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Salaam A'laykum, (or peace be upon you, for those who don't speak arabic).

Open-topped Valkyrie? GW daftness afoot once again!

And they claim that sticking a roof on the battlewagon somehow qualifies it as being non-open topped.

Aside from that, all seems good news. Maybe I'll start painting my Ogryn Bone Head after all...

EDIT - Actually, I'm quite liking it over here in Tehran. Not as bad as certain ex-US Presidents would have you believe. I'm off to Pyongyang next.

Well the only reasonable Kill Point fixer-uper that I have really seen listed in this thread, or any other, is simply regular squads of guys won't give up KP. No fancy math, no asking people to learn how to add anything up....just flat out only the important things matter in the Guard army. Life is Cheap rule or something else like that....

IS there anything solid about the Valkyrie being open topped?

Because it appears to have been said by a single person so far? Not saying they are lying of course, just that they might have jumped to a conclusion or gotten the wrong end of the stick.

Maybe the open side doors make it open-topped?

that would explain the rapid deployment thing and make the whinny eldar players (redundant) be quiet.

Thanks livingregret

I can't see it happening (it sounds too sensible for GW), but you never know...

On the other hand, it would encourage people to buy shedloads of basic infantry - ooh, is that some recut sprues I see???

The best kill point fix I heard, and I don't remember where I heard this from was that each platoon (not counting attached squads or tanks) counts as 1 kill point.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:IS there anything solid about the Valkyrie being open topped?

Because it appears to have been said by a single person so far? Not saying they are lying of course, just that they might have jumped to a conclusion or gotten the wrong end of the stick.

I think that was just a statement. I don't beleive the FW version is open topped.

Think Chimera Calvin’s idea works better. The “1 Platoon = 1KP” idea gets a bit fiddly if that platoon is spread across the board and mixed up with other platoons.

This is a long thread, but was there a mention somewhere of a Deathstrike missile being released? Plastic or resin. I'm just asking, because I don't want to scratch build one if there's a likely release that'll make mine look pants.

Frazzled wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:IS there anything solid about the Valkyrie being open topped?

Because it appears to have been said by a single person so far? Not saying they are lying of course, just that they might have jumped to a conclusion or gotten the wrong end of the stick.

I think that was just a statement. I don't beleive the FW version is open topped.

The FW version wasn’t a skimmer either…

Back to Kreed and Kell, I suspect that instead of choosing the mission, they will either give a +1 or a reroll for the various pregame bits, or allow you to just pick whether to go first or pick your side.
Probably the former, a +1 or reroll.

Hopefully it will be something relatively minor like that so that it is not mandatory. Letting you choose the mission is useless in fixed mission situations and Apocalypse, and really would result in playing "Not KP" over and over. Not I think I think GW is immune to such bad decisions, mind you. "We fixed KPs! Now guard just never plays for them!"

Is there any suggestion that field commands are no longer required? In other words, can I eschew an Officer and squads in favor of a special character or Inquisitor/Commisar lord or something?

Flashman wrote:Think Chimera Calvin’s idea works better. The “1 Platoon = 1KP” idea gets a bit fiddly if that platoon is spread across the board and mixed up with other platoons.

Yes I see that being the problem. Not enough people, really barely anyone that I have seen at least, actually puts on Squad numbers on various units or really denotes Squad a is w/ Platoon B while Squad C is also w/ Platoon C but not Squad B they are w/ Platoon A.....gets finicky and w/ out FORCING people to write down all of that jazz, because they didn't paint something on, would make that to hard to implement.

Hooray!!!

Another thread derailed....

I really like the 'life is cheap' name for the special rule too, livingregret

Maybe death by monkeys can mention it to mkoll to pass back up the food chain to his GW contacts and see if they like it. Either way, I think my group will adopt this as a house rule assuming no other fix comes through from GW.

My bad. I thought the Valkyrie was opened top. I also remembered that there is supposedly an open topped transport of some sort rumored and so I jumbled those two. SORRY for causing a derailment.

Now that I think about it, the salamander being given troop transport ability may be the the rumored open topped transport vehicle.

oops, sorry aka_mythos, that wasn't directed at you, no offence meant.

I was being sarcastic at myself (and livingregret) for talking about KP fixes...

Got to amuse ourselves somehow whilst we're waiting for the first IG pics. Can't believe they're going to appear in WD before someone publishes them onto Dakka or some other likeminded internet site.

EDIT - Hmm, I appear to have been upgraded to Sneaky Kommando. Is this a good idea given my current Middle Eastern location

Flashman wrote:Got to amuse ourselves somehow whilst we're waiting for the first IG pics. Can't believe they're going to appear in WD before someone publishes them onto Dakka or some other likeminded internet site.

It's almost....offensive really. That we have to wait for the company to actually show us pics before some good to honest leaks....sigh.

So anyone else stoked about having to possibly build up our army over a 1year+ period because GW refuses to release all/most of the models at any quick pace? I SURE AM!! YIPPIE CONSTANT WORK IN PROGRESS ARMIES!!!

livingregret wrote:

Flashman wrote:Got to amuse ourselves somehow whilst we're waiting for the first IG pics. Can't believe they're going to appear in WD before someone publishes them onto Dakka or some other likeminded internet site.

It's almost....offensive really. That we have to wait for the company to actually show us pics before some good to honest leaks....sigh.

So anyone else stoked about having to possibly build up our army over a 1year+ period because GW refuses to release all/most of the models at any quick pace? I SURE AM!! YIPPIE CONSTANT WORK IN PROGRESS ARMIES!!!

How will we ever live with having rules for models that aren't released yet. Parish the though.

On the squad marking part. That is a personal pet peeve of mine, if you are fielding multiple units of almost exactly the same model, you got to distinguish the squads claerly enough to where you opponent can see them. It is only fair and keeps things like multiple units in combat much simpler.

livingregret wrote:

Flashman wrote:Got to amuse ourselves somehow whilst we're waiting for the first IG pics. Can't believe they're going to appear in WD before someone publishes them onto Dakka or some other likeminded internet site.

It's almost....offensive really. That we have to wait for the company to actually show us pics before some good to honest leaks....sigh.

So anyone else stoked about having to possibly build up our army over a 1year+ period because GW refuses to release all/most of the models at any quick pace? I SURE AM!! YIPPIE CONSTANT WORK IN PROGRESS ARMIES!!!

Actually, i realize you're kidding but this is way frustrating. The fact that GW staff leak like a sieve is the only thing that keeps me from going to Nottingham and going postal over their "3-month window" bullcrap. It seriosuly blows my mind that they can't just confirm some of this stuff earlier in the game. OR at least once it goes to the printers/mold-makers.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:I don't think they'll do 2KP platoons, because however its done it involves math - and we all know Alessio hates the 'M' word...

Wait...

Doesn't writing a list involve math?

No, it involves recklessly throwing out numbers, such as the 15 pt. plasma. The easiest way to fix Guard's problems with KP is to forget they ever existed and return to the good old days of VPs. And since GW sanctioned tournaments are in the vast minority, this shouldn't be a very hard solution.

Rated G wrote:The easiest way to fix Guard's problems with KP is to forget they ever existed and return to the good old days of VPs. And since GW sanctioned tournaments are in the vast minority, this shouldn't be a very hard solution.

Except for us fascists(according to whatwhat) who want to play by the rules.

Does anyone (Mkoll?) has an idea what will be on the recut Sentinel yet? Will it have the closed top on the sprue? Jus curious how well it will blend in with my SL topped sentnels.

It is rumored to have all its weapon options and closed top canopy on the sprue. What those weapons entail beyond a plasma cannon and the current weapons is unknown. The closed top canopy is for assembling the Spearhead Sentinel and not the standard sentinel.

Scottywan82 wrote:
Actually, i realize you're kidding but this is way frustrating. The fact that GW staff leak like a sieve is the only thing that keeps me from going to Nottingham and going postal over their "3-month window" bullcrap. It seriosuly blows my mind that they can't just confirm some of this stuff earlier in the game. OR at least once it goes to the printers/mold-makers.

No you are 100% correct it is BS. When I worked for GW we had HUGE advance notice on things upcoming..from sculpt shots for the chance to actually "win" advance codexes and what not via staff tournies. It was a lot of fun....and now the Managers and other higher ups I am still friends w/ often times know less/as much as I do. How freakin sad is that? I can talk more about models coming up than people who work for the freakin company. God when Ogre Kingdoms was getting ready to drop, I had won an advanced copy of the Book AND multiple units and it was amazing. I could show off the book and the models and built tons of excitment over them...now? Nothing.

I hear you. Its hard to really get excited when you really don't know much. And the only thing you hear could be made up by someone in spain who might be reading something wrong or just making things up. Not saying that's the case, just saying someone could do that.

livingregret wrote: So anyone else stoked about having to possibly build up our army over a 1year+ period because GW refuses to release all/most of the models at any quick pace? I SURE AM!! YIPPIE CONSTANT WORK IN PROGRESS ARMIES!!!

Well, we could always go back to the good old days of 4 sprues (not kits, sprues) and maybe a dozen metal blisters per Codex and then nothing for 6 years.

aka_mythos wrote:It is rumored to have all its weapon options and closed top canopy on the sprue. What those weapons entail beyond a plasma cannon and the current weapons is unknown. The closed top canopy is for assembling the Spearhead Sentinel and not the standard sentinel.

So the regular Sentinel will no longer have the closed top option? Is that something we're hearing?

I really like idea that normal Guard Infantry squads would not give KP, I think that is probably the best fix out there.

1 KP per platoon will force people to keep track of which squads where in the platoon.

Combine that with Platoon Drill and I think Guard Infantry might be someone effective on the field.

Scottywan82 wrote:
So the regular Sentinel will no longer have the closed top option? Is that something we're hearing?

Hmmm good question. I didn't interpret it that way...but it does seem to suggest that huh? The ones w/ heavier weapons maybe come auto closed top while the scouting ones can't take it?...