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Crinsomicc, I do understand that you arent really looking to use the GW paints due to price, but look at it this way.
No model is cheap. You are doing them, and your painting skills a disservice by using the paints you are using at the moment, as they just don't seem to be suitable for this kind of model work.

You can see the reasoning behind this in how the paint looks on these models:
Too clumpy, poor colour options, dusty drybrush effect.

Now those results aren't likely because of you, they are because of the paints you are using on these models, each of which costs a fair amount of money. You are also putting in a huge amount of freehand work that is being completely overshadowed by the result the paints are giving. It really is worth getting some paints that were specifically designed for this kind of paint work, even if its only 3 or 4 in the colours you need to continue working.

They may be €3.50 per pot (or w/e they are nowadays) but they can last literally years, and will aid your skill instead of hindering it.

Ifalna wrote:Crinsomicc, I do understand that you arent really looking to use the GW paints due to price, but look at it this way.
No model is cheap. You are doing them, and your painting skills a disservice by using the paints you are using at the moment, as they just don't seem to be suitable for this kind of model work.

You can see the reasoning behind this in how the paint looks on these models:
Too clumpy, poor colour options, dusty drybrush effect.

Now those results aren't likely because of you, they are because of the paints you are using on these models, each of which costs a fair amount of money. You are also putting in a huge amount of freehand work that is being completely overshadowed by the result the paints are giving. It really is worth getting some paints that were specifically designed for this kind of paint work, even if its only 3 or 4 in the colours you need to continue working.

They may be €3.50 per pot (or w/e they are nowadays) but they can last literally years, and will aid your skill instead of hindering it.

What you say is true, i could get a higher quality product if i used higher quality supplies. But the poor quality of the wolf is, at least partly, due to the fact i changed spray primers to one that is smooth not roughish (like the GW one is) so the paint didnt go on very well. Also some of the models prior to the wolf i didnt even water down my paint and probably broke other painting "rules".

Im still just learning, so i very much do appreciate your input.

Are you Jon Blanche? Just curious b/c you paint your figs like his pics.

Task and Purpose wrote:Are you Jon Blanche? Just curious b/c you paint your figs like his pics.

No... i looked him up though and that seems like high praise. so thanks. Might you elaborate on the similarities?

I like the autarch and seer models you're using. Though I think the gongu head could be swapped out for something more elfish, but that's just me. The choice of hands is great, and I like what you did with the sword. It looks kind of weird, so it suits the head now. I think it suits the armour too.

The Good Green wrote:I like the autarch and seer models you're using. Though I think the gongu head could be swapped out for something more elfish, but that's just me. The choice of hands is great, and I like what you did with the sword. It looks kind of weird, so it suits the head now. I think it suits the armour too.

The head would be almost impossible to take of nicely, he has these big ear flaps that go down his back. Also its not really meant to be a serious thing. I kind of like to think of him as part of some lonely alien species found on a long lost maiden world (or maybe from a long time ago in a galaxy far far away), by my exodite pathfinders.

the more i see your creations, the more i like them^^

i got the slight feelings that you are getting a bit of an inka aztecen look in your army... looks good and unique.

as for the foxleged sm... did his shoulderpads split? and when yes why?
and on a second note to mr gungan... his pose is cool, but as for gungans i am a racist... the should be purged, purged with fire is say!!
seriosly, is there scale interchangeable to wh? i often see at ebay these stormtroopers of sw and always it hinders me from bidding if i could use them...

Viktor von Domm wrote:the more i see your creations, the more i like them^^

i got the slight feelings that you are getting a bit of an inka aztecen look in your army... looks good and unique.

as for the foxleged sm... did his shoulderpads split? and when yes why?
and on a second note to mr gungan... his pose is cool, but as for gungans i am a racist... the should be purged, purged with fire is say!!
seriosly, is there scale interchangeable to wh? i often see at ebay these stormtroopers of sw and always it hinders me from bidding if i could use them...

Thanks!

I was inspired a lot by Mayan drawings and script for the free handing i did.

The practical reason for the Fox marines shoulder pads being split is because i gave him terminator arms but didnt have any terminator shoulder pads. So in order to cover the shoulders i had to split the regular sized ones to fit over the bulk of the terminator shoulder. My other reason was that it added to the story of the character, my idea for the fox was that he was an outcast, so all his things were scavenged and broken.

I know what you mean about gungans. They were defiantly not the best addition to the Star Wars universe. Well the whole Phantom Menace wasn't the best addition. Oh well.

The star wars minis i have are from about 10 years ago so i dont know about current ones but from the ones i have i would say the humans are generally thinner and shorter than what is common in 40k. All the 40k humans seem are super buff and stocky, the star wars ones i would say have more true to life proportions. but decide for your self:

The 1st, 3rd and 5th are Star Wars.


The gungan fits in all right but i would say the humans are a little small for 40k.


Heres my progress on the Gungan Autarch's back pack.

The magnet. (its the black thing, once painted it will be less obvious.)


The current plan for the jump pack.


In this picture you can see the staple that i embed in the plastic piece. I drilled a hole through it and then stuffed a staple in.




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what is a staple? must be my vocabulary thats missing some thing...^^

mayan^^ well not that far away from my guess^^

to give credit when it is due, the gungan as a race are rather worthy and true fighters with great fighting spirit. in episode I the were heavyly outnumbered but fought nevertheless.
the main problem is that their fighting spirit and class where outshined by jajars stupidily =)/(=/&)(/&/ character...
it looks to me that Lukas tried to go Disney on the Star Wars theme with him. In disney you have often the plump stupid sidekick... probably to make it nicer for kids (tho SW was never really for kids...only now^^).
i think that when Lukas wants to try a new couple of sw films i dread that he let the droids at least sing every five minutes a stupid song...


as for your gungan conversion, it looks kickass, do you do greenstuff? maybe you could add a cowl for him? it would finish this assasin look of his chainsaw no end^^
also, do you have plans for his base? maybe add a sm head as to add to the "whos next" gesture of his other hand...^^

cary on dude, looks bettern better

fairly cool, though I think your paints might use more water, they seem pretty thick as is.

A small suggestion, if you want to buy paints of a higher quality see if you can get some Reaper paints. Not only do they seem of higher quality than GWs paints, they also come in larger pots .

Viktor von Domm wrote:what is a staple? must be my vocabulary thats missing some thing...^^

as for your gungan conversion, it looks kickass, do you do greenstuff? maybe you could add a cowl for him? it would finish this assasin look of his chainsaw no end^^
also, do you have plans for his base? maybe add a sm head as to add to the "whos next" gesture of his other hand...^^

cary on dude, looks bettern better

this is a staple it is usually for connecting multiple sheets of paper.

I dont green stuff, ive never tried, Maybe someday but i dont plan on it. For the base i was thinking of some plastic shards and other bits possible some heads .

@Starbomber Ill look into reaper paints.

Here's a little up date.

The wings i was planning wont work, so ill have to do something else.




And a farseer im working on:



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So i started in on some terrain:

WIP!

The idea was that the statues had fallen and created difficult terrain.


But there is still space to place the minis






It needs some more embellishments, suggestions? I was thinking of some overgrowing vines or something.


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Yeah, thats a cool looking terain!
on my next fleamarket vistit consider your idea so totaly stolen. also the styropor is a good choice for this one. i think its texture fits quite nicley when painted. dont let us wait to long for an upgraded pic on this terain, i want to see where this will lead. also i totaly recommend you to this great site here:

http://hot-lead.org/advance/texturing_marble.htm

it might be the looker for this terain to go completly marbel. and for the floor, i hope you havent already glued the debris statues to the floor. cut cardbord in small parts and do tiles, also in marbel. would be exqusite looking^^.

great ideas. one suggestion: i would space it out a bit. as for now it might look completed a bit overloaded. but that might change when painted...

Ifalna wrote:Crinsomicc, I do understand that you arent really looking to use the GW paints due to price, but look at it this way.
No model is cheap. You are doing them, and your painting skills a disservice by using the paints you are using at the moment, as they just don't seem to be suitable for this kind of model work.

You can see the reasoning behind this in how the paint looks on these models:
Too clumpy, poor colour options, dusty drybrush effect.

Now those results aren't likely because of you, they are because of the paints you are using on these models, each of which costs a fair amount of money. You are also putting in a huge amount of freehand work that is being completely overshadowed by the result the paints are giving. It really is worth getting some paints that were specifically designed for this kind of paint work, even if its only 3 or 4 in the colours you need to continue working.

They may be €3.50 per pot (or w/e they are nowadays) but they can last literally years, and will aid your skill instead of hindering it.

What she said....

Iffy knows what she is talking about please look at her plog. I know it may seem expensive to buy GW or Vajello(sp?) paints but they are more than worth it and last for years if you water them down before using them. Also have a look at some of the inks like devlan mud wash, that covers a multidue of sins!

Viktor von Domm wrote:Yeah, thats a cool looking terain!
on my next fleamarket vistit consider your idea so totaly stolen. also the styropor is a good choice for this one. i think its texture fits quite nicley when painted. dont let us wait to long for an upgraded pic on this terain, i want to see where this will lead. also i totaly recommend you to this great site here:

http://hot-lead.org/advance/texturing_marble.htm

it might be the looker for this terain to go completly marbel. and for the floor, i hope you havent already glued the debris statues to the floor. cut cardbord in small parts and do tiles, also in marbel. would be exqusite looking^^.

great ideas. one suggestion: i would space it out a bit. as for now it might look completed a bit overloaded. but that might change when painted...

I just might make some of it marble, thats a nice looking tutorial.

I had already glued it i hadn't really been planning. I was just winging it. Here's my progress:

Paper tiles to give it some texture.







With some flock i know i could make it look well nice.

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well how do you want to use it in a game? meaning what surrounding terrain will you have... i suggest as you said before vines(?) and other plantlive, so it looks like the last remenants of an old temple or a palace... maybe it could be located in a desert? that way you could get off by using big amounts of sand to cover up the ground cheaply but goodlooking^^.

as i took a closer look in your full view i saw a inprint in the upper wall section. i think you have to do something serious about that. one of the major drawbacks if you are working with leftover matirials. allways something that hints to the former us...

as for the tiles: exactly as i imagined. what did you use as matirial, looks rough to me, might give a really good texture that way.

keep on and let your inspiration flow^^

The guy giving the finger on the field is awesome.

As is the fact that you have just started 40k and you're going into Eldar which is great - there are too many SM players (guilty as charged).

I concur-your freehand work is awesome.

I am not sure what to say about Jar Jar Binks...except...

Do they do ewoks...I love ewoks!


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Clever idea for the terrain...

Out of interest how long are you spending painting each model?

M

@viktor von domm Well, i dont have aany other terrain so i guess this is the piece that would set the theme for the other ones i might do in the future. also i dont have a gaming table to put it on so it could go into any kind of climatic theme.

There is a 14 with an arrow imprinted on it on the long wall i was thinking of leaving it as i could be a street designation or some some kind of direction. Or i was thinking of making a blast hole there or putting something over it.

The tiles are made out of thick paper, for water color paints i think.


@manoknok I was going to start either tau or eldar, just because i wanted something a bit more alien. I still really like the taus looks but they didnt seem as versatile as the eldar, and their vehicles are not as cool, in my opinion.

If i ever find some cool ewoks i will be sure to add them, they are one of my favorites as well. Almost any cool alien model would be welcome in my army.

The more important models get more attention so the one with all the free hand and the blue headcrest probably took a 3-5 hours (Im on summer vacation so its kind of hard to keep track of time). but the yellow and orange guardians took only about 5-8 minutes each, what took the longest was the 3ish layers of yellow to give them to make it as vibrant as i wanted. The detailing on them was very fast, i basically painted what ever came to mind first.




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Terrain up date:

Added some debris from my garden and primed:

The primer (krylon fusion) kind of melted the styrofoam, good thing its a ruin!

big debris stuck with hot glue and small dusty debris with paint.




Space bush (steel wool) attached with hot glue.




These pictures are fairly big so zoom in to see all the gritty detail.

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If you have any skulls you should add them. One thing you will notice about warhammer is the abundance of skulls.

If it is a tree you are making. Add some skulls.
If it is a pond you are making. Add some skulls.
If it is a fairly awesome looking ancient statue sight I am afraid it is in the rulebook you must add skulls.

Fish for the Fish god! Oh wait...that's Cthulhu.

Re the paints: Just adding to what Anthony D said....

I literally only started to use GW paints about a month ago. Before that I had only use really bad thick oil paints and a old brush...and my painting took a few minutes to finish and looked er well...there was a reason I tried to strip all my minis.

If you think the paints are expensive, fair enough (I used to but have changed my mind since buying the basic set but then I now have a job and I am not in school)...I think taking a longer time to paint will really make the most of your skillz - it is evident from your freehand work you have some major potential so - slow and steady wins the race.

Anyway. If these are your first ever painted models, and that is your first ever terrain, you are doing extremely well.

Please let me know about the Ewoks.

I ordered the two spin off movies on dvd last year.

I got some odd looks from my partner when I sat down to watch.

Yubnub.

M

Ifalna wrote:

They may be €3.50 per pot (or w/e they are nowadays) but they can last literally years, and will aid your skill instead of hindering it.

Unless you find out about the joys of Devlan Mud.. I'm on my 5th pot in just under 2weeks!


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Nice terrain idea.. your stuff is getting better sir... keep going and like people have said, try and invest in some better paints and you'll see better results

Regnak wrote:

Ifalna wrote:

They may be €3.50 per pot (or w/e they are nowadays) but they can last literally years, and will aid your skill instead of hindering it.

Unless you find out about the joys of Devlan Mud.. I'm on my 5th pot in just under 2weeks!


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Nice terrain idea.. your stuff is getting better sir... keep going and like people have said, try and invest in some better paints and you'll see better results

ill invest more once school fees less imminent and more past .

Terrain up date: Some Color!

Both very much WIP






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manoknok wrote:If you have any skulls you should add them. One thing you will notice about warhammer is the abundance of skulls.

If it is a tree you are making. Add some skulls.
If it is a pond you are making. Add some skulls.
If it is a fairly awesome looking ancient statue sight I am afraid it is in the rulebook you must add skulls.

Fish for the Fish god! Oh wait...that's Cthulhu.

Re the paints: Just adding to what Anthony D said....

I literally only started to use GW paints about a month ago. Before that I had only use really bad thick oil paints and a old brush...and my painting took a few minutes to finish and looked er well...there was a reason I tried to strip all my minis.

If you think the paints are expensive, fair enough (I used to but have changed my mind since buying the basic set but then I now have a job and I am not in school)...I think taking a longer time to paint will really make the most of your skillz - it is evident from your freehand work you have some major potential so - slow and steady wins the race.

Anyway. If these are your first ever painted models, and that is your first ever terrain, you are doing extremely well.

Please let me know about the Ewoks.

I ordered the two spin off movies on dvd last year.

I got some odd looks from my partner when I sat down to watch.

Yubnub.

M

I guess its not so much that they are expensive its that they are horrendously overpriced for paint, even compared to nice paint for professional painters. But i do understand i would have nicer results with better paints.

We eldar do not need skulls to prove our badassery, we have full squads of power weapons for that. Alas i dont have any skulls , ill just have to add that to my list right after star wars minis. I do need to give it some more 40k flavor though, suggestions?

Did you spray paint that foam? if you did, what type of spray paint did you use so it didn't melt? Well, it kind of looks melted a little bit, but not as much as I have seen before...

Psyker_9er wrote:Did you spray paint that foam? if you did, what type of spray paint did you use so it didn't melt? Well, it kind of looks melted a little bit, but not as much as I have seen before...

Yes i sprayed it and it did melt a bit, what was smooth now is pockmarked with 1mm-2mm holes. i used Krylon fusion. I honestly had no idea that would happen .

I found out the hard way too, so no worries.

You got lucky though; the first foam I ever spray-painted was a complete melt down. What was supposed to be crystal shards coming out of the ground are now odd looking tree-ish jungle fauna.

I too have got a bunch of foam just like what you used. My workplace got a new shipment of monitors for us all and I took home a car full of packing material. Nice work!

love the way the paint has taken to that paper. looks grimey, a bit like the end of Alice in Wonderland (the johnny Depp one) I had thought you were going deserty, but I Love the way it's coming along.

Psyker_9er wrote: I found out the hard way too, so no worries.

You got lucky though; the first foam I ever spray-painted was a complete melt down. What was supposed to be crystal shards coming out of the ground are now odd looking tree-ish jungle fauna.

I too have got a bunch of foam just like what you used. My workplace got a new shipment of monitors for us all and I took home a car full of packing material. Nice work!

We tend to save the packaging of electronics at my house so theres generally a healthy supply of foam in the garage. I figure dry brushing will just be a bit easier now. C'est la vie.

Anthony_D wrote:love the way the paint has taken to that paper. looks grimey, a bit like the end of Alice in Wonderland (the johnny Depp one) I had thought you were going deserty, but I Love the way it's coming along.

If i make another piece ill have to give it a jabberwocky skeleton.

I am going a little bit for a desert theme, im working it up to be a bit like sandstone for the ground with marble like tiles. I dont know what im going to do for the wall portions i would like to give it some contrast, maybe a muted blue or steel blue. Sugestions?


WIP!

The yellow/brown color i used, looks a bit putrid to me but i plan to work in some more red and some off white. Hopeful to make it a bit better.











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Now that you dry brushed everything, it got a nice old worn down over the ages look to the walls. I might go ahead and do a slight burst of spray paint to some foam walls too. Just a small blast though, not too much to turn it into runny liquid foam.

Psyker_9er wrote:Now that you dry brushed everything, it got a nice old worn down over the ages look to the walls. I might go ahead and do a slight burst of spray paint to some foam walls too. Just a samll blast though, not too much to turn it into runny liquid foam.

Actually none of its dry brushed, though i plan to, its all washes. It has the appearance of dry brushing because the was flows in the cracks and leaves the protrusions lightly colored.

Why spray paint it again? With what color?

No no no no, sorry if I confused you....I was saying I, me, myself, might do a little spray painting to some of MY foam... Not you, yours is fine. I was going to do it to my foam to try and pull off the look you just got on some of my stuff..

Sorry about that.

Any more spray painting on your foam would be bad! So keep up the good work. Good idea on the wash first, then the dry brush.

Psyker_9er wrote:No no no no, sorry if I confused you....I was saying I, me, myself, might do a little spray painting to some of MY foam... Not you, yours is fine. I was going to do it to my foam to try and pull off the look you just got on some of my stuff..

Sorry about that.

Any more spray painting on your foam would be bad! So keep up the good work. Good idea on the wash first, then the dry brush.

Gotcha . I would be interested in seeing it if you do!

Today i went to my local GW and there was nobody to play 40k with so i painted my farseer, using those magical GW paints.









The red looks a little nicer than these pictures show but its still a WIP.


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