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If so, I won't be taking many scouting ones. Ah well, more Rough Riders in Wave 1.5.

K call me dumb for asking this but.

Why must a weapon's point cost be scaled exactly with
their *worth when compared to other armies with same weapon.

doesnt the synergy of how the weapon goes with the flow of army dictate their worth point wise better?

Isnt this why the plasma gun in IG cost the points they do?

BoxANT wrote:I really like idea that normal Guard Infantry squads would not give KP, I think that is probably the best fix out there.

1 KP per platoon will force people to keep track of which squads where in the platoon.

Combine that with Platoon Drill and I think Guard Infantry might be someone effective on the field.

Good thing my Guard Squads are all marked for which Squad and Platoon they're in. Then again it's made easy for my Mech Guard since the entire first platoon is Praetorians(dress uniforms) with the top of their epaulets in different colors(squad color) and the Steel Legion models making up Platoons 2-6 all have a convenient lightning bolt(squad color) in a circle(platoon color) on their left arms.

Scottywan82 wrote:If so, I won't be taking many scouting ones. Ah well, more Rough Riders in Wave 1.5.

I would just love to know if they are going to be mounted on
a) a Horse....it's a horse of course of course unless you realize it is freakin stupid
b) Dinosaurs like the converted Cold One Riders...until you realize cadians on Dinosaurs is dumb too. They'd be eaten
c) Bikes....but they have Cavalry rules currently so who knows
d) Something new and/or even dumber

Yippie so many choices

livingregret wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
So the regular Sentinel will no longer have the closed top option? Is that something we're hearing?

Hmmm good question. I didn't interpret it that way...but it does seem to suggest that huh? The ones w/ heavier weapons maybe come auto closed top while the scouting ones can't take it?...

The rumor is the Spearhead Sentinels come closed top, front armor 12. And will be the only way to take the heavier weapons.
I'd speculate it'll look like this:
Scouty: Heavy Flamer, Multilaser, Heavy Bolter (rumored)
Spearhead: Plasma cannon, Multimelta, Lascannon
(with the autocannon possibly in either or both)

It hasn't been said explicitly that standard sentinels lose the closed top option, but statements about the recut kit have pretty much been that those bits are for the Spearhead Sentinel.

Scottywan82 wrote:If so, I won't be taking many scouting ones. Ah well, more Rough Riders in Wave 1.5.

The scouty ones will be able to be attached to your platoon. So if you aren't playing mechanized or airdrop or whatever else, you can get a squad of sentinels without fillinf an FA FOC.

LunaHound wrote:K call me dumb

You're dumb.

Briefly mentioning Rough Riders got me a thinkin....any Rumors on them point/stat wise? Any changes to them? Letting them use lances every turn maybe?.....or point drop?......maybe even making them cheaper?....love to know

These rumors look pretty cool I think, but we will just have to wait and see what come down the pipe.

If they dont fix kill points that would be idiotic.

They will probably try hard to differentiate them from Ogryns, both being assault/counter-assault units. Ogryns are rumored to have furious charge, which I would have guessed Roughriders getting. My bet they'll probably have more close combat weapon options and get some ability like "hit and run". The hunting lance will probably get reworked, if they made it just always count as a power weapon with some other effects that'd make the unit distinctive.

Hit and Run wouldn't be bad if except for the fact that everyone has "Counter Charge" in 5th...that freakin pile in killed that ability for weak T3 people like IG, IMHO at least

I don't imagine they'll deviate from horses as Rough Rider mounts. GW very rarely change the basic design of a troop type. A different mount would be too radical for them.

Personally, I have never even seen a standard Cadian style Rough Rider model (and I've been around since 2nd Edition), so having waited all these years, it would be a shame for them to do something different.

EDIT - Huzzah! It looks like I'm back from Iran. And not before time, sand was beginning to get in my keyboard...

livingregret wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:If so, I won't be taking many scouting ones. Ah well, more Rough Riders in Wave 1.5.

I would just love to know if they are going to be mounted on
a) a Horse....it's a horse of course of course unless you realize it is freakin stupid
b) Dinosaurs like the converted Cold One Riders...until you realize cadians on Dinosaurs is dumb too. They'd be eaten
c) Bikes....but they have Cavalry rules currently so who knows
d) Something new and/or even dumber

Yippie so many choices

Actually I really WANT them to be on horses. And it's hardly more stupid than gun-lines, trenches, and WWII style tanks. I think the idea of cavalry in 40K is awesome and fits with the WWI feel of the IG. I really would be disappointed if they were on lizards or alien creatures or something silly.

Horses are on the few things that even Flashlights can injure so I guess if it gets injured they can actually "end it's suffering".......they better be cool horses though!! Mechanical bucking broncos or something!!!

Yeah, the horses are sweet, let marines and everyone else ride bikes.

Lances give plus 2 to str and In already so it would be weird to have furious assault too. Keep them cheap and hard hitting as they are now and I think they would be fine.

Plastic cyborg horses would be cool.

lord_blackfang wrote:Well, we could always go back to the good old days of 4 sprues (not kits, sprues) and maybe a dozen metal blisters per Codex and then nothing for 6 years.

I'd much rather have no releases and no support for 6 years than spend that time wondering if GW intends to ever make a model kit for a Codex entry. I like the concept of the Wave release scheme, but, as usual, GW's execution of this great idea leaves much to be desired.

BYE

Scottywan82 wrote:If so, I won't be taking many scouting ones. Ah well, more Rough Riders in Wave 1.5.

I got an advanced pic of the new Cadian Rough Riders.

ubermosher wrote:I got an advanced pic of the new Cadian Rough Riders.

LOL. That made my day. Thanks!

Donkey... *clap in approval* *giggle like girl*... uh... good point about not keeping things too serious around here.

LunaHound wrote:
K call me dumb for asking this but.

Why must a weapon's point cost be scaled exactly with
their *worth when compared to other armies with same weapon.

doesnt the synergy of how the weapon goes with the flow of army dictate their worth point wise better?

Isnt this why the plasma gun in IG cost the points they do?

Well lets say this a space marine has a bs of 4 a guardsmen has a bs of 3 the marine is more effective at shooting the plasma than the guardsman so the gun should be more expensive to the marine.
Then there is this marine armor will save more often on a marine when the plasma over heats. not with me I can't make a plasma save to save my life.
My guard have meltas and flamers.

I lose 5-10 guardsmen per game to the 'Gets Hot!' rule. Once in a great while it bites me but ala in all plasma guns are worth it.
On a side note: Is this REALLY too much to ask?

Or were worth it, if the 15 points thing is true.

And the reason why things are compared to identicle or similar items in other armies is because 40K is a comparative system. There's a base line - we presume the standard Tactical Marine for statlines and the Bolter for weapons - and everything is built around that.

First an arbitrary number is given to the base line (say, 16 points) and then a list of equipment and rules are given for this 16 point investmen. From there they look at everything else work out whether other items are worth more or less depending on how they compare to the base-line model and the base-line weapon.

Truthfully their baseline should be a Guardsman, not a Marine, but that'll never happen.

BYE

An IG and Ork focus for their game? I think I had a wet dream like that once.

I wish that the basic human statline was their basis. It is for WHFB and somehow those rules are more consistant. I wonder why that is?

[Wishlisting ON]

Rough Riders with horse (or equivalent) at base price, then 'mount upgrades' for those who want some alternative types to model or play with.

Say hello to the 112th Cadian Rough Riders on their Giant Bounding Tree Squirrels!

[/Wishlisting]

Tribune wrote:[Wishlisting ON]

Rough Riders with horse (or equivalent) at base price, then 'mount upgrades' for those who want some alternative types to model or play with.

Say hello to the 112th Cadian Rough Riders on their Giant Bounding Tree Squirrels!

[/Wishlisting]

But that would be something interesting and varied. You can't have that in a GW Codex!

Rough Riders will get horses.

SPACE HORSES!

It would be interesting if basic infantry squads were worth no KPs, but the command sections were worth more.

ph34r wrote:It would be interesting if basic infantry squads were worth no KPs, but the command sections were worth more.

If by interesting you mean horrible...than yes Sorry but the idea of 5 people that can not actually be hidden and only get the max of a 4+ Cover save against shooting that gives up 3+ KP is not appealing. And needing 1 HQ + 2 troop choices your talking 9 KP(if each one is worth 3 in this example)for 15 people. Not cool...not cool at all

aka_mythos wrote:They will probably try hard to differentiate them from Ogryns, both being assault/counter-assault units. Ogryns are rumored to have furious charge, which I would have guessed Roughriders getting. My bet they'll probably have more close combat weapon options and get some ability like "hit and run". The hunting lance will probably get reworked, if they made it just always count as a power weapon with some other effects that'd make the unit distinctive.

It's doubly depressing because Furious Charge doesn't do anything for Ogryns. Hitting at S7 instead of S6 (assuming they'll keep the ripper gun rule) is no big matter, and a bonus to Initiative is likewise not important (they usually get slaughtered at I1). All in all, a perfect GW fix that I have no problem imagining coming to pass.

Agamemnon2 wrote:
It's doubly depressing because Furious Charge doesn't do anything for Ogryns. Hitting at S7 instead of S6 (assuming they'll keep the ripper gun rule) is no big matter, and a bonus to Initiative is likewise not important (they usually get slaughtered at I1). All in all, a perfect GW fix that I have no problem imagining coming to pass.

Indeed...w/ out a Power Weapons or some modifier to the enemies armour save, which we won't see, they will be wounding on 2/3+ anyways so that does nothing for them. And everything except Power Fist will strike first..