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And seriously: why not play something from the Badab book? You can't complain that it's "not available from anywhere but Forge World", because it's available from here, on GW proper's webstore. If you don't go overboard on some of the 'cheesy' aspects of the Tyrant's Legion list, you likely will not have problems with people playing against it.
Read: You'll be ok as long as you don't beat Little Billy's Marines. Then it's "Cheesy Forgeworld".
It's not like that pile could stand up to grey knights or a well tooled wolves army anyway. Forge world could never come out with something as broken as the scoring palladin unit or the death cult assasin. My space sharks (taken from the badab book) are basically just a poor mans blood angels (I seriously just save points and gain abilities without changing models if I say "these are blood sharks".)
The Badaab war book is hardly OP.
And you hardly got my point.
The point about army legitimacy in forge world suppliments or the point about billies Marines? You're point was a sentence fragment.
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Blitza da warboy wrote:@kanluwen: As to the space wolves part, I did not know about that; although unless the supplement couldnt be used in the later editions, the space wolves still had a codex. About the reply to my second answer, I do agree that much more could be done; but there should be a limit as to what a codex's options could be. The extra is where apocalypse comes in imo. Lastly, what I meant by the badab book being bad, was the price. If they would cost as much as a codex, or at most $50, yeah...thats okay. But $100 is just too much
Not that I'm whining or anything, rather I'm just wish listing (if I'm using the correct term) that the legions codex gets iron warrior (and friends) rules again.
But what I really want to see is a night lord IC...playing Talos o Zho Sahaal would be really badass!
I use the PDF of the badaab war book. Paying 100 dollars for a single page HQ entry is lunacy. They need to couch these things in smaller tomes.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
Kanluwen wrote:And seriously: why not play something from the Badab book? You can't complain that it's "not available from anywhere but Forge World", because it's available from here, on GW proper's webstore. If you don't go overboard on some of the 'cheesy' aspects of the Tyrant's Legion list, you likely will not have problems with people playing against it.
I think that the lists we are going to see in the future will not be as bland as we see now. since its common practice for the developers to look eachother over the shoulder now, i dont think that the over simplified codices we all loathe so much will continue.
however, consider this. The trend of one bad codex in the aftermath of an awesome one might be a marketing ploy by gw and heres why: when a codex is less then amazing players will tend to look into other armies that have a more varied list of options and as their old list falls out of favor they sell off their old models or neglect them. then a shiny codex comes out for their old army that they neglected to death and makes them want to buy the same army allover again....
gw would make most money this way in the long run... but only from dedicated players.
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Castiel wrote:Anyone else apprehensive about the bandwagoning we're might see with the new codex?
That's a little elitist, don't you think? You don't want to be a 40K hipster after all. "Huh, I was into Chaos before it was cool."
No one should be under any illusions that anything connected to wargaming will score you cool points. I mean, it's my hobby and all, but that's the reality of it.
Besides, if anything a Legions book will have a lot of players dusting off their old armies. It used to be that you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a CSM army. Or a live cat, for that matter.
Castiel wrote:Anyone else apprehensive about the bandwagoning we're might see with the new codex?
That's a little elitist, don't you think? You don't want to be a 40K hipster after all. "Huh, I was into Chaos before it was cool."
I don't mean it in that way, I just mean that I'm kind of worried about the flak that might get thrown our way like has happened to Grey Knights, SW etc.
Now i look at it i really would like to see an armylist with new legion specific units in there and IC with rules to make the army more legion orientated
gorgon wrote:
No one should be under any illusions that anything connected to wargaming will score you cool points. I mean, it's my hobby and all, but that's the reality of it.
This. I can just see it.
*Friday night out at a trendy pub somewhere*
Me: So, I just finished painting my new Warhammer HQ.
Girl: You'll never touch me. In fact, you owe me 15 bucks for the handshake I gave you when we met.
Me: It's cool, love. I play Chaos Marines. The new codex, in fact.
Girl: Take me now! Let me be the first of your ever-willing harem, my tyrant of love!
In Boxing matches, you actually get paid to take a dive and make the other guy look good.
In Warhammer 40K, you're expected to pay cash out of your pocket for the privilege of having Marines and IG trample all over your Xenos/Chaos.
MasterSlowPoke wrote:
He doesn't seem to be quoted at all in either the Dakka or Warseer threads. He's mentioned in the header of the Dakka thread but I can't find what he said and when he said it. I suspect he just piggybacked onto Harry's hints.
Not quite.
Spoiler:
The thread you are linking to is one of the newer "Dread Fleet" threads which was started after the advert in the WD article was published.
In the originating rumor thread ("Septemeber Release" thread - so far lost to the pit of Warseers General Discussion I can't find it now :(), both Bramgaunt and Harry had said that a special release was coming out for September. Harry speculated that it could possibly be Blood Bowl.
This speculation started a new thread. Ghost's rumors came out in this thread when people were dicussing "Blood Bowl" as being the potential Secret Release. The thread can be found here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305049
Ghost21 wrote:
Satan wrote:So someone says... start speculating! (Or, preferably, spill the beans!)
Castiel wrote:Anyone else apprehensive about the bandwagoning we're might see with the new codex?
That's a little elitist, don't you think? You don't want to be a 40K hipster after all. "Huh, I was into Chaos before it was cool."
I don't mean it in that way, I just mean that I'm kind of worried about the flak that might get thrown our way like has happened to Grey Knights, SW etc.
And btw, I was hipster before it was cool!
Ah, see I was spared this. I play Sisters of Battle, primarily. Still waitin' for it to be cool... sigh.
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htj wrote:You can always trust a man who quotes himself in his signature.
H.B.M.C. wrote:The only reason the Templars got a Codex is because they had a very powerful sub-list in Codex: Armageddon, it became popular, and GW reckoned they could make more money by spinning them off into a full Codex. Graham McNeil wrote the Codex, it wasn't anywhere near as powerful as the Codex: Armageddon version, and no Graham McNeil no longer writes Codices. Make of that what you will.
I know. I was just responding to the implied argument that 2nd founding Chapters deserve a Codex less than the original Legions. Considering that all the founding members of the second founding were members of the earlier Legions, the history of the second founding Chapters extends as far back as that of the Legions.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
AlmightyWalrus wrote:I know. I was just responding to the implied argument that 2nd founding Chapters deserve a Codex less than the original Legions. Considering that all the founding members of the second founding were members of the earlier Legions, the history of the second founding Chapters extends as far back as that of the Legions.
However it does seem a bit bizarre that the Imperials have 6 when half the bloody Legions went Chaos and have a grand total of....1, eh?
When we're getting to the point were 2nd/3rd/4th/etc foundings are getting codices of their own where 9 of the original Legions are still stuck having to fidget with something that is trying to accomodate Renegades as well it's just a bit silly.
AlmightyWalrus wrote:I know. I was just responding to the implied argument that 2nd founding Chapters deserve a Codex less than the original Legions. Considering that all the founding members of the second founding were members of the earlier Legions, the history of the second founding Chapters extends as far back as that of the Legions.
However it does seem a bit bizarre that the Imperials have 6 when half the bloody Legions went Chaos and have a grand total of....1, eh?
When we're getting to the point were 2nd/3rd/4th/etc foundings are getting codices of their own where 9 of the original Legions are still stuck having to fidget with something that is trying to accomodate Renegades as well it's just a bit silly.
Again, I don't think there's any difference between first and second founding Chapters; third and onward, fine they're not exclusively made up of those who fought during the Heresy, but the 2nd founding Chapters are.
Agree on Chaos deserving more books though.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
MasterSlowPoke wrote:
He doesn't seem to be quoted at all in either the Dakka or Warseer threads. He's mentioned in the header of the Dakka thread but I can't find what he said and when he said it. I suspect he just piggybacked onto Harry's hints.
Not quite.
Spoiler:
The thread you are linking to is one of the newer "Dread Fleet" threads which was started after the advert in the WD article was published.
In the originating rumor thread ("Septemeber Release" thread - so far lost to the pit of Warseers General Discussion I can't find it now :(), both Bramgaunt and Harry had said that a special release was coming out for September. Harry speculated that it could possibly be Blood Bowl.
This speculation started a new thread. Ghost's rumors came out in this thread when people were dicussing "Blood Bowl" as being the potential Secret Release. The thread can be found here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305049
Ghost21 wrote:
Satan wrote:So someone says... start speculating! (Or, preferably, spill the beans!)
Ghost21 wrote:I see no ships *shifty*shifty*shifty*
Hmm... Which eye are you holding the telescope up to, I wonder?
You know, I'm sure there are people who would give their right arm for it to be Man O' War...
but how would i paint the little ships?
Ghost21 wrote:its okay im sure that the its fantasy but not x or y means its something totally unexpected cough cough ..... *shifty*
That's what I was looking for. Interesting. He does seem to be the first person to mention ships. He did seem a bit unsure of it here, though, and I can't find him being any more specific. It's possible that he got a lucky shot in the dark, and judging by how far off the mark he was with the Necron rumors (he totally discounted the Yakface and BoK rumors), I still don't think it's safe to put too much stock in what he hints at.
I think it's worth noting who the regular tipsters are. Ghost has stated he sees things very early in development. When Ghost is the first to post, his rumors are significantly subject to change, including shelving the ideas.
I think other extremely reliable tipsters like Harry and 75Hastings see things at later stages, closer to finished products and therefore more reliable.
I've read posts stating they talked to Ward at Gamesday where he said he was NOT writing Chaos and then looked in Phil Kelly's direction, implying he's the author. GO GO PK
People whose rumors point to "things very early in development" that are "significantly subject to change" should probably not be given much credence in any event. I mean, they could just post a lot of crap and get lucky a few times. It's not terribly hard to have a good guess at what's next and, once you've kept up with the rumor mill for a while, circulate the good ideas that experienced players are clamoring for as your "rumor." I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
People said the same thing about Stickmonkey. If he sees things so far out that they are completely different from the final product, then there is no real need to pay him any heed.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
Bwahahaahaaaa.I will reference this thread when all my wildest CSM dreams actually come true!
Plastic Dread? Raptors? !!!
Hopefully the codex has some of the more recent 'perks', like changing up the FOC, fancy pants special rules like DE and everything else recent, and an open champion system (which I doubt will happen, but it'd be cool)
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Castiel wrote:Anyone else apprehensive about the bandwagoning we're might see with the new codex?
That's a little elitist, don't you think? You don't want to be a 40K hipster after all. "Huh, I was into Chaos before it was cool."
I'm totally going to do that
"Oh, you just picked them up? Yeah, I've been playing them since early 5th edition, back when we had that piece of crap codex. You don't know what I had to put up with back then. At least the plague marines were cool though"
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Castiel wrote:Anyone else apprehensive about the bandwagoning we're might see with the new codex?
That's a little elitist, don't you think? You don't want to be a 40K hipster after all. "Huh, I was into Chaos before it was cool."
I'm totally going to do that
"Oh, you just picked them up? Yeah, I've been playing them since early 5th edition, back when we had that piece of crap codex. You don't know what I had to put up with back then. At least the plague marines were cool though"
BITCH PLEASE!
I was playing them since 3rd Edition ,when the MoK gave a +1 in Strength and Rubics Marines was totally immune to shoots with a Strength of 4 or less...
All this Minor Gods rumors...i call BS on it.
GW allready has difficulty's to make proper and interessting rules and equipments for 4 Gods...so adding 4 more...
Also the bit about Ward being into the Chaos Dex is also BS, Ward confirmed himself at a GD that he won't Work on the Chaos dex.
Phil Kelly is the one that works on it.
But its true that maybe given a few more years Ward fluff could be good or at least decent...,because i've read the Necron dex, and apart from a few things,the fluff is a bit better then it was with the GK's...
If anything, I'd expect "Minor Gods" to be some sort of singular generic "Other" option... Although GW doesn't seem to like stuff like that at the moment.
Working on someting you'll either love or hate. Hopefully to be revealed by November.
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Samus_aran115 wrote:
"Oh, you just picked them up? Yeah, I've been playing them since early 5th edition, back when we had that piece of crap codex. You don't know what I had to put up with back then. At least the plague marines were cool though"
I was playing them since 3rd Edition ,when the MoK gave a +1 in Strength and Rubics Marines was totally immune to shoots with a Strength of 4 or less...
I'm always amazed at how young some of you must be.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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