So your opponent unpacks his IG...

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**DarkHound**

...and he mentions its an Armored Battlegroup. He's not a friend of yours, just a random guy at the store. How do you react? This applies for any of the Forgeworld armies, like the Red Scorpions or Death Korp of Krieg. Personally, I'm fine with it so long as the flyers or larger super-heavies are exluded.

**Culler**

Anything that's not super cheesy or flyers/superheavies I'm fine with. When you start introducing flyers and superheavies into regular 40k you reall screw with the balance.

**Slarg232**

As long as he is just using the standard list, or asks me about using the apocolypse rules before hand, I'm game for anything.

but if he expects to just walk out with a baneblade..... yeah, no

**AKGator**

Hell I'll fight anything you throw at me. It just gives me a chance to learn how to destroy them.

**hawkeye**

Smile, since I play Dark Eldar.

**Kanluwen**

Well, considering Superheavies exist in no list other than "A superheavy vehicle is part of a separate Force Organization Chart that is taken with opponent's permission, provided the main FOC is over 2000 points and meets all the necessary requirements"...you don't really have to worry about superheavies to begin with.

**Slarg232**

Kanluwen wrote:Well, considering Superheavies exist in no list other than "A superheavy vehicle is part of a separate Force Organization Chart that is taken with opponent's permission, provided the main FOC is over 2000 points and meets all the necessary requirements"...you don't really have to worry about superheavies to begin with.

my bro once took a baneblade in a 1000pt game..... i slapped him for it, but still

**don_mondo**

I'll agree as long as there are no flyers./super-heavies. I've played my standard all-comers IG against the old Armoured Company on several occasions in turnies. No biggie. Game on!

**Kanluwen**

Slarg232 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Well, considering Superheavies exist in no list other than "A superheavy vehicle is part of a separate Force Organization Chart that is taken with opponent's permission, provided the main FOC is over 2000 points and meets all the necessary requirements"...you don't really have to worry about superheavies to begin with.

my bro once took a baneblade in a 1000pt game..... i slapped him for it, but still

Was it an Apocalypse game? Were there special scenario rules in effect stating that one player was only to field a superheavy?

If the answer in either case is "No", then you should have just said the aforementioned "No" and gone from there.

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

Im game for anything really. I can kill a baneblade, probably lose as a result of focusing on it, but still, its dead. And turrets aren't all that bad. Fliers are an issue with me though, I'm not a fan.

**Captain Shrike**

i'm fine with anything, but if they bring apoc stuff I'll bring mine.

**H.B.M.C.**

I'll play anything within reason. Certain things like Flyers and stuff that exists outside of the regular rules, that would require some forewarning, but otherwise I'm fine. Most FW items suck anyway from a rules perspective, so it's not like they'll be getting much an advantage out of them.

Kanluwen wrote:Well, considering Superheavies exist in no list other than "A superheavy vehicle is part of a separate Force Organization Chart that is taken with opponent's permission, provided the main FOC is over 2000 points and meets all the necessary requirements"...you don't really have to worry about superheavies to begin with.

Where's that quote from?

**Shadowbrand**

I'm fine with anything really.

I've fought Stompas with just 1000 points a few times.

**Cannerus_The_Unbearable**

One of my last pickup games the guy through a Baneblade in because I let him. It did jack crap the entire game. They really aren't that "broken" IMO.

**Scott-S6**

I was massively underwhelmed with the Armoured Battlegroup list.

A couple of the tank crew skills are good but I'd rather be able to take vet squads instead of armoured fist squads.

If russ's had been scoring it might have been cool but as it is the list just falls a bit flat although it would work a bit better at very high point levels.

I ended up using the regular codex to build my tank army.

**Skarboy**

At some point, I'll have a Stompa, so it'd give me a chance to use it. Prior to that, though, probably try to talk him out of it.

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll play anything within reason. Certain things like Flyers and stuff that exists outside of the regular rules, that would require some forewarning, but otherwise I'm fine. Most FW items suck anyway from a rules perspective, so it's not like they'll be getting much an advantage out of them.

Kanluwen wrote:Well, considering Superheavies exist in no list other than "A superheavy vehicle is part of a separate Force Organization Chart that is taken with opponent's permission, provided the main FOC is over 2000 points and meets all the necessary requirements"...you don't really have to worry about superheavies to begin with.

Where's that quote from?

Imperial Armour Volume I. Admittedly, I did a bad job paraphrasing it as the exact quote is:

Imperial Armour I: Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy; page 274 wrote:
Super-Heavy Tanks fight in their own 'army', fighting alongside another army as a separate detachment, as described in the 40k rules. In addition, you may only include one Super-Heavy Tank detachment for each 'normal' detachment that you field. This limits the use of Super-Heavy Tanks to large games of over 2000 points, as is appropriate for such rare and potentially devastating machines. Of course, players that wish to may ignore this restriction and use Super-Heavy Tanks in smaller games,b ut only if they get their opponent's consent first. Super-Heavy Tanks may only be used in tournament games if the tournament instructions specifically say they may be used.

Super-Heavy Tank detachments and Super-heavy Flyer detachments consist of up to three machines of (more or less) the same type. Baneblades and Shadowswords are considered similar enough to be mixed into the same detachment, as are Marauders and Marauder Destroyers.

Even if the rules are 'outdated', it's still a fairly good guideline to work from.

**H.B.M.C.**

Kanluwen wrote:Admittedly, I did a bad job paraphrasing it...

You did, as you added:

"...that is taken with opponent's permission..."

Which is not present in the rule.

Super-Heavies do not require opponent's permission. Nothing in IA does. Permission is only required for the purposes of tournaments and events.

**Kanluwen**

Actually, in this case it works perfectly. Read the rule I quoted.

Of course, players that wish to may ignore this restriction and use Super-Heavy Tanks in smaller games,but only if they get their opponent's consent first.

**H.B.M.C.**

That's the restriction to bring super-heavies in games smaller than 2000 points, not to bring them in the first place.

**Kanluwen**

Not seeing a real difference there, especially taking the "separate force organization chart" bit into account.

Either way, it's still polite to inform someone you're using a non-standard list or unit choice, especially for pick-up games.

**H.B.M.C.**

I'm not saying you shouldn't be polite, I'm saying that the rules do not require you to have permission to bring Super-Heavies at 2000+ points.

**Kanluwen**

*shrug* Always figured it was another typo by Forge World frankly.

But how many people do you know who'd let you just show up with multiple FOCs for a pick-up game anyways?

**Monster Rain**

Talk about having all your eggs in one basket!

I wouldn't have a problem with it. I have so much melta in my lists it wouldn't be pretty to focus it all on one tank, superheavy or not...

**H.B.M.C.**

Can't be a typo given that my main man Warwick explains it even more clearly in IA2, saying that IA rules do not require permission (other than the usual ones for Tournaments/events/etc.) but that it is probably best to let people know.

And no one does, but if someone showed up for a 2000+ point pick up game with a Baneblade in tow, complaining about it won't help as they're doing nothing illegal.

**starbomber109**

I'm fine with IA stuff, as long as he lets me see the book, or explains all the stuff to me.

And as long as he doesn't bring six of those stupid drill pod things...

**JohnHwangDD**

DarkHound wrote:...and he mentions its an Armored Battlegroup.

If we're playing Apoc, all good.

If I've brought my IG Armor, I'll simply ask to play the same - I've got *plenty* Ordnance of my own.

If I weren't geared up for it, then I'd ask him to simply play a "normal" (Tank-heavy) Guard list. Swapping a couple tanks for 25 Guardsmen shouldn't be a big deal for any IG-based player.

Or at least, insist on an Objectives game.

**Maelstrom808**

I'd be a little miffed if he didn't ask if it was okay if he used the Armored Battlegroup setup when the offer of a game was brought up, but I'd still play him. That's also assuming that you were talking about a plain vanilla 40k game.

**Ed_Bodger**

I'm fine with him pulling out flyers and a Banblade as long as I can pull out my Imperator Titan

On a serious note apart from flyers which unless you have something specific to deal with them are a problem then I couldn't care less what they pull out if you want to mess with force organisation then there will be a lot of LR cheese coming your way to balance it.

**Scott-S6**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
DarkHound wrote:...and he mentions its an Armored Battlegroup.

If we're playing Apoc, all good.

If I've brought my IG Armor, I'll simply ask to play the same - I've got *plenty* Ordnance of my own.

If I weren't geared up for it, then I'd ask him to simply play a "normal" (Tank-heavy) Guard list. Swapping a couple tanks for 25 Guardsmen shouldn't be a big deal for any IG-based player.

Or at least, insist on an Objectives game.

Stick with your regular list - do you want to swap vets for armoured fist squads? With PCS's taking up elite slots? The AB list isn't great.