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AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is this, I don't even? Did you just call Dark Angels and Black Templars OP?

Yeah bring out the two oldest books, but they are still more capable than the baseline SM codex. Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Blood Angels. All full of stupid special rules and exceptions to make them crazy. Posting in between meetings and stopped mid thought and came back and picked up past where I had stopped instead of where I stopped. Don't consider DA or Templars OP. Doh!

Skriker

Skriker wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is this, I don't even? Did you just call Dark Angels and Black Templars OP?

Yeah bring out the two oldest books, but they are still more capable than the baseline SM codex. Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Blood Angels. All full of stupid special rules and exceptions to make them crazy. Posting in between meetings and stopped mid thought and came back and picked up past where I had stopped instead of where I stopped. Don't consider DA or Templars OP. Doh!

Skriker

Its ok man lol, you can get to call them OP when the new one is out... here is a sad thought though, GW like to use DA as the test bed for C:SM, so it may be the new editions version of ballanced and not be OP at all

Both DA and BT benefited HUGELY from the FAQs - they got the new rules without the limitations.

BT Terminator squads can put out a hellish amount of firepower as they get the old 2 for 5 deal

Formosa wrote:Its ok man lol, you can get to call them OP when the new one is out... here is a sad thought though, GW like to use DA as the test bed for C:SM, so it may be the new editions version of ballanced and not be OP at all

Which is funny, because they seem to *start* balanced and then by the end of an edition everything is just insane again...hahahaha

Skriker

rigeld2 wrote:

DragonRider wrote:I don't understand why everyone thinks GK is OP. I still haven't lost to GK and I play 'Nids.

Care to share a batrep and/or lists?
Not that I'm questioning you, I just always want to learn.

Ymgarls. For some reason, they always do really well against GK.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Both DA and BT benefited HUGELY from the FAQs - they got the new rules without the limitations.

BT Terminator squads can put out a hellish amount of firepower as they get the old 2 for 5 deal

Yes, both BT and DA now have a fighting chance (just saying though, while a good unit, double Cyclone Tank Hunter Terminators pay for it). Neither of the two Codices are in the

Skriker wrote:top levels of OP competitiveness

Skriker wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is this, I don't even? Did you just call Dark Angels and Black Templars OP?

Yeah bring out the two oldest books, but they are still more capable than the baseline SM codex. Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Blood Angels. All full of stupid special rules and exceptions to make them crazy. Posting in between meetings and stopped mid thought and came back and picked up past where I had stopped instead of where I stopped. Don't consider DA or Templars OP. Doh!
Skriker

To be fair, I didn't "bring up" anything, you included all variant Space Marine Codices in your statement, I pointed out how silly a statement that was.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Both DA and BT benefited HUGELY from the FAQs - they got the new rules without the limitations.

BT Terminator squads can put out a hellish amount of firepower as they get the old 2 for 5 deal

Yes, both BT and DA now have a fighting chance (just saying though, while a good unit, double Cyclone Tank Hunter Terminators pay for it). Neither of the two Codices are in the

Skriker wrote:top levels of OP competitiveness

Skriker wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What is this, I don't even? Did you just call Dark Angels and Black Templars OP?

Yeah bring out the two oldest books, but they are still more capable than the baseline SM codex. Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Blood Angels. All full of stupid special rules and exceptions to make them crazy. Posting in between meetings and stopped mid thought and came back and picked up past where I had stopped instead of where I stopped. Don't consider DA or Templars OP. Doh!
Skriker

To be fair, I didn't "bring up" anything, you included all variant Space Marine Codices in your statement, I pointed out how silly a statement that was.

here is an example of why DA are not one of the best books (i agree with you btw) when people refer to Dark angels, notice they always mention Deathwing only... we have 1 build (and variations on that 1 build) and its DW, mono ravenwing is beaten by C:SM and so is greenwing, I will behappy if in the new book we get Sternguard termies (and bloody C:SM doesnt get them lol) i want new toys that no other marine chapter gets, if this relentless rumour turns out true.. imagine how nasty a 10 man unit of sternguard termies would do... 3 shots from a storm bolter... yikes

Some people seem to forget that not all GK players are good ones sure they have a competitive list but it is the players skill as well.

Goop wrote:Some people seem to forget that not all GK players are good ones sure they have a competitive list but it is the players skill as well.

Absolutely true, skill is a factor, however the more the scale is ballanced in the favor of a certain army the less skill matters, but it is a ballancing act, i have beaten GK and SW with my Greenwing but thats because i forced them to play my game and i have been beaten by GK and SW newbs simply because i couldnt bring such cost effective units to the field, but this is the fault of the GK and SW dex and poor internal ballance.

In short what im saying is skill only matters in a ballanced enviroment, when something is heavily stacked in your favor, skill matters less.


the best example is CoD and the (massive amount on the Xbox) cheaters who use an aimbot or one of those funky pads, you may be an excelent player, but when someone doesnt even need to aim at you to get a headshot it doesnt matter as much, as the odds are so heavily stacked against you, however when you manage to kill this pratt, you feel like you have done well lol

(note: not calling GK players cheats and pratts, just CoD players who cheat)

Formosa wrote:
(note: not calling GK players cheats and pratts, just CoD players who cheat)

So you're calling GK players CoD players who cheat?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Formosa wrote:
(note: not calling GK players cheats and pratts, just CoD players who cheat)

So you're calling GK players CoD players who cheat?

Lol i knew someone would say something like this, but i get the joke dont worry lol


No its nothing to do with CoD or anything, thats just an analogy for having odds stacked against you from the start, now the New rumoured rules seem to be helping this issue a little.

Now in 5th GK were OP, in 6th... lets see

but regardless of edition 5 missile launchers for 140pts (10pts less than C:SM but +1 missile) is bloody dim, dont blame the players though.. blame the codex

 Reivax26 wrote:
Its not that I have a problem using them and they keep overheating its the whole idea that in the 41st millenium they haven't figured out how to keep it from happening. The Tau at least smartened up a bit and decided to lower the power on theirs so they wouldn't but it still is quite silly that the rule exists at all.

Actually they did work it out but the information was lost. Look at the leman russ executioner tank. A 3 shot plasma cannon that doesn't get hot. Back in the time of the GC every guardsman had a non-overheating plasma gun. If you want plasma guns that don't get hot then tell the orks and nids to stop raiding IG plasma research facilities.

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