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Yes, yes it is.

Some more rumours from the interwebs, they're mostly from last month at the earliest, but they been mentioned on Dakka yet. Also be included in the first post:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/10/chaos-legions-codex-set-to-arrive.html

I had a chance to get information straight from a codex designer.
Chaos legions will be out in January or February dependant on necron sales, however it will probably be January. I don't know whether he was messing with me or not, so read and apply a lot of salt. He was straight with me about necrons being released in November. Chaos Legions are being taken back to their roots from the Horus Heresy, and it was a bit late due to the re-design of the fluff to fit in with 6ed.

I doubt they will get a release in Jan - Feb, but the rest of this sounds interesting.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/10/codex-chaos-legions-and-chaos-renegades.html

Via Schell
Chaos seems to be coming out around the new 40k rule book, which is rumoured for release next summer.

I believe someone started a rumour a couple of months ago, cannot remember who, stating that chaos would be the first (hardback???) release for the new rulebook.

The starter set(s) are Chaos and Dark Angels; this was the original rumour; however, this was quickly trashed by saying that Dark Angels would NOT be in the starter set. Chaos does seem to be there though.

Apparently Imperial Guard renegade armies will be a part of the Chaos release.

But which one? I would be dissapointed if cultists at least didn't feature in the Legions dex.

Via Ghost21
the first thing i have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed
one more renagade based the other legion based the legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names
there "may" be a inquisitor whos gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one
its lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....
also 2012??...maybe at a push

I really hope that they choose to go with at least two codexes, IMHO there just woulden't be space in one book for both chaos marine legions, and other very dangerous followers of chaos such as traitor guard, renegades and heretic cultists. If GW take it in the same direction as they did with Warhammer fantasy, the 6th edition codexes will probably be in hardback and of course more expensive to buy. The legion codex is what I am waiting for more than anything else in 40K right now, as all the loyalist marine chapters right now are way too boring and bland both fluff and model wise for me to bother collecting them.

Manchu wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:I'm always amazed at how young some of you must be.

You're doing it wrong. Old is not hip.

He was old before it was cool.

All I know is that if Iron Warriors get good rules again GW will get my money.

Manchu wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:I'm always amazed at how young some of you must be.

You're doing it wrong. Old is not hip.

And that's precisely why its hip! (And now we're stuck in the hipster logic circle!)

Castiel wrote:

Manchu wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:I'm always amazed at how young some of you must be.

You're doing it wrong. Old is not hip.

And that's precisely why its hip! (And now we're stuck in the hipster logic circle!)

Ah, I see. He's being old ironically.

Yeah, I used to be into the whole ironically old thing... back when it was still underground.

Bonde wrote:I really hope that they choose to go with at least two codexes, IMHO there just woulden't be space in one book for both chaos marine legions, and other very dangerous followers of chaos such as traitor guard, renegades and heretic cultists. If GW take it in the same direction as they did with Warhammer fantasy, the 6th edition codexes will probably be in hardback and of course more expensive to buy. The legion codex is what I am waiting for more than anything else in 40K right now, as all the loyalist marine chapters right now are way too boring and bland both fluff and model wise for me to bother collecting them.

I'd be perfectly fine with it being the size of the old Realm of Chaos books.

Sorry, I am somewhat new to 40K, so I have never experienced the chaos glory of old. The biggest and most complete codex I have ever seen in my time of 40K is the current vanilla marine codex, which is kind of sad, but I guess from all the nostalgia I am hearing, it can only get better from here.

Worglock wrote:I'd be perfectly fine with it being the size of the old Realm of Chaos books.

Be realistic Locky. Those days are gone. We might get a decent sized book - 5th Ed Marine size in thickness - but the idea of getting a RoC book or even a 2nd Ed Chaos book are long behind us. On the bright side, it will be in hardback and more expensive!

to be fair, hip is the new lame. like wearing glasses without lenses and a scarf in the summer.....

Balance wrote:If anything, I'd expect "Minor Gods" to be some sort of singular generic "Other" option... Although GW doesn't seem to like stuff like that at the moment.

When you look at the "Legions" four of them are specifically aligned to a major god, and one is truely undivided having members who worship all four... This leaves 3 other legions... and simply put, if GW's going to have a book about legions they can go into greater detail rather than "undivided". As it is the "undivided" option in the current codex is described as including the worship of lesser chaos deities. I see nothing wrong with naming those lesser chaos gods as matter of distinguishing the "undivided" legions; the greater degree of specifity in representing each legion distinctively almost demands it. It makes the undivided legions more viable and less reliant on the past gimmicks, that some considered cheesey.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Worglock wrote:I'd be perfectly fine with it being the size of the old Realm of Chaos books.

Be realistic Locky. Those days are gone. We might get a decent sized book - 5th Ed Marine size in thickness - but the idea of getting a RoC book or even a 2nd Ed Chaos book are long behind us. On the bright side, it will be in hardback and more expensive!

And actually usable.

Via Ghost21
the first thing i have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed
one more renagade based the other legion based the legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names
there "may" be a inquisitor whos gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one
its lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....
also 2012??...maybe at a push

I don't get this. If they are making a distinction between legions vs renegades and marines vs cultists the cultists should go in the legion book because the legions are pre-Codex Astartes and thus more likely to fight in combined forces. More recent renegades should be more purely SM or more purely IG and not a mixture.

ShumaGorath wrote:
And actually usable.

As more than a paperweight/desk decoration, pillow for small animals....etc.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Via Ghost21
the first thing i have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed
one more renagade based the other legion based the legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names
there "may" be a inquisitor whos gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one
its lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....
also 2012??...maybe at a push

I don't get this. If they are making a distinction between legions vs renegades and marines vs cultists the cultists should go in the legion book because the legions are pre-Codex Astartes and thus more likely to fight in combined forces. More recent renegades should be more purely SM or more purely IG and not a mixture.

Really? I would have thought a Plague Marine warband or a Noise Marine cult would be pretty darn inclusive, considering they consist of 10000 year old battle brothers (even if some of them actually ages less in the EoT). When you're that old and that elite, I'm not sure you'd be looking for the company of cultist maggots, unless you're Alpha Legion.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Via Ghost21
the first thing i have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed
one more renagade based the other legion based the legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names
there "may" be a inquisitor whos gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one
its lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....
also 2012??...maybe at a push

I don't get this. If they are making a distinction between legions vs renegades and marines vs cultists the cultists should go in the legion book because the legions are pre-Codex Astartes and thus more likely to fight in combined forces. More recent renegades should be more purely SM or more purely IG and not a mixture.

Really? I would have thought a Plague Marine warband or a Noise Marine cult would be pretty darn inclusive, considering they consist of 10000 year old battle brothers (even if some of them actually ages less in the EoT). When you're that old and that elite, I'm not sure you'd be looking for the company of cultist maggots, unless you're Alpha Legion.

That and the legions (aside from alpha and word) operate primarily out of a hell dimension that is anathema to the survival of ordinary humans and do little to cultivate worship on imperial worlds.

I hope the Legions book isn't too god-centric. The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so. I'm not quite clear on how Perturabo's boys feel about it.

Manchu wrote:I hope the Legions book isn't too god-centric. The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so. I'm not quite clear on how Perturabo's boys feel about it.

If that is the case, I hope they use it as an opportunity to veer away from the 'evil for evil's sake' style of Chaos marines, and make them more individualistic types whose ruthlessness and wickedness stems from corruption of their own self-serving drive by the malevolence of the Chaos gods - or even, in fact, driven to acts of brutality and madness by the corrupting nature of the warp itself. Chaos marines as moustache twirling, cardboard cut out villains is dullsville.

His Master's Voice wrote:Really? I would have thought a Plague Marine warband or a Noise Marine cult would be pretty darn inclusive, considering they consist of 10000 year old battle brothers (even if some of them actually ages less in the EoT). When you're that old and that elite, I'm not sure you'd be looking for the company of cultist maggots, unless you're Alpha Legion.

That is actually a very good point. Not one my current army project would like, but a good point nonetheless.

I guess Zombies could be an option for a Death Guard list, but I can see how World Eaters or Black Legion wouldn't have much use for renegade guard stuff. What about Word Bearers? How do they feel about new followers?

Manchu wrote:I hope the Legions book isn't too god-centric. The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so. I'm not quite clear on how Perturabo's boys feel about it.

The 4th Ed CSM codex went this route, I'm pretty tired of it. I want CSM to be true children of Chaos once more. Not saying the Night Lords should be retconned to be like the Word Bearers (their relationship to Chaos should be kept the same and mentioned), but overall I want the Codex to feel like being about Chaos Hordes waging war for the Ruinous Powers and less Pirate Space Marines.

Manchu wrote:I hope the Legions book isn't too god-centric. The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so. I'm not quite clear on how Perturabo's boys feel about it.

The Iron Warriors are basically Space Agnostics and don't like Chaos all that much. If they mutate, they chop off said mutated limb and replace it with bionics. They don't worship the Chaos powers, but they hate the Imperium just the same so they work with them. I don't buy a word that ghost21 says so I sincerely doubt there will be two codices. I'd like to be surprised though.

Harriticus wrote:

Manchu wrote:I hope the Legions book isn't too god-centric. The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so. I'm not quite clear on how Perturabo's boys feel about it.

The 4th Ed CSM codex went this route, I'm pretty tired of it. I want CSM to be true children of Chaos once more. Not saying the Night Lords should be retconned to be like the Word Bearers (their relationship to Chaos should be kept the same and mentioned), but overall I want the Codex to feel like being about Chaos Hordes waging war for the Ruinous Powers and less Pirate Space Marines.

Why can't it be both? Why can't there be a book that is about traitors Space Marines that covers both angles? It's not like it'd require that much space, just reduce the OMG SO AWESOME bits and fill it with something a little more informative and interesting.

That being said, I'd love to see a Lost and the Damned book. Sigh, a man can dream.

Slightly proud of myself by not simply responding to Brother SRM's 'I'd like to be surprised though' with a post simply saying BOO!

htj wrote:
Slightly proud of myself by not simply responding to Brother SRM's 'I'd like to be surprised though' with a post simply saying BOO!

AH!

And I'd be super happy with a LatD codex too. Forgeworld has a few lists that are serviceable, but it's not the same as a dedicated codex from GW with all the model support that can bring.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I don't get this. If they are making a distinction between legions vs renegades and marines vs cultists the cultists should go in the legion book because the legions are pre-Codex Astartes and thus more likely to fight in combined forces. More recent renegades should be more purely SM or more purely IG and not a mixture.

We don't know exactly along what lines they make the distinction. Legions might have "cultists" while Renegades have "traitors" similar yet distinctive delineations. One is more like turned IG than the other. So "cultists" might be a collection of strange characters while Inquisitorial henchmen, available to both groups while "Traitors" are only available to renegades.

Brother SRM wrote:

Manchu wrote:I hope the Legions book isn't too god-centric. The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so. I'm not quite clear on how Perturabo's boys feel about it.

The Iron Warriors are basically Space Agnostics and don't like Chaos all that much. If they mutate, they chop off said mutated limb and replace it with bionics. They don't worship the Chaos powers, but they hate the Imperium just the same so they work with them. I don't buy a word that ghost21 says so I sincerely doubt there will be two codices. I'd like to be surprised though.

The way I always broke it down in order from most chaos to least:
Word Bearers: The true believers, worship all the gods all the time
WE, DG, TS, EC: Cults
Black Legion: Use chaos in all its forms, but ultimately see chaos as a tool for their own glory, not true believers like the word bearers
Night Lords: As the Night Lords are fractured it varies. Some don't like chaos but will dabble if necessary others have been fully corrupted
Iron Warriors: Don't worship, but like binding demons to vehicles, cybernetics, etc.
Alpha Legion: Use cultists for infiltration, subterfuge, but under the current background

Anung Un Rama wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:Really? I would have thought a Plague Marine warband or a Noise Marine cult would be pretty darn inclusive, considering they consist of 10000 year old battle brothers (even if some of them actually ages less in the EoT). When you're that old and that elite, I'm not sure you'd be looking for the company of cultist maggots, unless you're Alpha Legion.

That is actually a very good point. Not one my current army project would like, but a good point nonetheless.

I guess Zombies could be an option for a Death Guard list, but I can see how World Eaters or Black Legion wouldn't have much use for renegade guard stuff. What about Word Bearers? How do they feel about new followers?

Excellent, more cannon fodder! That's how!

Manchu wrote:The Night Lords, for example, seem to eschew any worship at all -- or at least look down on those among them who do so.

The Black Library books that feature them, yes, but I wouldn't put much faith in the Legion Codex having much if anything to do with the fluff in the Black Library books. If the studio wants Night Lords riding the Chaos-worship train, then that's what they'll be doing.

As I've said earlier, I just want Chaos troops to look warped and corrupted as opposed to being normal looking marines with some spiky bits. Ditto vehicles, especially rhinos and land raiders.

I agree with what people said earlier about Imperial troops having loads of codexi (proper plural of codex?) and chaos having none. Not like GW to miss a trick with loads of chaos books.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:As I've said earlier, I just want Chaos troops to look warped and corrupted as opposed to being normal looking marines with some spiky bits. Ditto vehicles, especially rhinos and land raiders.

I agree with what people said earlier about Imperial troops having loads of codexi (proper plural of codex?) and chaos having none. Not like GW to miss a trick with loads of chaos books.

Agree x1000. Rhinos should be entirely different, as should land raiders.

GW will probably never change the CSM box, unfortunately. I would wholeheartedly repurchase my collection if they did. I hate a lot about the CSM box:

Shoulder trim is too blocky and undetailed. They could really do a lot more with it. Look at BA and GK. They have fantastic shoulder pads. inb4 "go buy legion shoulder pads", those are a pain to get, and some nice looking pads out of the box would be great

Leg trim, likewise. In addition, the molds seem to screw up the legs every single time, and the trim is absent in some places.

Heads aren't cool enough. Detail on par with the FW berserkers or even the possessed would be a vast improvement.

Bolters could be more daemonic and scary. They're really just loyalist bolters with skulls and junk on them. The fluff describes them as totally desecrated and virtually unrecognizable

Chainswords and bolt pistols are looking outdated, although the chaos chainswords are probabaly the most unique in the game, an I don't se much to improve beyond the shape of the blade

Ammo and grenade pouches are ugly, and make the model look too chunky. Something can be done with them. I actually like the look of IG grenades on them.

Certain arms are incompatible with each other. Just a matter of labeling the parts on sprue, I guess.