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tetrisphreak wrote:

acekevin8412 wrote:I have no problem with the Demiurg themselves, I just don't think they should be close-combat specialists.

From what i gather, imagine this - Not CC powerhouses, but slow, tough tarpit units that can charge a unit that has been weakened from tau shooting, survive two rounds of combat, and then either by winning or breaking away doing it again the next tau turn. The obvious counter for this tactic is enemies that have mobility to avoid our rocky tarpits, thus allowing the tau to again counter and line up devastating fields of fire. It's a back-and-forth strategy that should be in the codex already but isn't thanks to the faster nature of units in 5th ed codices.

This, I don't disagree with.

SickSix wrote:The Tau do not need a rock golem MC. The Tau need all the FW Kroot units, with good rules, and we need our core army updated! Any CC should be done by Kroot and their various mutations. If they are going to give us space dwarves, they need to a tough close/midrange shooty unit that can survive assaults.

This, I prefer.

CpatTom wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

Interesting philosophy stuff (to me) that might provide some insight into the concepts behind the Demiurg.

This passage in particular:
"Demiurge as the entity who “fashioned and shaped” the material world. Timaeus describes the Demiurge as unreservedly benevolent, and hence desirous of a world as good as possible. The world remains allegedly imperfect, however, because the Demiurge created the world out of a chaotic, indeterminate non-being."

So, we are going to start finding rumors that the Space Dwarves, and Elfdar created their little Sea Horses to make the world as a good as possible.

technically, you can already kill stuff with demiurg on the tt, as long as you don't mind BFG.

This isn't a rumour, but I hope they develop the Psychic potential of the Kroot more. I remember in the Kroot Mercenaries list, the Master Shaper could take minor psychic powers, some of which were pretty good. If I remember correctly, the only things that remain of this now that the Kroot list is defunct, is in the Kroot Mercs Apoc formation, and then its only by giving the Master Shaper a witchblade.

acekevin8412 wrote:This isn't a rumour, but I hope they develop the Psychic potential of the Kroot more. I remember in the Kroot Mercenaries list, the Master Shaper could take minor psychic powers, some of which were pretty good. If I remember correctly, the only things that remain of this now that the Kroot list is defunct, is in the Kroot Mercs Apoc formation, and then its only by giving the Master Shaper a witchblade.

Remember what happened to Humans worlds with psykers on them?

Jeremy Vetock wrote the new book. It's already done and just waiting for its time in the release schedual.

No, I don't remember, but I assume that they got hit with an exterminatus. Either that, or a visit from the black ships.

From ignoring that, isn't the Kroot Homeworld supposed to be deep within Tau territory where it would be safe from predations by the Imperium?

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:Jeremy Vetock wrote the new book. It's already done and just waiting for its time in the release schedual.

I've never heard of this man. Plus you spelled 'schedule' wrong. SALT!


Edit - googled his name. He's a warhammer FB writer. Less salt!

tetrisphreak wrote:

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:Jeremy Vetock wrote the new book. It's already done and just waiting for its time in the release schedual.

I've never heard of this man. Plus you spelled 'schedule' wrong. SALT!


Edit - googled his name. He's a warhammer FB writer. Less salt!

Well genius he happens to be the guy who wrote Skaven, Orcs, and Ogre Kingdoms. Where have you been?

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:Jeremy Vetock wrote the new book. It's already done and just waiting for its time in the release schedual.

I've never heard of this man. Plus you spelled 'schedule' wrong. SALT!


Edit - googled his name. He's a warhammer FB writer. Less salt!

Well genius he happens to be the guy who wrote Skaven, Orcs, and Ogre Kingdoms. Where have you been?

I don't play WHFB. I think a new tau book would be awesome, i don't care who writes it as long as it's competitive.

This should be....interesting. WHFB writer writing a 40k codex? And, the least WHFB-ly Army to boot?

KilroyKiljoy wrote:This should be....interesting. WHFB writer writing a 40k codex? And, the least WHFB-ly Army to boot?

Maybe we will get tau mounted on dragons.

nomotog wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:This should be....interesting. WHFB writer writing a 40k codex? And, the least WHFB-ly Army to boot?

Maybe we will get tau mounted on dragons.

Their explanation will probably be something along the lines of: A KROOOOOOOT EATED THE VOID DRAGONZZZ.

@the talk about psykers above, I have always loved the thought of being able to use the Nicassar in battle.

Anyone else?

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:Jeremy Vetock wrote the new book. It's already done and just waiting for its time in the release schedual.

Source? I've seen oodles of Tau rumours, but no basis for them outside of educated guesswork and wishlisting.

im2randomghgh wrote:

nomotog wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:This should be....interesting. WHFB writer writing a 40k codex? And, the least WHFB-ly Army to boot?

Maybe we will get tau mounted on dragons.

Their explanation will probably be something along the lines of: A KROOOOOOOT EATED THE VOID DRAGONZZZ.

@the talk about psykers above, I have always loved the thought of being able to use the Nicassar in battle.

Anyone else?

But aren't Niccassar supposed be non-combatants? Well that didn't stop them from putting the Space Pope on the front lines....

The new MC for the Tau isn't a rock gollem. The Demiurg are rock gollems. Standing next to their models is a huge troll thing that looks like a larger version of the LotR trolls.
I can't remember where I saw the pics but it was a few years ago. It takes about 5 years for something like that to come into being (Chaos Terminaters for example).
There is also concept art by Jes Goodwin. That alone makes me happy. Jes can make anything look cool. But these new Demiurg figures seem like they wont have much conversion opertunities.
The look to be about 6 parts per model: Top half of their head (their collars cover up to their top lip), two legs, two arms and the torso.
I couldn't tell from the pic if the weapons were attached to the hands, nor could I see if they had backpacks.

DeffDred wrote:I can confirm that a unit of little rockmen in space suits and a great big troll beast have been in production. I have no idea where I saw the pic but it's out there.

You mean this pic?



Sorry to disappoint but AFAIK they were custom sculpts by the FFG guys for their own Dark Heresy campaign.

Grakmar wrote:I've also heard the Tau are getting Demiurg allies rumor. But, the "Tau are currently not being worked on" rumor looks equally valid. Tau are in a tough spot, developmentally speaking. They're heavily focused on shooting with their big weakness being CC. However, with the improved mobility we've seen in 5th edition (transports everywhere) and with the focus on troops with amazing survivability, the Tau are in trouble. It will take a major overhaul to make them competitive.

....

I reckon it can be easily done.

1. Special rule to allow Fire Warriors to attempt to evade charges.
2. Increase rapid fire range of pulse rifle to 15.
3. Battlesuits are made a bit cheaper and can be bought in units of four.
4. Five or 10 points off the cost of the vehicles.
5. Kroot to cost six.
6. All marker lights become networked and Assault.

That would take about 10 minutes to write up and the army would ROCK.

A lot more could be done to make things more interesting; by doing things with Ethereals, Vespids, Gun Drones, Skyrays, Krootox and Sniper Drones. That plus adding more drone types and other stuff would make the codex an awesomely fun and interesting book, and would take a lot longer to work out.

Kilkrazy wrote:
I reckon it can be easily done.

1. Special rule to allow Fire Warriors to attempt to evade charges.
2. Increase rapid fire range of pulse rifle to 15.
3. Battlesuits are made a bit cheaper and can be bought in units of four.
4. Five or 10 points off the cost of the vehicles.
5. Kroot to cost six.
6. All marker lights become networked and Assault.

That would take about 10 minutes to write up and the army would ROCK.

And they would be OP like Grey Knights right?
1 battle-suit is already hard to combat with, get 3 more and you could rech havoc on enemy army.

Brother Coa wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:
I reckon it can be easily done.

1. Special rule to allow Fire Warriors to attempt to evade charges.
2. Increase rapid fire range of pulse rifle to 15.
3. Battlesuits are made a bit cheaper and can be bought in units of four.
4. Five or 10 points off the cost of the vehicles.
5. Kroot to cost six.
6. All marker lights become networked and Assault.

That would take about 10 minutes to write up and the army would ROCK.

And they would be OP like Grey Knights right?
1 battle-suit is already hard to combat with, get 3 more and you could rech havoc on enemy army.

Yes, and we can't have any marine players getting butt-hurt with plasma, now can we?
I agree with most of the points here except for

a) decreasing the points cost of Battlesuits (they're like 50 right? For a 3+ save, 2W and the ability to carry and fire an armory that's pretty fair)
b) allowing the firewarriors to evade charges. Because...well, how? Some sort of tech, right? Because giving a low I unit such as them that ability would be a bit strange.

What do you mean by networked?

Brother Coa wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:
I reckon it can be easily done.

1. Special rule to allow Fire Warriors to attempt to evade charges.
2. Increase rapid fire range of pulse rifle to 15.
3. Battlesuits are made a bit cheaper and can be bought in units of four.
4. Five or 10 points off the cost of the vehicles.
5. Kroot to cost six.
6. All marker lights become networked and Assault.

That would take about 10 minutes to write up and the army would ROCK.

And they would be OP like Grey Knights right?
1 battle-suit is already hard to combat with, get 3 more and you could rech havoc on enemy army.

Battle suits already come in groups of 3. Except for farsight who was a group of 8.

Networked markerlight allow the firing squad to use the hit.
I agree that the Tau tech would be improving and as a logical next step, all markerlights should be networked.

acekevin8412 wrote:Networked markerlight allow the firing squad to use the hit.
I agree that the Tau tech would be improving and as a logical next step, all markerlights should be networked.

Isn't that what is already in the codex?
You fire a markerlight at a target, and it's +1 to hit against right?

For another unit. Networked can be used by the firing unit to boost its own shooting.

I just thought of this, but one of the persistent rumors I keep hearing about 6th edition is the idea that they are going to take all the side rules (apoc planetstrike citystrike) and make them core to the big rule book. Anyone else see what this means for the codex. It means they are probably going to pull all are side units (manta, tigershark, turrets.) directly into the codex. Wouldn't that be cool. I wonder what stragic assets we would get.

CpatTom wrote:For another unit. Networked can be used by the firing unit to boost its own shooting.

Oh in that case yeah. They should all be networked.
It makes so much more sense that way.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Grakmar wrote:I've also heard the Tau are getting Demiurg allies rumor. But, the "Tau are currently not being worked on" rumor looks equally valid. Tau are in a tough spot, developmentally speaking. They're heavily focused on shooting with their big weakness being CC. However, with the improved mobility we've seen in 5th edition (transports everywhere) and with the focus on troops with amazing survivability, the Tau are in trouble. It will take a major overhaul to make them competitive.

....

I reckon it can be easily done.

1. Special rule to allow Fire Warriors to attempt to evade charges.
2. Increase rapid fire range of pulse rifle to 15.
3. Battlesuits are made a bit cheaper and can be bought in units of four.
4. Five or 10 points off the cost of the vehicles.
5. Kroot to cost six.
6. All marker lights become networked and Assault.

That would take about 10 minutes to write up and the army would ROCK.

A lot more could be done to make things more interesting; by doing things with Ethereals, Vespids, Gun Drones, Skyrays, Krootox and Sniper Drones. That plus adding more drone types and other stuff would make the codex an awesomely fun and interesting book, and would take a lot longer to work out.

I still see Fire Warriors being a liability with these changes. 3" of extra double-tap still doesn't give them much of a punch, especially with BS3. I think they should have the ability to re-roll 1s to hit at range and be rolled back to 9 points. Also, Pulse Carbines should be Assualt 2 IMO.

Great information! A monstrous creature would be perfect for a Tau army to combat a DreadKnight! (or anything else). What about any new vehicles? Anything on like a new kind of troop transport? That would be pretty sweet! Or another HQ choice. Like some super ethereal thats not a special character. IDK just some ideas.

TheCadreofFi'rios wrote:Great information! A monstrous creature would be perfect for a Tau army to combat a DreadKnight! (or anything else). What about any new vehicles? Anything on like a new kind of troop transport? That would be pretty sweet! Or another HQ choice. Like some super ethereal thats not a special character. IDK just some ideas.

Hopefully, the Tau MC won't be as ridiculous looking as the Dreadbaby.
Well, judging by the recent trend of giving armies a flyer like unit (harpy, Stormraven, Valkyrie, Razorwing), it's likely that the tau will get something as well. Maybe some type of dropship, or gunship or something.

The tau already have several flayers.

They have Forgeworld fliers (I assume that's what you meant by 'flayers') but not codex fliers like IG, BA, DE, and GK have.