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ShumaGorath wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Via Ghost21
the first thing i have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed
one more renagade based the other legion based the legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names
there "may" be a inquisitor whos gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one
its lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....
also 2012??...maybe at a push

I don't get this. If they are making a distinction between legions vs renegades and marines vs cultists the cultists should go in the legion book because the legions are pre-Codex Astartes and thus more likely to fight in combined forces. More recent renegades should be more purely SM or more purely IG and not a mixture.

Really? I would have thought a Plague Marine warband or a Noise Marine cult would be pretty darn inclusive, considering they consist of 10000 year old battle brothers (even if some of them actually ages less in the EoT). When you're that old and that elite, I'm not sure you'd be looking for the company of cultist maggots, unless you're Alpha Legion.

That and the legions (aside from alpha and word) operate primarily out of a hell dimension that is anathema to the survival of ordinary humans and do little to cultivate worship on imperial worlds.

Actually there seems to be quite a bit of variation when it comes to the habitability of worlds in the EoT. Medrenguard seems livable in Dead Sky, Black Sun, and the Thousand Sons in Battle of the Fang utilize Spireguard.

Manchu wrote:I hope the Legions book isn't too god-centric. The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so.

Don't worry - I'm sure they will be retconned to worship some stupid batgod or something.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Don't worry - I'm sure they will be retconned to worship some stupid batgod or something.

Batboy lives!

The Night Lords have no generalization, contrary to popular belief. They could be served by any sort of system.

Just have 1 chaos book, that includes it all....ALLLLLLLLLLLL
Not this division gak.

They just need to reissue Realms of Chaos- Slaves to Darkness and Lost and the Damned.

Add in the legion specifics as a side order to the main issue of developing a chaose army out of ragtag mutants and offcasts, with orks, and dark eldar mercs running around bartering for fresh souls...

Have some development rules for evolving your space marine evolve to demonhood....


Oh, wait....

I'm a book nerd, I hope it's hardcover! I would love for it to come out in January as well, and I could burn all my Xmas loot, Tax Money and Mortgage payments on Chaos stuff...

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I don't get this. If they are making a distinction between legions vs renegades and marines vs cultists the cultists should go in the legion book because the legions are pre-Codex Astartes and thus more likely to fight in combined forces. More recent renegades should be more purely SM or more purely IG and not a mixture.

In my imagination, a chapter of around 1000 Astartes probably couldn't survive alone without the support of the Imperium or anyone else. They could flee only to be hunted down by both the Imperium and other Chaos followers. They would need mortals to protect them against dire threats like other Astartes, use as cannon fodder on supply raids, or infiltrate Imperial worlds due to the Chapter's small and gradually depleting numbers. A rag tag band of renegades, mutants and outcasts led by renegade Astartes would be really cool.

All I ask from a new Dex is that Thousand Sons get some more options.....Oh, and maybe non metal models for a change.

Elindiel wrote:All I ask from a new Dex is that Thousand Sons get some more options.....Oh, and maybe non metal models for a change.

Considering GW has actually been winning the war on hybrid models, I can definitely see some good looking plastics for them. Also, the next Imperial Armor is going to have Tzeentch in it if I recall, which means there's a possibility of some Forgeworld goodness.

Maybe they'll get a second wound. I've heard mentioned in the past that armies that get that usually have a lot going for them.

What a novel concept! Maybe they'll also be immune to weapons under strength 4! Somebody should write this stuff down!

Yes, and after giving them two wounds and such we can then proceed to make their Sorceror bullet bolters rending.

I agree, all I'm asking for is plastics of the TS marines. Hell, I'd even settle for a chapter upgrade kit. Actually, that might be a good idea for several chaos factions. Cool as they are, Forgeworld troop upgrade kits are not cheap.

Plastic Thousand Sons and Noise Marines are essentially given. They're phasing out hybrid kits as much as possible. Maybe they'll get the resin treatment, though I doubt it.

As much as TSons and Noise Marines deserve plastic kits, I admit to selfishly wanting to see the Berserker box redone; they just look goofy by comparison to even the regular Tactical squad box.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Manchu wrote:The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so.

The Black Library books that feature them, yes, but I wouldn't put much faith in the Legion Codex having much if anything to do with the fluff in the Black Library books. If the studio wants Night Lords riding the Chaos-worship train, then that's what they'll be doing.

Yeah, there is no question as to what trumps what. But their Chapter Approved had them sneering at the Gods, too. And before you say it, I realize that even star gods can be shattered into mere shards by the true Ruinous Powers.

How about upgrade sprues like they did for Black Templars and Dark Angels, with Legion specific Torsos, shoulder pads and prefered weapons?

Anung Un Rama wrote:How about upgrade sprues like they did for Black Templars and Dark Angels, with Legion specific Torsos, shoulder pads and prefered weapons?

Might as well put some legs on it and you have a full sprue.

Only Templars had an upgrade sprue, BTW. DA had a full sprue.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Worglock wrote:I'd be perfectly fine with it being the size of the old Realm of Chaos books.

Be realistic Locky. Those days are gone. We might get a decent sized book - 5th Ed Marine size in thickness - but the idea of getting a RoC book or even a 2nd Ed Chaos book are long behind us. On the bright side, it will be in hardback and more expensive!

And you'll still buy it before feeling bad about it.

As long as it beats the warhams out of some fools, I'll be ok. How about you?

No I won't buy it. I think the last Codex I bought was... Cruddace's Guard Codex. Yeah. That was the last one I bought.

But yeah, good job having another dig at me rather than actually discussing the topic at hand. I'd say something cute like 'never change!'... but it'd be a redundant statement.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:How about upgrade sprues like they did for Black Templars and Dark Angels, with Legion specific Torsos, shoulder pads and prefered weapons?

Might as well put some legs on it and you have a full sprue.

Only Templars had an upgrade sprue, BTW. DA had a full sprue.

And how the quality did change.

SWs had the first 'upgrade' sprue in 3rd edition.
Then BTs improved on it in 4th.
Then DAs got a 'true' sprue.

And then we got the most recent Space Wolf offering.

I don't think they're going for the 'upgrade' kits as an approach anymore. Not after seeing that progress. We might see resin/metal upgrade kits similar to the bits packs perhaps.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Manchu wrote:The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so.

The Black Library books that feature them, yes, but I wouldn't put much faith in the Legion Codex having much if anything to do with the fluff in the Black Library books. If the studio wants Night Lords riding the Chaos-worship train, then that's what they'll be doing.

Why not just get ADB to write the Fluff for the new Chaos dex? He's kicked butt with the NL's and Word Bearers so far. One of his future HH book's is going to be World Eaters...the man does know how to write good fiction.

I would love to see a 'Legion' codex and a 'Renegades/LatD' style of books. Lots of units and be sold for both books. Nice way to personalize your Chaos army a'la Realms of Chaos books. Hell they should just reissue the RoC books and be done with it... rules and all how's that for chaotic =o]

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Manchu wrote:The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so.

The Black Library books that feature them, yes, but I wouldn't put much faith in the Legion Codex having much if anything to do with the fluff in the Black Library books. If the studio wants Night Lords riding the Chaos-worship train, then that's what they'll be doing.

Why not just get ADB to write the Fluff for the new Chaos dex? He's kicked butt with the NL's and Word Bearers so far. One of his future HH book's is going to be World Eaters...the man does know how to write good fiction.

I would love to see a 'Legion' codex and a 'Renegades/LatD' style of books. Lots of units and be sold for both books. Nice way to personalize your Chaos army a'la Realms of Chaos books. Hell they should just reissue the RoC books and be done with it... rules and all how's that for chaotic =o]

You, sir, have just won a gold star for the best idea of the day!

Seeing as the new trend is putting out sprues that can be 2 or even 3 different things, i think its likely that there will be a thousand sons/noise marine set out eventually. they look enough like each other to fit such a set wouldn't you agree?

tarnish wrote:Seeing as the new trend is putting out sprues that can be 2 or even 3 different things, i think its likely that there will be a thousand sons/noise marine set out eventually. they look enough like each other to fit such a set wouldn't you agree?

Mmm. The trend may be for that but to be honest It's a bit hit and miss as I'd prefer my Slaanesh to be mutated, leather and spike clad sensation crazed loons rather than what is essentially supposed to be rank upon rank of spirit possessed suits of uniform power armour. I can't easily imagine dual-kits for different Powers...

tarnish wrote:Seeing as the new trend is putting out sprues that can be 2 or even 3 different things, i think its likely that there will be a thousand sons/noise marine set out eventually. they look enough like each other to fit such a set wouldn't you agree?

Yes, I can see those being combined. But not much else currently in the Codex. Certainly not Nurgle stuff.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:Why not just get ADB to write the Fluff for the new Chaos dex? He's kicked butt with the NL's and Word Bearers so far. One of his future HH book's is going to be World Eaters...the man does know how to write good fiction.

If only they did that! In an ideal world the Black Library authors would be writing the background for every codex, and games designers such as Ward would only be working on the rules. It's unconventional how professional rules designers are tasked to write literature as well; perhaps because of GW's budget cuts.

H.B.M.C. wrote:No I won't buy it. I think the last Codex I bought was... Cruddace's Guard Codex. Yeah. That was the last one I bought.

But yeah, good job having another dig at me rather than actually discussing the topic at hand. I'd say something cute like 'never change!'... but it'd be a redundant statement.

Ironic, you saying 'never change'. Your constant "GW does everything wrong again" posts may as well be amended to every OP regarding GW news of ANY sort. I've come to expect depressing droll posts whenever I see the 360 Commissar avatar, it's getting really REALLY old dude. We get it. You think everything GW does is wrong, and they're awful and there's no reason to buy any of their products. Their marketing is the WORST you've ever seen and all you expect is the absolute dopiest business moves from them. We got it, move on. Play Warmachine or something, your attitude is tired as can be.

I think we can leave the quips at/about each other out of this please.

Thanks.

Manchu wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Manchu wrote:The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so.

The Black Library books that feature them, yes, but I wouldn't put much faith in the Legion Codex having much if anything to do with the fluff in the Black Library books. If the studio wants Night Lords riding the Chaos-worship train, then that's what they'll be doing.

Yeah, there is no question as to what trumps what. But their Chapter Approved had them sneering at the Gods, too. And before you say it, I realize that even star gods can be shattered into mere shards by the true Ruinous Powers.

And the Iron Hands' Chapter Approved had them not having chapter masters and not holding Marneus Calgar as their spiritual liege.

Let me offer the most polite response I can muster at 2am in the morning...

Disarray wrote:We get it. You think everything GW does is wrong, and they're awful and there's no reason to buy any of their products.

Please don't put words in my mouth. It speaks more to you not reading my posts than my own views.

I've stated time and time again what I like when it comes to GW products. For instance, the single-frame plastic characters that are beginning to sprout up in the Warhammer range. I think they're fantastic, long overdue, and a trend I hope both continues and continues into 40K. I think the Dark Eldar range is wonderful. I very much like a lot of the new Necron models. I think the plastic Grey Knight Terminators were great. I thought the expansion of the Tomb Kings was inspired. There are some great new Ogre models, especially that Gutsman guy or whatever his name is - the executioner with the chain scythe thingy. I think the models and the background are simply stunning.

"Play Warmachine" is quite a - I have to say it - stupid alternative. I don't like Warmachine. The universe does nothing for me (other than Cryx models, which I think are stunning). Why would I play something I don't like? How does that make any sense? And, once again, I have to remind yet another poster that "not liking GW" =/= "not liking 40K". When will people realise that? Is the distinction (or the separation) of the two so difficult to grasp?

So, as I said a moment ago, don't put words in my mouth.

Oh, and GW don't have the worst marketing. In order to have the worst marketing they would first have to have marketing.