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the_ferrett wrote:DDRE is more suspicious to me based on his relative silence.

Why not Vulkan then? What is your read on shas'o also?

lol, Thor what game are you playing?

Vulkan was my desired second lynch, after the_ferrett. So I think you need to rethink things for a moment.

I know I said I'd put more pressure on the_ferrett, as I fully beleive there is very little difference between doing nothing, and doing nothing useful. But I'm not really sure about it atm. As I'm not sure about someone else now.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:lol, Thor what game are you playing?

Vulkan was my desired second lynch, after the_ferrett. So I think you need to rethink things for a moment.

You are correct, when I was going back and getting people's second lynch choices I made an error on yours (I choose to blame Gornall since he's not likely to defend himself)

I still think you're scum, though admittedly now my connection from you to DDRE is weaker - what is your opinion of what he said about you here and here?

Thor665 wrote:
Brother Stynier. (Drk_O as second lynch - well, first really)

Could each of you restate why you were voting for Vulkan?

Honestly I voted for him because we needed someone to be lynched otherwise the day would have been wasted, something that would have been less helpful than the sacrifice of Vulkan. This will no doubt make me appear the most scummy but its honest that's why Im going with it.

I still hold Drk_O as one of my "main" suspect, followed by The_Ferret who so far has been using the same tactics Drk_O generally uses, and I have to say Thor sits high up on my list of suspects despite what many of you would call an "Alliance" between us due to our similar votes. As aware as I am that Thor regardless of whether or not he is a Genestealer or not would be vocal it seems that the best place for a genestealer to hide would be in the open rather than hiding in the shadows. My counter point to my own argument is the killing of n0t_u, something which he believed would be a bad thing for the genestealers to do.

BrotherStynier wrote:My counter point to my own argument is the killing of n0t_u, something which he believed would be a bad thing for the genestealers to do.

I do not actually think I said this at any point. It makes perfect sense for the Genestealers to kill an Inquisitor, it's just not what I necessarily expected them to do.

feel free to pursue your 'spotlight' concept if you wish. I will point out that if you, as you have already said, believe that I would be just as talkative whether I was town or a Genestealer that means you really need to find some sort of evidence other then the fact I'm being talkative to suggest I'm a Genestealer. I think being talkative helps town but I will admit it is not proof of being town.

I may have interpreted in a different manner, or misread what you had said at the time.

Being talkative is very helpful to the town role, but someone could also use that position to try and steer people the way they want. Which obviously hasn't worked too well as most people seem to be challenging you. Its a flawed theory and one that gives little evidence as the people doing this generally say things that make sense yet lead to conflict with others.

I may be going off of this because of Manchu's proto-type game and how we worked together as the heretics.

BrotherStynier wrote:I may be going off of this because of Manchu's proto-type game and how we worked together as the heretics.

Fair thought - I will admit my scum game and my town game are intentionally similar so that I'm not easy to catch when I play scum (after all, you don't want it to be an obvious switch otherwise you'll never win when you're scum). However, as a counterpoint I will point towards Drk_O's Genestealer Game 1 wherein Manchu used the "you're so talkative you're trying to control town" case on me. He was scum, I was town. In general I disagree with the case premise since I'd rather have us all talking and being aggressive and will yet again point out that any 'control' I have (again, even though Drk_O wasn't lynched yesterday) is only there if town sits back and just believes everything (or most of) what I say.

Not relevant to this game, but I think in future, this shows it is at least best for the Inquisitor to wait until the second Day Phase before revealing themself.

I am not really sure we learn anything from not_u being killed. After all, even if he was looking at certain people, he still made himself a target for other people if they are the 'stealers.

As for Thor, and those who are saying he may be Hiding-In-Plain-Sight, well, that is possible. However, even if it is true, right now he is the main person driving conversation. I'd advise anyone who does suspect him to save their suspicion for at least two more day phases (including this one), as there is a small chance of him being a 'stealer, which would be a great gain if we lynched him, but a certainty of losing a lot of conversation, which would be a significant loss. Based on risk analysis, you/we should lynch him later, not sooner. Don't necessarily dismiss your suspicions, just save them for a while...

(And before you seize on my phrasing, "you/we", I only say that because I don't want to lynch him at all)

Thor665 wrote:I still think you're scum, though admittedly now my connection from you to DDRE is weaker - what is your opinion of what he said about you here and here?

I heart you too . I've given up trying to convince you otherwise, hopefully it'll come naturally. I think it's a waste though, as I feel you're barking up the wrong tree. The princess is not in this castle.


The two things he said seem to contradict themselves. But I think he means well, but it seemed like he said "Well, we know Drk_O is a Genie, so we'll go find his buddy". While getting over the feeling of deja vu, I feel it never seems to be a good idea, no matter how sure you are. I don't think he was as sure as he sounded though. We'll just have to keep an eye on him for now, like mostly everyone else. "OTL

Thor665 wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:I may be going off of this because of Manchu's proto-type game and how we worked together as the heretics.

Fair thought - I will admit my scum game and my town game are intentionally similar so that I'm not easy to catch when I play scum (after all, you don't want it to be an obvious switch otherwise you'll never win when you're scum). However, as a counterpoint I will point towards Drk_O's Genestealer Game 1 wherein Manchu used the "you're so talkative you're trying to control town" case on me. He was scum, I was town. In general I disagree with the case premise since I'd rather have us all talking and being aggressive and will yet again point out that any 'control' I have (again, even though Drk_O wasn't lynched yesterday) is only there if town sits back and just believes everything (or most of) what I say.

That is a fair point as well, a genestealer could make the claim that I am now making. I have pointed out I believe that you don't really have control otherwise Drk_O would be dead, of course I feel that I may have put people off of that on day one due to my 'attacking' him as some people have claimed.

I can't believe not_u died... He took a heck of a gamble, but I'm shocked the doctor didn't save him, assuming there is one down here.

I really don't know where to go today. I was completely wrong about Vulkan, so now it's time to see if anyone else changed their game after mekboy's death. Or to face the fact we probably have a clever genestealer who won't be so easily discovered.

I agree that Thor does NOT have control of this group. His aggressive use of talking and logic in this game so far have done mostly good for the pro-town, but he has not steered us in the direction he wanted, the Drk_O lynch and indeed joined those of us he thought was wrong at the end, showing he's as much a follower as a leader.

In the back of the Interrogation book is a bunch of notes written down which reads

"Despite my suspicion....lead t.....invest.......ead....innocent"
The message hidden forever by claw marks.


OOC: My experiment is done, it is never a good time to reveal yourself to be the Inquisitor. Dispite knowing for certain who is who the information is fairly useless. I guess the best thing to do with your findings would be to subtly guide everyone in the right direction. Go loyalists

Edited to fit in more with the death scene

My suspicion of Dark_O was rather unfounded, in all honesty I based it on previous experience with him. I thought he would degenerate into posting gibberish and generally clogging up the conversation. While I'm still suspicious of him, he is somewhat in the back of my mind as of now. I'm slightly less convinced he is scum because for the most part he has been helpful thus far.

Call it a vibe perhaps, but I am highly suspicious of Arheiner. He has kept posting fairly regularly in the other genestealer game, yet he has contributed nothing of use to this thread. He seems to be hiding in the shadows, king of the lurkers if you will. Now, being quiet on its own surely doesn't make one guilty however, I feel he has contributed nothing to the conversation thus far and shows a dangerous disinterest in the game. He didn't scum hunt yesterday, nor did he actually help lynch Vulkan(which was a mistake).

So both Arheiner and Shas'o are now my prime suspects, yet I have nothing much to go on.

n0t_u wrote:In the back of the Interrogation book is a bunch of notes written down which reads

"Despite my suspicion....lead t.....invest.......ead....innocent"
The message hidden forever by claw marks.


OOC: My experiment is done, it is never a good time to reveal yourself to be the Inquisitor. Dispite knowing for certain who is who the information is fairly useless. I guess the best thing to do with your findings would be to subtly guide everyone in the right direction. Go loyalists

Edited to fit in more with the death scene

As far as I know you could tell us who you investigated, but your one post is up now we are on our own.

OOC(obviously): Actually its against the rules for me to so you'll never know until the game is over. And with that I can definitely not post until the game is done.

*corpse mode go*

Thorr: Vulkan is dead and I was going with my gut (which was right), My gut still days Drk_O is innocent (no evidence obviously) as for Shas'o. I think he dies too early in each game I've seen him in for me to get a gut reading. Meanwhile, I've seen enough DDRE to know he's not 100% on what he usually is. Perhaps its cause he tends to be more confidant in his non game posts.

I think if the Doctor protected N0t_u it would be a gamble, he could have been scum in diguise and protecting someone like Thor, Bishop or Stynier could have been a better choice, they post regular logical posts and are the backbone of the town.

You are assuming there is a doctor. Or if there is one, he may have just protected himself, the coward!

I still can't get away from thinking that despite Shas'o vera being new to this game, he is still acting scummy with his lack of participation and lack of useful contributon when he does participate. I would urge everyone to consider a vote for him to see if he becomes more involved, as that may allow us to get a better idea of whether he is or is not a 'stealer.

As it is, he may think "Well, only Fifty has voted for me. This saying nothing strategy is working for me with everyone else, so I'll keep saying nothing, and play the wolf-in-lamb-skin amongst the lambs..."

I am not sure I want him lynched yet, but I want him to know it is a strong possibility.

Vote: Shas'o vera

Can a doctor even protect himself?

Is it me, or has Ferret dramatically changed his play style since last day phrase?

FIFTY

Fifty wrote:Not relevant to this game, but I think in future, this shows it is at least best for the Inquisitor to wait until the second Day Phase before revealing themself.

In my opinion the Inquisitor should generally wait till they have multiple investigation results before reveling themselves (though they should subtly work in the results of their investigations to their posts so in case they die early the info is still there for town to find)

Fifty wrote:As for Thor...I'd advise anyone who does suspect him to save their suspicion for at least two more day phases (including this one)

Eh, in the sens I'm town I agree with this because I'd rather not be mislynched, but in the general sense of the best way to lynch people you shouldn't be setting up 'safe periods' for people. If you find my contributions and activity useful then you should try to also be active and encourage others to be active - that way it doesn't matter if I'm killed because everyone is participating.
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DRK_O

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:The two things he said seem to contradict themselves. But I think he means well, but it seemed like he said "Well, we know Drk_O is a Genie, so we'll go find his buddy". While getting over the feeling of deja vu, I feel it never seems to be a good idea, no matter how sure you are. I don't think he was as sure as he sounded though. We'll just have to keep an eye on him for now, like mostly everyone else. "OTL

If you actually came out with an opinion here about DDRE I cannot find it. Other then ferret whom do you suspect (just one or two names) and why?
Also, what are your thoughts of me claiming that BishopGore and LL are townish and I don't suspect them currently?
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BISHOPGORE

BishopGore wrote:[Thor] joined those of us he thought was wrong at the end, showing he's as much a follower as a leader.

Just to clarify, I didn't consider Vulkan a 'wrong' lynch, I simply considered him as less likely to be a Genestealer then Drk_O. I stand by that vote.
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DEFF DREAD RED EDITION

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:Call it a vibe perhaps, but I am highly suspicious of Arheiner. He has kept posting fairly regularly in the other genestealer game, yet he has contributed nothing of use to this thread.

This is actually an interesting point - he was active in the other thread while not saying anything in this one.

@ARHEINER - please respond to this accusation.
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FERRET

the_ferrett wrote:Thorr: Vulkan is dead and I was going with my gut (which was right)

Genestealers would also know that Vulkan wasn't a Genestealer. If you so believed your gut why did you wait so late to say you disagreed with the votes, and why didn't you offer up an alternative? I'll agree with you on shas'o, but I've been saying that before you so really you're agreeing with me. I disagree about Drk_O.

the_ferrett wrote:Meanwhile, I've seen enough DDRE to know he's not 100% on what he usually is. Perhaps its cause he tends to be more confidant in his non game posts.

By non-game posts do you mean posts in the rest of the site? Why would his level of confidence in discussing Ork tactics be applicable to his confidence here in this game? What do you see as his uncertainties that are cluing you into him? Also, do you think I should be concerned that I listed you and him as major suspects of mine Day 1 and now you're suddenly all about investigating DDRE? Are you trying to redirect me?
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LORD-LOSS

Lord-Loss wrote:Can a doctor even protect himself?

No, the doctor (Psyker) cannot self protect.

Lord-Loss wrote:Is it me, or has Ferret dramatically changed his play style since last day phrase?

He's talking more now, but I feel he started that near the end of Day 1 - do you see something else?

the_ferrett wrote:I'm just using logic. The more 'pro-town' you are the more you are in the spotlight directing the questions, essentially LL or BG could keep themselves safe by drowning themselves in attention.

DDRE is more suspicious to me based on his relative silence.

And yes, I realise that what I'm saying is middle ground posting is the least guilty looking based on my experience.

Okay, I can logically admit you have a point if you were to make these assumptions. But then again that assumes that all the genestealers were working in concert. A good stealth would be for LL, Bishop or yourself to be highly pro-town and guide the group while the others worked on claiming innocents or pro-town roles.
Between the two that you suggested I'd be more likely to believe in DDRE more than Drk_O though. Is there any secondary proof to back up this logic?

This kind of suprised me, he seems to have ditched the riddles and constant metaphors and may be using logic and trying to catch scum the normal way. It just seemed like a big shift in playstyle for him.

Gentlemen, something has occurred to me, I implore you to look back upon the manner in which n0t_u was killed. Is it just me or does it look like someone other than the genestealers killed him?

There is no evidence to point to the fact that those foul creatures came in the night and killed him, no claw marks, nothing that would suggest they killed him.

So I now come to you with this theory, perhaps the Doctor did do his job and protected someone other than n0t_u because as LL has said maybe he didn't want to take a gamble that the Inquisitor was actually scum.

So perhaps the genestealers attempted to remove someone else, yet the Doctor stepped in and prevented that while a Cultist or Assassin removed the Inquisitor silently in the night out of fear that he may be discovered.

I know when I do the night kills I tend not to differentiate, but you could be correct.

Gornall - do you absolve your story posts of any in-game hints, or is it fair to suppose that by the write-up it suggests that Genestealers did not kill n0t_u?

My posts will contain no hints or spoilers unless I specifically spell it out.

Still I wonder if maybe there is a Doctor and he did protect someone, and that there maybe a Cultist.

Thorr and LL: I'm responding better now because you're giving me actual decent questions to work with "Who do you think is guilty? And give proof whether you're sure or not." is as vague as it comes.

Secondly - if I wanted to redirect you, as most people who know me can tell, you'd know you were being redirected. At the moment you're just suppositioning. Why DDRE? Because you gave choices in your previous posts. I've been answering your questions, and each question has been akin to "Between X and Y who is more guilty and why." the difference between that and previous times where I was speaking in 'riddles' is the fact that you now go "This is the evidence collected against hiom so far." This allows me to weigh up the facts instead of stumbling in the dark. Its still alot of guesswork, but the method currently being employed is a good one. That said, LL and BG, apart from being nigh on confusing - why am I suspicious to both of you.

Or is learning in of itself suspicious?

the_ferrett wrote:Why DDRE? Because you gave choices in your previous posts. I've been answering your questions, and each question has been akin to "Between X and Y who is more guilty and why." the difference between that and previous times where I was speaking in 'riddles' is the fact that you now go "This is the evidence collected against hiom so far." This allows me to weigh up the facts instead of stumbling in the dark. Its still alot of guesswork, but the method currently being employed is a good one.

This is interesting. I think your claimed mental leap here is the different methods used during Day 1 (low information Day) and Day 2 (higher information Day). As a basic learning idea I would like you to consider why we have more information today (I submit it's the lynch flip result, plus who voted for said lynch, and also statements made about who people suspected 2nd most). Consider that and then ask yourself again why I was asking "vague" questions yesterday and also why today I feel you are scummy because you were avoiding those questions. I have better reads on many players today because they were able/willing to offer their thoughts on the "vague" stuff, meanwhile you still sit in a lot of the vagueness of Day 1 for me.

Day 3 will be better yet, as we'll have more info to work with.

Now, a vague question - if you had to, by yourself, choose someone to lynch today; who would it be and why?

Thor665 wrote:

DRK_O

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:The two things he said seem to contradict themselves. But I think he means well, but it seemed like he said "Well, we know Drk_O is a Genie, so we'll go find his buddy". While getting over the feeling of deja vu, I feel it never seems to be a good idea, no matter how sure you are. I don't think he was as sure as he sounded though. We'll just have to keep an eye on him for now, like mostly everyone else. "OTL

If you actually came out with an opinion here about DDRE I cannot find it. Other then ferret whom do you suspect (just one or two names) and why?
Also, what are your thoughts of me claiming that BishopGore and LL are townish and I don't suspect them currently?

I'm 100% sure Deff Dread is a townie so we should keep him around. Whether he makes it to tomorrow is under doubt with me though.

I agree with you, I don't find either of them suspicious. Although, I find the fact I don't find them suspicious makes me a little suspicious of them (see too good to be true)

Besides ferrett, I find Fifty suspicious, as I don't think I remember him posting yesterday

Thorr: You actually. I find that without outside influence, my estimates rely stongly upon who would be least effected by a 'guiding' force like an inquisitor. Obvious choice is the one already guiding the ship. Which means you. Sorry mate.

@Thor/DDRE-I have been inactive here, yes but thats because I forgot this was playing too for several days, and now i'm back. Just looked over the thread and it looks very blurry right now to me, and no obvious suspects at all. Also interesting is the amount of comparisons with other parts of the forum, Seems more tactics are coming into this game than other ones.

OOC: If I run the next game, how about a reverse of roles with a cult being infiltrated by an Inquistor?