though) and no more 0-1 restriction on the Zoanthropes.

Ya since I play orks I have learnt the pain of combat reselution, sometimes you wish you didn't have the mob rule. As for the strength 10 ap 1 lance. Holy crap, when did this happen.

What will Tyranids do to the metagame?

Eat it and crap it out.

In all seriousness, I think you'll see more Heavy Bolters, Autocannons, and Plasma guns to help put out lots of wounds on both big bugs and small bugs. Same with more Heavy Flamer goodness. Meltas may fall out of favor some, but I really don't know about that, as being able to ID T4 bugs will be nice. PFs will also help with that. I'm expecting to see the AP3 ignore cover templates being popular too. Psyker defense keeps becoming more and more important in my opinion, too. However, this is mainly just guessing on my part at this point.

Not nearly enough is known about point costs and synergies yet.

From what I have heard, the armies that have not already gone mech will be more or less forced to; many opportunities for Tyranids to deliver medium-strength shooting (4-6) quickly and at low point costs, and plenty of anti-troop/horde gimmicks for devouring disembarked footsloggers.

The Zoanthrope lance is indeed an amazing ability, but the range is 18" and psychic hoods/typical psychic protection can shut it down pretty hard. I think we'll see bug players take a few of these just to keep Land Raiders honest, but the majority of units will be the cheap little bugs who can bog down/kill troops while 'hammer' units like tricked out CC-ers close in for the kill.

I think a shooty horde ala Orks will be pretty good; termagaunts and shooty MCs backed up by Zoanthropes.

I think solid mech lists will be the most reliable answer to the tyranid problem.

I think a Chaplain Cassius fluff list needs to be made somewhere....

Well the super combo breaker has been to look and see if the BroodLords power is stackable as the hive tyrant has a ability to cause wounds by what you fail your leadership by.


I can see 4 to 5 Genestealers with Drop Pods or hell infiltrating and a hive tyrant dropping in to cast the power.

You suffer wounds according to what you fail the test by.

Is this really horribly different from the Psyker Battle Squad + Callidus Assassin?

Mech seems like an easy solution.

More Mystics...

Space Wolves players will have fun popping off JotWW whenever a Trygon or whatever deepstrikes in near them.

I think that meching up will be a viable solution in the short term, until nid players figure out how to combat it with all the new rules and units. All we have so far are a lot of reasonably accurate rumours but not a complete description of everything. From what I have heard so far we have a serious vulnerability to ID, so more high strength weapons may be the solution...lascannons, melta etc.

Well, I cannot think of a better way to bump sales of SW than to release a codex right after them that scares the crud out of everyone (and yet SW have all the perfect answers for).

Melta spam will stay, perhaps even get more intense, and you'll need to kill a lot of T4 podders dead fast. Salamanders will get more popular for SM builds.

And more, not less, mech will show up. I know my skimmer-mech Eldar are doing a happy dance, that's for sure.

n0t_u wrote:But they are getting S10 AP1 lances so we'll have to wait to see how many of those they can take. Necrons will probably have the most trouble against the new Tyranids.

I field current zoeys a lot, and there's the problem with that thought

Psychic Test (if fail, stop, if pass, continue)
Shoot (BS 3, if miss, stop, if hit, continue)
Armor Pen (if not, stop, if pen/glance, continue)
Roll dice.

Get a 1,2,3,4, crap...

The problem is we have to pass an extra check (psychic test) to get such a short off, it also has a dangerously short range putting the zoey at great risk. We don't get to run around with twin-linked turret-mounted lascannons or a broadside team of three twin-linked railguns, and we don't get the "bring it down" order to twin-link either. We get three shots at BS 3 that aren't twin linked with a bonus hurdle of a psychic test and must advance before shooting due to close range so we cannot reach the armor we need to destroy until AFTER it has dropped off it's troops or caused the damage it wanted to. We lose that crucial first turn chance at disabling enemy weapons and we get to them long after they've been firing.

My question is, will it really be worth it to run a trio of zoeys (tall model) generally visible up the field all the while being subject to instant death as per the alleged new synapse rules? I don't think so. They cannot stop those vehicles from doing the damage they will on the first couple turns, they get to play cleanup for laid raiders and chimeras that have dumped their payload already. With a 12" range who's gonna be dumb enough to move a vehicle close? Relying on the mistakes of other's isn't such a great plan.

Yeah I didn't remember that much of it, in fact I haven't bothered to look at the rumors myself. The nid player I verse usually told me all of the rumors so I couldn't be botherd looking over them. Turns out that they're way crapper than I thought; range 18" ap2. Obviously something to worry about if it's there, but generally it will only hit you if you're not playing properly.




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