Genestealer Game 4: 40k Leagues Under the Sea

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**the_ferrett**

I spent 2 hours considering the differences in.... oh wait, there were no differences in arguament. Noone has a scrap of evidence, even a strong gut comment that is more outstanding than the other team. Indeed, both sides are only so highly populated due to Thorr's strong-arming. Oh whoops, I'm not supposed to mention that or Thorr will bring up how I keep sitting on the fence due to not enough evidence.
If I haven't asked enough questions, Lord, tell me this. Can you see any difference in the arguaments of either side?

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

My first choice of a lynch is now strongly for the_ferrett. He talks alot, but doesn't really do anything. I would vote for him, but I don't feel it'd take today, so I'll put more effort into that in DayPhase2.

My second is Vulkan, he didn't say much until the switch, as I said when I voted for him, he doubled his posts in two pages than the 5 pages before the switch. Gornal said that a civillian was changed to a Genestealer, and I think it was obvious that he was/is a civillian.

**Lord-Loss**

We can never be 100% that someone is a Genestealer Ferret, we just work off what we have. If you feel that Drk_Oblit is more suspicous then vote him. If you feel that Vulkan is more suspicous then vote him. Vote for the person you feel is most likely a Genestealer, your play style has got us zero suspects, we have pegged two people who most of the town feel are most probally Stealers.

**Arheiner**

I'm sorry I haven't been active lately, been sleeping all day as it's the holidays. Will read the last couple of pages to catch up on what's happening.

**the_ferrett**

The irony is I have been sure in my previou games. I knew where I stood. And mr Drk_O. Is it better to do what others do? Switching "Oh I feel likes" like nothing on earth? What I think is that Vulkan will win by a margin of 3 and that this will likely happen during my lab time. I also suspect Drk_O will survive to minimum phase 4, as he's the kind of body you suspevct but don't really act on as its always a chance he's just grandstanding. Thorr will be kept alive merely for his outstanding leadership skills *sarcasm*. Lemme see what else I can glimmer. Mr Loss will make it to phase 5, when his logic is mistaken for something scummy and the town turns on him. Is that enough 'doing' for you Drk_O? Or do you need me to add wood to either of the pyres?

**Lord-Loss**

Ferret will make it to Phase 2, where he will be lynched for making bad theories on when everyone will die.

Are you trying to draw Stealers out by apearing scummy Ferret?

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

the_ferrett wrote:The irony is I have been sure in my previou games. I knew where I stood. And mr Drk_O. Is it better to do what others do? Switching "Oh I feel likes" like nothing on earth? What I think is that Vulkan will win by a margin of 3 and that this will likely happen during my lab time. I also suspect Drk_O will survive to minimum phase 4, as he's the kind of body you suspevct but don't really act on as its always a chance he's just grandstanding. Thorr will be kept alive merely for his outstanding leadership skills *sarcasm*. Lemme see what else I can glimmer. Mr Loss will make it to phase 5, when his logic is mistaken for something scummy and the town turns on him. Is that enough 'doing' for you Drk_O? Or do you need me to add wood to either of the pyres?

Want to know whats really ironic. In trying to prove you were doing anything, you didn't do anything.

I didn't say you didn't say anything. You say alot, and you mean alot. But you still aren't really doing anything.

My problem is, you fail to act. Do something!

**Thor665**

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:I think your twisting my words there a bit mate. ....was a post born of a tired mind still coping with doing English homework.

Am I twisting your words or was it a post that was worded strange because you were tired. If the post was worded strange, am I really twisting it? If I am twisting it, why do you say the post was worded strange?

I think I am twisting nothing and I think you are nervous because I caught you saying something really scummy and you're trying a double-barreled defense in the hope something clicks.

@ferret

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Okay, so by your last couple of posts you feel I am strong-arming people and being a horrible leader of the town (despite this it's pretty apparent that who I want to lynch will not be lynched). If I am indeed such a scary, strong-arming trouble maker for the town - why aren't you voting me and trying to point out to other people how I'm wrong?

Unvote: Drk_O
Vote: Vulkan

Vulkan is a solid second for multiple people voting Drk_O (myself included) and I'm reasonably sold by BG's case on him that I'm comfortable with this vote. It just bugs me I'm on a wagon with both Drk_O and DDRE now, as both are looking pretty scummy to me. That said, this is pretty clearly the vote that will happen today, and I see no valid reason to wait longer for it.

Next vote will lynch Vulkan. I am content to wait through Friday to see if we get *anything* out of Arheiner, but by late Friday I'm all for someone to drop the hammer.

**the_ferrett**

It seems that DO=Vote then.
And Thorr, the crap thing is. No matter how much I feel you are guilty.... you haven't done anything guilty. "Strongarming" while usuable for scum, can be used for good. And thus without secondary info all I have to work with is gut. As you lot seem to want me to trust my gut.....
Vote:Thorr
....and I return back to finding him guilty. What a surprise.

**Thor665**

the_ferrett wrote:And Thorr, the crap thing is. No matter how much I feel you are guilty... you haven't done anything guilty.

There are not enough palms to hold my face.

I will point out this would have been more useful from you a week ago when you initially expressed doubt about me and then dropped it. Even if your suspicion is just gut you should be willing to work at it. In any case, if all you have is gut my suggestion to you is to re-read my posts in the thread. A gut read usually comes from somewhere and maybe you'll spot whatever you think it is I did that looked scummy to you. That way you can, y'know, try to help town by showing them how scummy I am so I can be lynched. That is the job of the town.

**the_ferrett**

See?! There you go being unscummy by trying to help me?!? Every suspicion of guilt I could have of you is tempered by a kind act.

Oh and for the record, your scummy thing seems to be starting with Drk_O then in your description you drop a name of someone else who exhibits this behaviour. Which is what the masses pick up on. Mainly because Drk_O plays the fool so well. But if someone not the fool acts like the fool - well that's suspect behaviour. I'll find a quote after my labs.

**Thor665**

the_ferrett wrote:See?! There you go being unscummy by trying to help me?!? Every suspicion of guilt I could have of you is tempered by a kind act.

Every game of Genestealer I've played on this board has included me offering my opinions, thoughts, and advice of how to play to others. Sometimes in a nice way and sometimes more shrill. In and of itself it doesn't prove me town. I'll await your quote, because I do not think I understand what you're saying (I accused Drk_O but mentioned someone else who did the same thing and that's what everyone else picked up on?)

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

the_ferrett wrote:It seems that DO=Vote then.
And Thorr, the crap thing is. No matter how much I feel you are guilty.... you haven't done anything guilty. "Strongarming" while usuable for scum, can be used for good. And thus without secondary info all I have to work with is gut. As you lot seem to want me to trust my gut.....
Vote:Thorr
....and I return back to finding him guilty. What a surprise.

I'm debating within myself the difference between doing nothing and doing domething that isn't useful...

**the_ferrett**

Sorry, this may make me a prick, but your scare tactics and your requirements that I save my own skin aint going to push me into voting either of them. You want to lynch them you can do it the hard way.

**Thor665**

the_ferrett wrote:Sorry, this may make me a prick, but your scare tactics and your requirements that I save my own skin aint going to push me into voting either of them. You want to lynch them you can do it the hard way.

I will again note, people have said why they feel both Vulkan and Drk_O *should* be lynched. It is intrinsic upon you to express why you feel they *shouldn't* be lynched (please note shas'o and my own efforts in that regard. I disagree with that wagon, have said why, and have attacked the logic of those who want him lynched). If you're town waiting till effectively the 11th hour and then saying "you fools are all wrong!" may or may not later prove that you are correct in your thoughts - but it certainly doesn't help the rest of us assess whether or not we are correct. So even if you're dead-on right on everything you've said, you're failing at your job of getting scum lynched and town not lynched. If you're scum, please continue doing what you've been doing.

Also, I'm still waiting for the quotes from me and hopefully a clarification of what it was you thought I did (as far as I can tell you're accusing me of expressing suspicion of someone and having other people agree with me)

**BishopGore**

This is a very quiet first day so far. If you factored out all the posts Thor has made anyway

I am really enjoying seeing the Logic at work, pinning people down, forcing them to take stock of what is going on. Of course at this stage it is as likely pinning those who are innocent as those who are guilty, but nonetheless it is providing plenty to talk about.

I hope you don't get night killed Thor, you're providing a great deal of forward momentum for the group.

Ferrett is reading as either massively unhelpful or someone trying to confuse the issue. I don't agree about there being nothing to choose between Vulkan and Drk_O, since I see Drk_O as being a sensible and useful member of this group so far, whilst Vulkan has changed since Mekboy's death. But we all see different things from similar events. The arguing against having to get involved was just a bit useless.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Can we just get on with it really? Its the last day of the week, if no one will do what needs be done than I will.

UNVOTE: Drk_O

VOTE:Vulkan

If he's a townie, well I'm sorry but you'll have narrowed down the suspect list.

Drk_O this next day phase I feel as though I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't hound Ferret for the things I have hounded you for, he's going right up on my suspect list next to you.

**Gornall**

The votes are in and Vulkan is officially lynched and may no longer contribute to the conversation.

The survivors may continue to discuss amongst themselves while I write up a quick story post.

**Gornall**

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End of Day 1: Story Post
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In this metal coffin, surrounded by thousands of miles of polluted, brackish water, madness was beginning to take hold. With Stynier's final vote, the pent up stress and fear finally had an outlet.... Vulkan.

Vulkan stands there frozen, a blank, hollow stare on his face as he stares into nothingness. After the disaster of the morning, he had started breaking down, and as more attention turned to him as a suspect, his withdrawl into himself accelerated.

The group advances on the catatonic Vulkan, bloodlust in their eyes. If anyone is to survive this nightmare, sacrifices must be made. The survivors knock Vulkan to the floor, kicking him, and pummeling him with their fists. Even as the first blows begin to land, Vulkan doesn't make so much as a sound. Each blow becomes stronger and stronger, as any hesitation quickly fades. Within a few moments, Vulkan is hardly recognizable beyond a broken, bleeding body, his blood mingling with the leaking water on the floor. The beating continues long past Vulkan's death... he's little more than a punching bag for everyone to vent their frustration on.

Slowly, the survivors come to their senses, and survey the terrible consequences of their wrath. Vulkan hadn't fought back, hadn't tried to defend himself, hadn't done anything that a genestealer would have done when cornered... he simply had died:

Vulkan was a loyal Imperial Citizen!!!!

With the knowledge that they had mercilessly beat an innocent, defenseless man to death, the survivors retreated to their quarters to pray that their dreams are not haunted by their actions... and that they do not wake to find themselves facing a similarly gruesome death....
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Night Phase 1:

Please everyone send me your Night Phase Actions before 6:00 PM EST on Tuesday. If night actions are sent earlier, then I will start the next day phase before then. Also, feel free to send me PMs with guesses of the culprits and whatnot, so I can have a private chuckle at what everyone is thinking and so you can show everyone that you "knew it all along!" (I won't reply to any of them, simply to avoid giving out any sort of tells)

Friendly reminder, don't PM anyone during the Night Phase unless your role specifically allows it.

**Vulkan_He'stan**

ooooowwwww you fools on my death bed I say............
KILL THOR

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:ooooowwwww you fools on my death bed I say............
KILL THOR

I suspect Vulkan, thy bed he speaks does not exist!

**shas'o vera**

Drk_O, how would you know such a thing?

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

Are we, or are we not, underwater? I beleive it would indeed be too soggy to be of much use, or working order for very long.

**Fifty**

((It is still night time, guys))

**Gornall**

It is indeed still nighttime. As a reminder, no one is to post in this thread until it transitions back into the day phase NTL 6 PM EST on Tuesday. Anyone still having remaining night actions must get them in to me before that time.

**Gornall**

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Beginning of Day 2: Story Post
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You spend the long night wide awake, imagining every creak and drip to be the sounds of the genestealers coming to murder you in your sleep. Even when the complex is mercifully silent, your thoughts are haunted by the actions at the close of the previous day. Eventually, the shift change signal indicates that it's time to leave your quarters and return to the mess hall to face another perilous day. As the group gathers, you hope to find some comfort in the face of the claimed Inquisitor, as if anyone could stand against the might of the devious Xenos, it would be him. However, he never arrives in the mess hall. With heavy hearts, you open the door to his quarters to find him gagged and tied to his bed, a soaking-wet cloth on his head. Above him, a leaky pipe slowly drips water onto the cloth. You realize that it probably took all night for him to slowly and painfully drown alone in the dark...

Ironically, you find a book under his bed titled "Imperial Interrogation Techniques".

Not_U was an Inquisitor

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Day 2 has begun. With 10 Alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Let the games begin again.

**Thor665**

That ranks up there as one of the meaner deaths I've seen in a Genestealer game, nice fluff.

Okay, first order of the day for me is consideration of the Vulkan wagon. There was without a question scum on it as Vulkan was a tasty enough option.

I personally also believe there is a fair chance scum was on the Drk_O wagon as well (unless I was right about Drk_O and he is scum, in which case both scum are probably on the Vulkan wagon)

The Vulkan Wagon: Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore, Lord Loss, Thor665, Brother Stynier.

Looking at that list I will rule out myself, since I know my role, we can also rule out our dearly departed Inquisitor.

My reads on both Lord-Loss and BishopGore are that they are town and that I don't really suspect them at this point - does anyone have an opinion about this?

That leaves;
Dark_O (claimed second desired lynch as shas'o)
DDRE (claimed second desired lynch as shas'o - and included that 'I think Drk_O is scum commentary)
Brother Stynier. (Drk_O as second lynch - well, first really)

Could each of you restate why you were voting for Vulkan?

I'd like to point out that both DDRE and Drk_O were selling shas'o (a wagon I'm quite against) as their second favorite wagon and now we have the connection between DDRE and Drk_O through DDRE's weird commentary near the end of Day 1.

Also, sadly enough, n0t_u's death suggests either we have no Doc or that the Doc is an idiot who thought he was smarter then he was when he didn't protect n0t_u.

**the_ferrett**

Okay, I can logically admit you have a point if you were to make these assumptions. But then again that assumes that all the genestealers were working in concert. A good stealth would be for LL, Bishop or yourself to be highly pro-town and guide the group while the others worked on claiming innocents or pro-town roles.
Between the two that you suggested I'd be more likely to believe in DDRE more than Drk_O though. Is there any secondary proof to back up this logic?

**Thor665**

Well, I have my previously stated scum suspicions on Drk_O which you tend to dismiss.

Why would you believe it is more likely that DDRE is scum?

Also, what is your logic for LL or BG to be scum (I think I've heard everything you have on me, but if you have anything new I'd love to hear that too)

**the_ferrett**

I'm just using logic. The more 'pro-town' you are the more you are in the spotlight directing the questions, essentially LL or BG could keep themselves safe by drowning themselves in attention.

DDRE is more suspicious to me based on his relative silence.

And yes, I realise that what I'm saying is middle ground posting is the least guilty looking based on my experience.