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ChocolateGork wrote:

Popsicle wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:Having seen the unpainted models

Where did you see 'em?

He would've seen them at gencon

Saw them at their open day a month ago... really nice models, basically exact carbon copies of the forgefather concept art.

They do really need to show them already, I think they're trying to build suspense, but taking things a bit too far on that note.

The models won't be released until November, so we're getting a 4-month preview. Not bad.

I'm tempted to remove my "like" just because they are making bloody Squats 2.0...

That is a good idea, except I haven't liked it to remove.

Would it be going too far to "like" just so I can "unlike" to make a point?

Done that before several times myself.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I concur. Sod them.

Agreed as well.

I use facebook for keeping up with family and friends, particularly those who are in other states. I keep the number of people I add low, and the privacy settings hi.

I don't really see a problem with it. They are trying to increase their fan base, in a pretty harmless way. If clicking "Like" is such a hard thing to do to support an awesome miniatures company who actually LISTENS to their fan base, instead of doing everything to piss them off, well, maybe that's why we don't have more companies like them.

It isn't hard to click on a like button
But it sorta reminds me of a kids show and the guy says Hi, and the kids shout Hi and the guy says, but I can't hear you, you have to shout louder ,,, repeat,,, and I still can't hear you ,,, and so on and so forth

and personally I don't play that game. It was tedious and annoying when I was 5, and it is tedious and annoying now.

So, if we give them 3000 likes, they'll advertise to us?

I don't have anything against Mantic, but that doesn't sound right.

Then again, GW charges $10 for a monthly catalog, so I guess it's just a wargaming thing.

yeah,
boring...

Panic...

Weird Face book gimmick = fail

Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

Sidstyler wins the thread.

Mantic's mistake was counting on angry internet folk to help them advertise things so that they don't have to spend money on it so that their models stay cheap.

You mean we aren't entitled to cool, affordable models? Why I never. It's almost as if people have no understanding of business at all.

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

But clicking a button on a site that most of us are already registered on is so hard and morally repugnant!

...wait a minute, that sounds crazy...

Neconilis wrote:

But clicking a button on a site that most of us are already registered on is so hard and morally repugnant!

...wait a minute, that sounds crazy...

I wonder if I should exalt this post

It's at 2,791... almost there

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

Is it really too much to ask that a company not act like a 13 year old girl? Or if they're going to play coy, learn not to run the joke into the fething ground. If they were willing to show off the models at their Open Day, the non-Brits should have had the same opportunity the following Monday. Waiting a month and then still making it dependant on 400 people jumping through a hoop is just frustrating.

AlexHolker wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

Is it really too much to ask that a company not act like a 13 year old girl? Or if they're going to play coy, learn not to run the joke into the fething ground. If they were willing to show off the models at their Open Day, the non-Brits should have had the same opportunity the following Monday. Waiting a month and then still making it dependant on 400 people jumping through a hoop is just frustrating.

Because advertising is purely the domain of 13 year old girls?

GBL wrote:Because advertising is purely the domain of 13 year old girls?

Not advertising, fishing for praise by holding their work hostage until they get so many likes/faves/reviews.

I have been critical of GW not providing updates of their projects.
That does not mean I hate GW, just that I disagree with their lack of communication.
On the other hand I have praised Mantic for being open about showing concept art and greens.

It seems entiirely consistent to not want to see Mantic take this course of action.
Nor is it suddenly Mantic hating. Merely a dislike of a certain type of publicity.

It is silly imho and I want no part of it. If Mantic want me to approve of them, just show the piccies, instead of talking like a bunch of girlies from a high school drama who need others to tell them they are cool.
Like OMG Mantic so totally rock being way cool and popular, like they have like 2500 like likes now! AWESUM!

Ten year olds' mileage may vary, because they only have little legs and the attention span of mayflies.
Are we nearly there yet?


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Some people seem to be confusing advertising with publicity.
Obviously the years of conditioning by GW's muddled PR has had an affect on the gaming community.

Worth a like for the chance to win an army box I guess. Think they are on about 2800 now... sigh.. (although if people are saying they saw the minis a month ago I'm amazed pics haven't been posted online yet - they were shown at Gencon right?)

No, I think "holding their work hostage" would be something like "Give us 3,000 Likes on Facebook or we won't sell you Forge Father models at all!", not withholding a preview of one painted figure.

Which, you know, they could very well show off in the next couple weeks anyway. It's not like you have to give them what they want or you'll never see them.

AlexHolker wrote:

GBL wrote:Because advertising is purely the domain of 13 year old girls?

Not advertising, fishing for praise by holding their work hostage until they get so many likes/faves/reviews.

A like is another name for the registration to their newsfeed. It isnt a cry for attention, it simply gives them the ability to reach more people, which is the function of advertising and publicity. It is no different than when they were giving out free ghouls for newsletter registrations a few years back. Except in this case the reward isnt a physical model but a model preview. No harm done, and nothing to do with teenage girls.

GBL wrote:It is no different than when they were giving out free ghouls for newsletter registrations a few years back.

Your free ghouls were never made dependant on other people registering for their newsletter. If they'd simply said, "Anyone who likes us on Facebook can see the Forgefather, right now," then you could argue it is no different.

AlexHolker wrote:

GBL wrote:It is no different than when they were giving out free ghouls for newsletter registrations a few years back.

Your free ghouls were never made dependant on other people registering for their newsletter. If they'd simply said, "Anyone who likes us on Facebook can see the Forgefather, right now," then you could argue it is no different.

So? Its still just marketing. That doesnt beg any comparison to a teenage girl. They just (quite obviously) want to get a large number of subscribers. There are pay for services that could do that for them, but rather than use those they are using it as a platform for a preview.

They are going to show the models at the end of the week on BoW, but if they can get 3k likes on FB they will show one early... I don't see the problem

In which case, if they are going to show them on BoW (possibly on Turn 8 which will be on Thursday) it won't be long to have to wait.

Showing on BoW could also mean "Behind the Scenes" I guess.

Sorry, call me old fashioned but again, I really don't appreciate PR party games. Don't want to have to suck up their jelly and ice cream and lick their birthday buns.
Just show the pictures.

They're going to, on Beasts of War apparently. They don't have to show them off early and I don't get why people are being so butthurt over it.

And you all say I'm "entitled" and that I want "free models" whenever I bitch about GW's bs prices, lol. What the feth are you guys being right now?

Lord Shag wrote:So, if we give them 3000 likes, they'll advertise to us?

I don't have anything against Mantic, but that doesn't sound right.

Then again, GW charges $10 for a monthly catalog, so I guess it's just a wargaming thing.

AlexHolker wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

Is it really too much to ask that a company not act like a 13 year old girl? Or if they're going to play coy, learn not to run the joke into the fething ground. If they were willing to show off the models at their Open Day, the non-Brits should have had the same opportunity the following Monday. Waiting a month and then still making it dependant on 400 people jumping through a hoop is just frustrating.

Agreed.

I get the impression that a lot of people do not understand what a "Like" on Facebook really is.

All they are doing is saying "Sign up for our Facebook blog", not begging for anything.

I see bands do it all the time. when they hit a round number, they drop a link to a video or mp3 they put up just for the occasion.

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC

Rational people can change their opinions based on new information. Deal with it.