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Maybe they were blanks and when the Emperor found out he purged all records to keep everyone from learning about the C'Tan, particularly the Tech-Priests

Yes, the LoD are from the FireHawks, but there is nothing definitive that says the Blood Ravens are 1k Sons succesors, just fun speculation.

As to the OP, it is interesting that at least Dorn seems to know that there is some way to access the lost legions, making them appear as if they aren't totally lost. But Malcador insists they are lost so perhaps the highest authority (the Emprah) ordered them to be forgotten and only the primarchs were privy to why or would dare to try to recontact them.

Well maybe the 2 lost primarchs had the potential to become more powerfull then the emperor. The emperor knew it and killed/banished them and their legions then removed all information about them. So that the human population did not lose trust in their leader.

Or the emperor stationed 2 whole legions and their primarchs at 2 key locations in or out the galaxy. Places so important that recalling them from there would make the heresy look like a bar brawl. And if the public knew what they were guarding galactic uprising would ensue. Bringing the imperium down.

idget wrote:Maybe they were blanks and when the Emperor found out he purged all records to keep everyone from learning about the C'Tan, particularly the Tech-Priests

They most certainly are 'Blanks', but not necessarily in the manner you are suggesting.

Blanks are a Sf/Fantacist term for an area of the plot deliberately let vacant in order to form an air of mystery. A goodf blank is sert up from the beginning and never used. Since the dawn of role playing Blansks also exist so that fans can create their own histories within the blanks without treading on th toes of the main IP. What is in a blank might be nothing or something game breakingly powerful, but it can only break your game, it cannot destroy the internal consistency is blanking is used.

The lost Primarchs are and were Blanks. Mysteries in the plot and at the same time room for 'create your own'.

"Horus realized he would have to hurry his attacks in order to secure Terra in time for him to set up the defenses sufficiently to prevent the arrival of two loyal Space Marine legions which could potentially turn the balance back in the favor of the Emperor."

Would have any help in the situation ?

To be honest I thought GW made the 2 missing ones so that you could make your own legion and it could be good or bad (9 traitors, 9 loyalist) so good add 1 to each.

That was the way I had always thought of it, that they were left in for fans to make their own legion and backstory.

Ironhide wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:40k Canon seems to say that the two missing legions and primarchs are lost.

But are they?

I'm reading Mechanicum right now, and in the Emperor's Palace, Dorn and the Sigilite are discussing Horus' treachery. The Sigilite says, "You have thirteen legions to Horus' three."

Dorn muses outloud and says, "I would fee so much better with fifteen legions...."

And the Sigilite says, "Don't even dare think it. They're lost to us forever."

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That makes it sound as if the other two legions COULD be recalled or used, that their fate is known, but that there is something terribly wrong with them.

20 legions were created. Two were lost, thus making it 18 legions. Dorn has 13 legions to Horus' 3, which equals 16. I believe the two legions Dorn is thinking about is the Thousand Sons and Space Wolves. Thousand Sons broke the Council of Nikea, and the Space Wolves were sent to snuff them out.

With the force disposition (13 to 3), this is before the Isstvan Dropsite Massacres.
given the dialogue, it's almost certainly the two lost legions Dorn refers to. The two legions not in Dorn's count (13+3=16) are probably the Thousand Sons and either the Space Wolves or Dark Angels, depending on whether this conversation occurs before or after the Space Wolves are sent for Magnus

The Sons of Horus, World Eaters, and Emperor's Children were known traitors on Isstvan V
These are Horus's 3 that Dorn speaks of

The Death Guard were currently in the Warp, infected by the Destroyer Hive and swearing themselves to Nurgle. News of this had not reached the Imperium yet.
This makes one believed to be loyal

The Iron Hands, Salamanders, and Raven Guard were loyalists who would be deployed to (and massacred on) Isstvan V
This makes four believed loyal

The Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion were the unknown traitors deployed to Isstvan V
This makes eight believed loyal

The Imperial Fists were garrisoned on Terra and other worlds
Nine loyal

The White Scars, Blood Angels, Ultramarines, were on campaign, but were near enough to arrive at Terra if they were not significantly delayed.
Twelve loyal

If the conversation occurs before Leman Russ is sent to Prospero, the thirteenth "loyal" legion is the Space Wolves, since they are near Terra (because the Emperor sends them to Prospero immediately)

If it is after the Wolves are sic'ed on Magnus, then the thirteenth is the Dark Angels, as the only reason they don't arrive on Terra in time (even though they were the farthest away) is the Night Lords intercept and delay them, inflicting heavy casualties. The Wolves are off chasing Magnus and licking their wounds from Prospero so they won't be effective reinforcements



Bit lengthy I know, but the question really got me wondering. I've got a whole list of what the Legions were doing http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/297408.page here that I compiled to figure this out

SonofTerra wrote:Yes... but neither of those two (well the wolves at least) were lost to them forever, so the Sigilte was probably already taking them into account

Unless the Sigilite didn't think the SW were coming back. If Magnus had told his legion of their impending doom, instead of accepting his fate, the battle would have gone a completely different way. Magnus himself said he would rather only one legion die, so the other may live.

My own thoughts have always been kind of wishlisty that the two legions are doing the 'unthinkable' in Imperial society - working with Xenos. One with the Eldar, the Other With the Necrons - devoted to the study and understanding of the Xenos way in fighting the greatest of enemies, chaos.

Of course, why they weren't recalled during the heresy is an interesting note to that- I've always wanted them to emerge on the eve of the final, most terrible assault of the 'end time' by chaos (and perhaps the nids as well - since being sandwiched between both has to be gakky, and pretty much spell doom) and leading makind to victory, in a Dunesque version of a 'grand vision'.

Either that, or the Emperor really did foresee everything that would happen, heresy included, and decided to pull out two legion under mysterious circumstances, hide 'em someplace safe to build up their forces for 10 or 20 thousand years and then emerge as the reconquering armies of a resurrected Emperor of Mankind, or even the progeny of the Emperor - perhaos a beig born of a union of love, and not merely the psychic potential of all of earths then present shamans and psykers has the true ability to lead mankind into galactic dominance, and utopia


or they just got lost in the warp foreverz, and that's embarrassing.

Guys, I’ve been in the GW hobby since it began in the 80’s and know quite a bit on the background and why things are. First of all, a large amount of the founders of GW were Historical Gamers, so were the players. If you looked at the CV’s of the original GW staff, I bet a lot studied History. When the time came to invent 40k, the backgrounds of most of the races were a mix of real life historical races and Warhammer Races. The inventors drew upon there own historical background and knowledge to create the rich and diverse 40k background we have today. The Space Marines are no exception.

The SM’s background, is based off the Ancient Roman Legions, to which Emperor Caesar and Mark Antony founded, and guess what? There were 20 of them. By the time Agustas came to be the Sole Ruler (30BC) there were many other Legions, to which he disbanded around 50. The Original Legions were:

1. Legio I Germanica
2. Legio II Sabina
3. Legio III Cyrenaica
4. Legio III Gallica
5. Legio IV Macedonica
6. Legio IV Scythica
7. Legio V Alaudae
8. Legio VI Ferrata
9. Legio VII Claudia
10. Legio VIII Augusta:
11. Legio IX Hispana
12. Legio X Equestris, also known as X Equestris
13. Legio X Veneria
14. Legio X Fretensis
15. Legio XI: 58–45 BC, Julius Caesar
16. Legio XII Victrix
17. Legio XII Antiqua
18. Legio XIII Gemina:
19. Legio XVIII Libyca
20. Legio XXX Classica

Now, why are there 18 SM Legions and 2 ‘unknown’ Legions? GW always stated this was so hobbyists could essentially create their own Legions. However, a little more historical references could reveal the true reason………………

At the Revolt of Batvia, the Batavians managed to destroy 2 of the above Legions down to the last man, thus completely erasing them from history! One was Legio V and I can’t remember the other one, think it may have been Legio I. In addition to the 2 destroyed Legions, at least 9 were either disbanded or reconstituted by a mix of Emperor Caesar, and Agustas (and we have 9 Traitor Legions). If you actually read up on the Legions, some had specialities which mirror some of the backgrounds of the SM Legions, E.g., Legio X Equestris was a purely mounted Legion, only fighting from horseback and only fielding cavalry from their Legion – White Scars anyone?

Now I am not saying that GW copied the Roman Legions when creating the SM’s, but given the backgrounds of the people who created the 40k universe back then, historical references to the Roman Army was certainly heavily drawn upon.

And as I own a company of Legion of the Damned, I can confirm that they are the remnants of the Fire Hawks Chapter who were lost in the Warp and contracted a disease.

TheSecretSquig wrote:Guys, I’ve been in the GW hobby since it began in the 80’s and know quite a bit on the background and why things are. First of all, a large amount of the founders of GW were Historical Gamers, so were the players. If you looked at the CV’s of the original GW staff, I bet a lot studied History. When the time came to invent 40k, the backgrounds of most of the races were a mix of real life historical races and Warhammer Races. The inventors drew upon there own historical background and knowledge to create the rich and diverse 40k background we have today. The Space Marines are no exception.

The SM’s background, is based off the Ancient Roman Legions, to which Emperor Caesar and Mark Antony founded, and guess what? There were 20 of them. By the time Agustas came to be the Sole Ruler (30BC) there were many other Legions, to which he disbanded around 50. The Original Legions were:

1. Legio I Germanica
2. Legio II Sabina
3. Legio III Cyrenaica
4. Legio III Gallica
5. Legio IV Macedonica
6. Legio IV Scythica
7. Legio V Alaudae
8. Legio VI Ferrata
9. Legio VII Claudia
10. Legio VIII Augusta:
11. Legio IX Hispana
12. Legio X Equestris, also known as X Equestris
13. Legio X Veneria
14. Legio X Fretensis
15. Legio XI: 58–45 BC, Julius Caesar
16. Legio XII Victrix
17. Legio XII Antiqua
18. Legio XIII Gemina:
19. Legio XVIII Libyca
20. Legio XXX Classica

Now, why are there 18 SM Legions and 2 ‘unknown’ Legions? GW always stated this was so hobbyists could essentially create their own Legions. However, a little more historical references could reveal the true reason………………

At the Revolt of Batvia, the Batavians managed to destroy 2 of the above Legions down to the last man, thus completely erasing them from history! One was Legio V and I can’t remember the other one, think it may have been Legio I. In addition to the 2 destroyed Legions, at least 9 were either disbanded or reconstituted by a mix of Emperor Caesar, and Agustas (and we have 9 Traitor Legions). If you actually read up on the Legions, some had specialities which mirror some of the backgrounds of the SM Legions, E.g., Legio X Equestris was a purely mounted Legion, only fighting from horseback and only fielding cavalry from their Legion – White Scars anyone?

Now I am not saying that GW copied the Roman Legions when creating the SM’s, but given the backgrounds of the people who created the 40k universe back then, historical references to the Roman Army was certainly heavily drawn upon.

And as I own a company of Legion of the Damned, I can confirm that they are the remnants of the Fire Hawks Chapter who were lost in the Warp and contracted a disease.

Just curious, but I thought it was the Roman 9th Legion that got destroyed? Generally, the tale goes that they were ambushed in Scotland, though nowadays it's accepted that they were most likely destroyed during a revolt in Judea.

Interesting. Would have been cool if the two destroyed Roman legions matched the SM lost ones.

I know the mystery of the two missing legions.

So if youre sitting comfortably i will begin.
A long time ago a small british company invented a strange game with "knights" and aliens in it, they even went on to invent numerous alien races and a potential 20 different "knight" legions and all was well in the world. that was until mr X stood up and said "what happens, if in the future we become a big multinational company with a massive fan base?" well understandably everyone was stunned, a big multinational british company in the 80's ha what a joke. so mr Y stood up and said whilst trying to stifle the giggles "i know we will strike the 2nd and 11th "knight legion of the list this will allow both us to produce more ideas when neccesary and will give all the future fanboys out there something to discuss and discuss even though there is no real answer" everyone was in agreement so warhammer 40k was born

THE END

TheSecretSquig wrote:Guys, I’ve been in the GW hobby since it began in the 80’s and know quite a bit on the background and why things are. First of all, a large amount of the founders of GW were Historical Gamers, so were the players. If you looked at the CV’s of the original GW staff, I bet a lot studied History. When the time came to invent 40k, the backgrounds of most of the races were a mix of real life historical races and Warhammer Races. The inventors drew upon there own historical background and knowledge to create the rich and diverse 40k background we have today. The Space Marines are no exception.

The SM’s background, is based off the Ancient Roman Legions, to which Emperor Caesar and Mark Antony founded, and guess what? There were 20 of them. By the time Agustas came to be the Sole Ruler (30BC) there were many other Legions, to which he disbanded around 50. The Original Legions were:

1. Legio I Germanica
2. Legio II Sabina
3. Legio III Cyrenaica
4. Legio III Gallica
5. Legio IV Macedonica
6. Legio IV Scythica
7. Legio V Alaudae
8. Legio VI Ferrata
9. Legio VII Claudia
10. Legio VIII Augusta:
11. Legio IX Hispana
12. Legio X Equestris, also known as X Equestris
13. Legio X Veneria
14. Legio X Fretensis
15. Legio XI: 58–45 BC, Julius Caesar
16. Legio XII Victrix
17. Legio XII Antiqua
18. Legio XIII Gemina:
19. Legio XVIII Libyca
20. Legio XXX Classica

Now, why are there 18 SM Legions and 2 ‘unknown’ Legions? GW always stated this was so hobbyists could essentially create their own Legions. However, a little more historical references could reveal the true reason………………

At the Revolt of Batvia, the Batavians managed to destroy 2 of the above Legions down to the last man, thus completely erasing them from history! One was Legio V and I can’t remember the other one, think it may have been Legio I. In addition to the 2 destroyed Legions, at least 9 were either disbanded or reconstituted by a mix of Emperor Caesar, and Agustas (and we have 9 Traitor Legions). If you actually read up on the Legions, some had specialities which mirror some of the backgrounds of the SM Legions, E.g., Legio X Equestris was a purely mounted Legion, only fighting from horseback and only fielding cavalry from their Legion – White Scars anyone?

Now I am not saying that GW copied the Roman Legions when creating the SM’s, but given the backgrounds of the people who created the 40k universe back then, historical references to the Roman Army was certainly heavily drawn upon.

And as I own a company of Legion of the Damned, I can confirm that they are the remnants of the Fire Hawks Chapter who were lost in the Warp and contracted a disease.

Why are there several Legios with the same unit number designation? For example, there are 3 Legio X.

chub wrote:I know the mystery of the two missing legions.

So if youre sitting comfortably i will begin.
A long time ago a small british company invented a strange game with "knights" and aliens in it, they even went on to invent numerous alien races and a potential 20 different "knight" legions and all was well in the world. that was until mr X stood up and said "what happens, if in the future we become a big multinational company with a massive fan base?" well understandably everyone was stunned, a big multinational british company in the 80's ha what a joke. so mr Y stood up and said whilst trying to stifle the giggles "i know we will strike the 2nd and 11th "knight legion of the list this will allow both us to produce more ideas when neccesary and will give all the future fanboys out there something to discuss and discuss even though there is no real answer" everyone was in agreement so warhammer 40k was born

THE END

nope, space tigers.

Ironhide wrote:

TheSecretSquig wrote:Guys, I’ve been in the GW hobby since it began in the 80’s and know quite a bit on the background and why things are. First of all, a large amount of the founders of GW were Historical Gamers, so were the players. If you looked at the CV’s of the original GW staff, I bet a lot studied History. When the time came to invent 40k, the backgrounds of most of the races were a mix of real life historical races and Warhammer Races. The inventors drew upon there own historical background and knowledge to create the rich and diverse 40k background we have today. The Space Marines are no exception.

The SM’s background, is based off the Ancient Roman Legions, to which Emperor Caesar and Mark Antony founded, and guess what? There were 20 of them. By the time Agustas came to be the Sole Ruler (30BC) there were many other Legions, to which he disbanded around 50. The Original Legions were:

1. Legio I Germanica
2. Legio II Sabina
3. Legio III Cyrenaica
4. Legio III Gallica
5. Legio IV Macedonica
6. Legio IV Scythica
7. Legio V Alaudae
8. Legio VI Ferrata
9. Legio VII Claudia
10. Legio VIII Augusta:
11. Legio IX Hispana
12. Legio X Equestris, also known as X Equestris
13. Legio X Veneria
14. Legio X Fretensis
15. Legio XI: 58–45 BC, Julius Caesar
16. Legio XII Victrix
17. Legio XII Antiqua
18. Legio XIII Gemina:
19. Legio XVIII Libyca
20. Legio XXX Classica

Now, why are there 18 SM Legions and 2 ‘unknown’ Legions? GW always stated this was so hobbyists could essentially create their own Legions. However, a little more historical references could reveal the true reason………………

At the Revolt of Batvia, the Batavians managed to destroy 2 of the above Legions down to the last man, thus completely erasing them from history! One was Legio V and I can’t remember the other one, think it may have been Legio I. In addition to the 2 destroyed Legions, at least 9 were either disbanded or reconstituted by a mix of Emperor Caesar, and Agustas (and we have 9 Traitor Legions). If you actually read up on the Legions, some had specialities which mirror some of the backgrounds of the SM Legions, E.g., Legio X Equestris was a purely mounted Legion, only fighting from horseback and only fielding cavalry from their Legion – White Scars anyone?

Now I am not saying that GW copied the Roman Legions when creating the SM’s, but given the backgrounds of the people who created the 40k universe back then, historical references to the Roman Army was certainly heavily drawn upon.

And as I own a company of Legion of the Damned, I can confirm that they are the remnants of the Fire Hawks Chapter who were lost in the Warp and contracted a disease.

Why are there several Legios with the same unit number designation? For example, there are 3 Legio X.

Different area assignations?

Orlanth wrote:

idget wrote:Maybe they were blanks and when the Emperor found out he purged all records to keep everyone from learning about the C'Tan, particularly the Tech-Priests

They most certainly are 'Blanks', but not necessarily in the manner you are suggesting.

Blanks are a Sf/Fantacist term for an area of the plot deliberately let vacant in order to form an air of mystery. A goodf blank is sert up from the beginning and never used. Since the dawn of role playing Blansks also exist so that fans can create their own histories within the blanks without treading on th toes of the main IP. What is in a blank might be nothing or something game breakingly powerful, but it can only break your game, it cannot destroy the internal consistency is blanking is used.

The lost Primarchs are and were Blanks. Mysteries in the plot and at the same time room for 'create your own'.

When i say 'blanks' I mean blanks in the warp
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blanks

A legion of blanks is cool, but kinda creepy man. I do so hope that one day we're given some more fluff of the lost legions. Hopefully one of them will be anthropomorpic lizards.

Previously, when these discussions came up, at some point someone would always say something about back in the dwan of time one of the founding fathers of GW left, and he held the copyright to the two missing legions (IIRC, one was called the Rainbow Warriors, of all things), so GW had to remove them from the official background and chose the "all records expunged" route.

I like the Roman Legions comparison though - it does sound awfully plausible.

@ CommanderFarsight: Old fluff has the SW and DA travelling to Terra together after the SW sacking of Prospero, and the only reason they're too late is that Jonson insisted they stop en route several times to secure ket Imperial worlds that had revolted.
And "in time" is relative, anyway; old fluff also has Horus not committing to his gambit until news of the Wolves and Dark Angels' impending arrival reaches him - so they would always have been too late, as it's their arrival which triggers the sequence of events leading to Sanguinius' death and the Emperor's Ascension.

IMO, he was right to be scared ; even though after the wolves' and angels' arrival he'd still have more Legions on site than the Loyalists, he'd be caught between two fronts, and have the two most dangerous Legions (to him - Russ and Jonson were only surpassed by Horus in vistory tally during the Crusades, presumably because Horus was found earlier ) in his rear end.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if this gets retconned.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Ironhide wrote:

TheSecretSquig wrote:Guys, I’ve been in the GW hobby since it began in the 80’s and know quite a bit on the background and why things are. First of all, a large amount of the founders of GW were Historical Gamers, so were the players. If you looked at the CV’s of the original GW staff, I bet a lot studied History. When the time came to invent 40k, the backgrounds of most of the races were a mix of real life historical races and Warhammer Races. The inventors drew upon there own historical background and knowledge to create the rich and diverse 40k background we have today. The Space Marines are no exception.

The SM’s background, is based off the Ancient Roman Legions, to which Emperor Caesar and Mark Antony founded, and guess what? There were 20 of them. By the time Agustas came to be the Sole Ruler (30BC) there were many other Legions, to which he disbanded around 50. The Original Legions were:

1. Legio I Germanica
2. Legio II Sabina
3. Legio III Cyrenaica
4. Legio III Gallica
5. Legio IV Macedonica
6. Legio IV Scythica
7. Legio V Alaudae
8. Legio VI Ferrata
9. Legio VII Claudia
10. Legio VIII Augusta:
11. Legio IX Hispana
12. Legio X Equestris, also known as X Equestris
13. Legio X Veneria
14. Legio X Fretensis
15. Legio XI: 58–45 BC, Julius Caesar
16. Legio XII Victrix
17. Legio XII Antiqua
18. Legio XIII Gemina:
19. Legio XVIII Libyca
20. Legio XXX Classica

Now, why are there 18 SM Legions and 2 ‘unknown’ Legions? GW always stated this was so hobbyists could essentially create their own Legions. However, a little more historical references could reveal the true reason………………

At the Revolt of Batvia, the Batavians managed to destroy 2 of the above Legions down to the last man, thus completely erasing them from history! One was Legio V and I can’t remember the other one, think it may have been Legio I. In addition to the 2 destroyed Legions, at least 9 were either disbanded or reconstituted by a mix of Emperor Caesar, and Agustas (and we have 9 Traitor Legions). If you actually read up on the Legions, some had specialities which mirror some of the backgrounds of the SM Legions, E.g., Legio X Equestris was a purely mounted Legion, only fighting from horseback and only fielding cavalry from their Legion – White Scars anyone?

Now I am not saying that GW copied the Roman Legions when creating the SM’s, but given the backgrounds of the people who created the 40k universe back then, historical references to the Roman Army was certainly heavily drawn upon.

And as I own a company of Legion of the Damned, I can confirm that they are the remnants of the Fire Hawks Chapter who were lost in the Warp and contracted a disease.

Why are there several Legios with the same unit number designation? For example, there are 3 Legio X.

Different area assignations?

Possibly. I remember reading somewhere that the Legio numerical number would usually stay the same, but the Legion name would sometimes change depending on the commander of that legion. So I was thinking maybe they were taken from different time periods?

Many moons ago, GW studio members used to visit US Grand Tournaments and actually play games with the participants. I can’t remember the exact year (possibly the mid 90’s) but it was back when the pub quiz was an informal, after hour’s event.

Anyways, I was fortunate enough to ask Jervis this exact question. He said that he really didn’t know who the two legions were and that this was done on purpose. He called them ‘Plot Hooks’ and explained that the studio does this liberally throughout the 40k universe. The purpose is to instill a sense of mystery with some unanswered questions. So nobody really knows who they are and most likely never will. Another example he gave of a plot hook at the time was the Dark Angels guy with the special sword. It’s a cool mystery that’s left unanswered on purpose.

I believe the Dark Angels character you refer to is Cypher, who carries a broken sword which is possibly the Lion Sword (from El'Jonson).

I think everyone in this thread understands that the Legions were ommitted by GW on purpose to add an air of mystery. Or at least they should understand this, due to the intended dearth of information on them.

But alas, we specualte with the information we do have so we can delve further into the lore of 40k. The OP picked up on a neat point that the Legions aren't quite as lost as we thought. Until I reread that I had assumed the Primarchs were dead or lost to the warp or perhaps genetic failures.

I have a question about these missing primarchs.

When the Emperor of man began his crusade, he had the legions of space marines with him, right?
And eventually he found the primarchs, one by one, and placed them at the heads of their respective legion.

Well what about those missing primarchs? Were their legions already created? Did the emporer divy them up amongst the other legions when their primarchs were no where to be seen?

It seems the legions were created. But they shared the fate of their primarchs.

I don't think it was a genetic mutation which lead to him erasing the missing legions record.

I mean, one of the Primarchs is a dog, The Emperor doesn't have high standards.

So I am currently reading Mechanium, not that far in but this thread is relevant to my interests!

I wonder if these Lost to Legions are possibly going to be revealed as GW re-does their armies again, also I wonder if they may somehow connect to other armies Sisters of Battle maybe? I mean it would be a stretch but who knows?

Oh no. Not ANOTHER "What happened to the two legions"

It's simple. GW wanted players to have the ability to create their own armies who aren't descended from any known legion.

Now, as for mythology, we all have our own takes on the 2nd and 11th.

I have my own theories (see Emperor's Knights) but others are welcome to theirs.

Well one of the missing Primarchs is Sigmar, right?

Wrong Warhammer.

Sigmar is god in Warhammer Fantasy.

No-one knows the names of the missing primarchs!

except me.......hehehehe.

I know that GW made it clear that the fate of the two lost legions is a mystery to allow for some creativity, but it's still fun to hear people's theories. If sort of helps in expanding the minds of the beginners (me) and opens people up to more ideas for their own armies.

So ponder away!