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This thread has degenerated from real controversial opinions into parody.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:This thread has degenerated from real controversial opinions into parody.

This...

Smurff's are underrated

1. 40k has been getting better with the release of every edition. RT and 2nd Ed. were borderline slowed.

2. 40k was never intended to be a competitive game.

3. Converting 40k into a turn-based videogame would eliminate 99% of the problems associated with the game. It would also be a death knell for GW.

4. Human error in measurement alone (overmeasuring moves, assaults, shooting, moving blast markers improperly, etc.) decides a fair number of 40k games.

DoP wants us to believe he's not WAAC, but in fact has a supercomputer in his house computing ways to beat every single strategy possible in the most underhanded ways possible.

Polonius wrote:Few codices have as many overcosted units and options as IG.

only because they have 10k options. The are bound to be some losers in there.

Losing and having fun are not mutually exclusive.

Playing a unit because you like the way it looks or because you think it's cool is a valid reason.

And finally: just because it's posted on the Internet, doesn't mean it's true.

People constantly forget that not everyone wants to build an uber competitive army and then base their opinion of that entire codex's player base on the few tournament lists and players they have seen.

bucheonman wrote:I want to start a chain of controversial opinions about 40K. Anything about it. Game designers, models, gameplay, rules, etc. Please post only 1 comment per time, and number it in sequence. Then the next posters can decline to comment or agree/disagree, then post their own opinion. Should make for some interesting debates. But let's keep it civil.

1. The Ork Nob squad, properly fitted out for wound allocation, can kill ANY other model/squad in the entire game. Armageddon not included.

Far from true: I charged a Nob squad kitted out properly with a unit of 5 Death Company with Lemartes and all carrying power weapons. Ate the Nobz alive. The fully decked out squad was at full health too. The Nobz never even got to swing. If a Death Company gets the charge, it will kill Nobz every time. And with the re-rolls, it was only slightly above average

timetowaste85 wrote:

bucheonman wrote:I want to start a chain of controversial opinions about 40K. Anything about it. Game designers, models, gameplay, rules, etc. Please post only 1 comment per time, and number it in sequence. Then the next posters can decline to comment or agree/disagree, then post their own opinion. Should make for some interesting debates. But let's keep it civil.

1. The Ork Nob squad, properly fitted out for wound allocation, can kill ANY other model/squad in the entire game. Armageddon not included.

Far from true: I charged a Nob squad kitted out properly with a unit of 5 Death Company with Lemartes and all carrying power weapons. Ate the Nobz alive. The fully decked out squad was at full health too. The Nobz never even got to swing. If a Death Company gets the charge, it will kill Nobz every time. And with the re-rolls, it was only slightly above average

Well it can't kill any model/unit in the game including apocalypse units because it can't necessarily attack every unit in the game.

The BoLS tactics articles suck and most of their writers are bad at making lists.

1. This game is 90% having enough bankroll to go out and buy 200$ worth of models to re-tune your army every time a new codex is released.

2. It's 10% having enough bankroll to go out and buy a whole new army whenever your current armies codex gets too old.

3. "Fluffy" play hasn't existed since 3e.

4. I hope Matt Ward does the Tau codex. I will weep for the fluff, and dance through the isles when railguns are STR11.

Orks have more variaty than any army and are the best army for conversions while still being competitive.

loota boy wrote:Orks have more variaty than any army and are the best army for conversions while still being competitive.

That's simply true not controversail...
Then again, most of these are.

Cottonjaw wrote:1. This game is 90% having enough bankroll to go out and buy 200$ worth of models to re-tune your army every time a new codex is released.

2. It's 10% having enough bankroll to go out and buy a whole new army whenever your current armies codex gets too old.

1) If you don't have 200 buck to waste every 3-5 years, get a job.

2) Change to each new Codex. Then I with you here.

Tyranids can be potentially the cheesiest army in the game.

Hmm, I guess mine would be: Luck is nearly (if not as) important as Brains in deciding the Winner of the game.

Luck = Dice/Opponent
Brains = List/Tactics/Deployment

As a 10+ year player of Magic the Gathering, Luck deciding the outcome is something I'm used to. At least the Creators of Magic have basically come out and said that 1/3 of all games are decided by the Draw.

Cottonjaw wrote:

4. I hope Matt Ward does the Tau codex. I will weep for the fluff, and dance through the isles when railguns are STR11.

Hardly.

Tau Railguns are going to be STR10 AP1 JotWW equivalent with unlimited range, except it can hurt vehicles too. Firewarriors will still be T3, but two wounds each, BS5, and their pulse rifles will be dual-wielded, one in each hand, with a 15" rapid fire rambo style.

You don't even want to know about the new "Star Pulse" weapon mount for the hammerhead.

I think you guys misunderstood. By numbering, I mean that it is a sequence from the start of the entire thread.

I will start fresh at #51

51. Dash's arrogance is actually a cover for his insecurity about certain sizes of body parts.

52. Necrons are going to get hosed in heir new codex. Better than now, but barely.

53. Dash can not win with Necrons withut 3 monoliths.

bucheonman wrote:I think you guys misunderstood. By numbering, I mean that it is a sequence from the start of the entire thread.


51. Dash's arrogance is actually a cover for his insecurity about certain sizes of body parts.

True that. I don't look good in hats because I have a big head. And I freak out about my weight because my six pack has quite a bit of padding on it now, although its fortunately shrinking.

I must say though, every time I've visited Canada, Canadian girls were all over us. Not only because of the uniforms. They said that Canadian men blame their own insecurities on the cold weather, but even vigorous warming doesn't help. Canada is also the #1 world-wide consumer of male-enhancement devices. France is #2. Surprisingly, Asians (despite their reputation about such things) couldn't care less.

Such interesting things we know!

Oh, and my Tomb Spyder wing (9x Tomb Spyders, 30x Scarabs, 2 Lords, 20 warriors, 8 immortals) wins just fine.

Dashofpepper wrote:

bucheonman wrote:I think you guys misunderstood. By numbering, I mean that it is a sequence from the start of the entire thread.


51. Dash's arrogance is actually a cover for his insecurity about certain sizes of body parts.

True that. I don't look good in hats because I have a big head. And I freak out about my weight because my six pack has quite a bit of padding on it now, although its fortunately shrinking.

I must say though, every time I've visited Canada, Canadian girls were all over us. Not only because of the uniforms. They said that Canadian men blame their own insecurities on the cold weather, but even vigorous warming doesn't help. Canada is also the #1 world-wide consumer of male-enhancement devices. France is #2. Surprisingly, Asians (despite their reputation about such things) couldn't care less.

Such interesting things we know!

Oh, and my Tomb Spyder wing (9x Tomb Spyders, 30x Scarabs, 2 Lords, 20 warriors, 8 immortals) wins just fine.

I've always wanted to try that but the pain of having to put together the spyders deterred me. How does it fair up vs lots of long range?

It is ALWAYS cold in Canada. How can a poor guy get a chance??? Shrinkage is a real thing.

Kurgash wrote:

I've always wanted to try that but the pain of having to put together the spyders deterred me. How does it fair up vs lots of long range?

Very well actually.

Tomb Spyders generally have 3+ armour, 3+ cover. You can generate a scarab swarm (I actually have 39 scarab swarms - 30 for fast attack and 9 for my tomb spyders). Each scarab swarm benefits from +1 cover, so the key is to advance up the table with tomb spyders out of cover (or in, doesn't matter) and the scarab swarms in cover - getting their 4+, then a 3+ from swarm. Since half the unit is getting 3+ cover, the other half gets it too. I've got veil and a rez orb on my T5 immortals, and they teleport into/behind/around the really bad long range stuff.

GW has legitimate reasons for hiking their prices...ducks for cover...

Dashofpepper wrote:

Kurgash wrote:

I've always wanted to try that but the pain of having to put together the spyders deterred me. How does it fair up vs lots of long range?

Very well actually.

Tomb Spyders generally have 3+ armour, 3+ cover. You can generate a scarab swarm (I actually have 39 scarab swarms - 30 for fast attack and 9 for my tomb spyders). Each scarab swarm benefits from +1 cover, so the key is to advance up the table with tomb spyders out of cover (or in, doesn't matter) and the scarab swarms in cover - getting their 4+, then a 3+ from swarm. Since half the unit is getting 3+ cover, the other half gets it too. I've got veil and a rez orb on my T5 immortals, and they teleport into/behind/around the really bad long range stuff.

Huh, might have to try that one day. Normally use my spyder as a buffer zone to give my destroyers a little breathing room and not huddled together. I did always like the concept of just swarming the enemy with scarabs and spyders.

55. GW is really bad at making lists in their articles, and they are bad because they insist on using as many different types of units as possible. This is to try to advertise as many models as possible in a single article.

56. TH/SS terminators arn't nearly as powerful as people make them out to be.

KP are better than Victory Points. Yeah I'm for real. It's the onlt thing that "kinda" makes razor spam and mech vets completely OP. I weep thinking about how many turns it would take me to make the points up for a carnifex or tyranofex.

sexiest_hero wrote:KP are better than Victory Points. Yeah I'm for real. It's the onlt thing that "kinda" makes razor spam and mech vets completely OP. I weep thinking about how many turns it would take me to make the points up for a carnifex or tyranofex.

Poor game design is not an excuse for further poor game design

Here's mine, there is nothing wrong with Mechanization in 5E, rather, it is the lack of utility with the ground-pounder. Look to other games like Flames of War where footslogging infantry have lots of options for interacting with the board.

Squats were/are a cool looking army.

They were only taken out of the game because the game designers sucked at figuring out a nice earthy theme for them like slowing down other armies with Graviton Guns and blowing huge holes in the earth with Mole Mortars to impede enemy movement.

Squats were/are more gritty/grimdark than any Space Marine chapter.

I'm deadly serious here,

Black Library need to get C. S. Goto to write more books, or more fluff.

For those wondering who C.S. Goto is, Here's some of his books "Highlights"

-Multilasers are standard Equip for Marines, Lander Raiders AND CARNIFEXES, Seriously

- D-Cannons fire Bullets (Eldar? BULLETS!?)

- Beil Tans Avatar is dead, His sword has been missing for 3000 years.

- Terminators can BACKFLIP, YES BACKFLIP, (Screw your slow and purposeful)

- Land Raiders can transform into Razorbacks and Back.

- To really make the fluff lovers rage, Khornate Sorcerers.


GIVE GOTO A RAISE!