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Not naming sources, but rumor has it that, in the new Tau 'dex being worked on, the Demiurg have a huge possibility of being Mercs, with their own Rock-like Golem MC's. Of course, salt it as needed, as even I am not 100% sure this is true, but I'd thought I'd share. Anyone else have any similar/corroborating/different info?

I can confirm that a unit of little rockmen in space suits and a great big troll beast have been in production. I have no idea where I saw the pic but it's out there.

This sounds fething aweful.

SickSix wrote:This sounds fething aweful.

Possible high-toughness bubble wrap and a CC Monster? That's EXACTLY what Tau need.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

SickSix wrote:This sounds fething aweful.

Possible high-toughness bubble wrap and a CC Monster? That's EXACTLY what Tau need.

Exalted, +1

Sherlock Holmes: It is a failure of logic to formulate an opinion without any evidence... Or something like that. I'd reserve the decision making, until you've got some idea what you are deciding.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

SickSix wrote:This sounds fething aweful.

Possible high-toughness bubble wrap and a CC Monster? That's EXACTLY what Tau need.

Getting a CC monster is awesome. As is getting an MC. So is getting the demiurg. But a giant rock golem? If only they could do it in a way that WASN'T aweful. Maybe a feth-huge kroot creature? Other than knarlocs. Maybe a kroot that ate an avatar

im2randomghgh wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

SickSix wrote:This sounds fething aweful.

Possible high-toughness bubble wrap and a CC Monster? That's EXACTLY what Tau need.

Getting a CC monster is awesome. As is getting an MC. So is getting the demiurg. But a giant rock golem? If only they could do it in a way that WASN'T aweful. Maybe a feth-huge kroot creature? Other than knarlocs. Maybe a kroot that ate an avatar

damn it... now i'm gonna have to mathammer out how many croot it would take to down an avatar>_<

im2randomghgh wrote:
Getting a CC monster is awesome. As is getting an MC. So is getting the demiurg. But a giant rock golem? If only they could do it in a way that WASN'T aweful. Maybe a feth-huge kroot creature? Other than knarlocs. Maybe a kroot that ate an avatar

Yeah, you gotta kill an Avatar. Isn't a proper 5th ed codex if it doesn't contain an Avatar being bitchslapped.

In fact Avatar-killing has become so diluted that the Tau codex will probably contain a passage where Puretide shoots two Avatars at once by splitting fire with his twin Hyper Advanced Super Multitracker Plasma Assault Cannons.

Puretide definitely Quigely-d them with a Broadside. Fits the Shooty Tau Fluff. (although i would love some super advance multi tracker goodness).

subbed for the funz x)

Sounds vaguely plausible, but then so does the rumour that the Tau aren't being worked on at all right now.

Without evidence of some kind (and 'I saw some pics, but won't tell you where.' is not evidence) it remains empty speculation.

peebzguy wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

SickSix wrote:This sounds fething aweful.

Possible high-toughness bubble wrap and a CC Monster? That's EXACTLY what Tau need.

Exalted, +1

Is there anything that is the opposite of an exalt? Because I think we need one.
The Tau are supposed to be CC monsters. If we were, we just be some Mary Sue coalition that shoot the crap out of people and then charge in and wipe out the survivors, not unlike a certain group of marines of space.

The Tau are supposed to be a ranged/mobility focused army. To cover our asses, we hired the Kroot as tarpits, bubble wrap and counter-assault units. That's what we should stick with. More Guns, and defensive CC.

acekevin8412 wrote:

peebzguy wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

SickSix wrote:This sounds fething aweful.

Possible high-toughness bubble wrap and a CC Monster? That's EXACTLY what Tau need.

Exalted, +1

Is there anything that is the opposite of an exalt? Because I think we need one.
The Tau are supposed to be CC monsters. If we were, we just be some Mary Sue coalition that shoot the crap out of people and then charge in and wipe out the survivors, not unlike a certain group of marines of space.

The Tau are supposed to be a ranged/mobility focused army. To cover our asses, we hired the Kroot as tarpits, bubble wrap and counter-assault units. That's what we should stick with. More Guns, and defensive CC.

Exactly, so what's wrong with hiring Demiurg MC's to be CC beasts/Tarpits/Distraction so that the Tau can snipe out everyone else?

Assault units in a Tau army, with the exception of Kroot (who aren't that great in assault anyway) are probably not going to be troops choices. The army will still crumble to an assault.

You can stuff 12 fireknives into a 1000 point list. (Granted you have one scoring unit in a devil fish, and a foot slogging firewarrior squad) If they make those suits cheaper think how many shots you can get...

MORE DAKKA!

Brother SRM wrote:Assault units in a Tau army, with the exception of Kroot (who aren't that great in assault anyway) are probably not going to be troops choices. The army will still crumble to an assault.

This I agree with.

@KilroyKiljoy
We differ in our views on how the Tau should be developed. I feel that the Tau codex should be first and fore most, about the Tau, and the Tau are about shooting. I also feel that GW should bring back chapter approved stuff that is good. Not like the current Sisters of Battle, but like the mini-dexes of old. Here, lesser known armies, like Kroot, Elysians and Death Korp before Forge World showed up, and others can be developed.

G00fySmiley wrote:

damn it... now i'm gonna have to mathammer out how many croot it would take to down an avatar>_<

145 kroot attacking without getting the charge would statistically kill an avatar.

acekevin8412 wrote:I also feel that GW should bring back chapter approved stuff that is good.

GW has been doing a bit of that, like with the Eldar Nightspinner release. Adding a wacky xeno mercenary unit to the Tau would be a pretty cool thing to happen out of the blue.

Demiurg are allies of the Tau Empire according to the background and even field a ship in the BFG Tau fleet. So this is plausible.
And there have been other rumours about Demiurg being part of the next Codex. So .... could be happening.

I have no problem with the Demiurg themselves, I just don't think they should be close-combat specialists.

Rock Golem?

Why not just make Krootoxen good?

acekevin8412 wrote:I have no problem with the Demiurg themselves, I just don't think they should be close-combat specialists.

From what i gather, imagine this - Not CC powerhouses, but slow, tough tarpit units that can charge a unit that has been weakened from tau shooting, survive two rounds of combat, and then either by winning or breaking away doing it again the next tau turn. The obvious counter for this tactic is enemies that have mobility to avoid our rocky tarpits, thus allowing the tau to again counter and line up devastating fields of fire. It's a back-and-forth strategy that should be in the codex already but isn't thanks to the faster nature of units in 5th ed codices.

Ya something like a good meat(rock) shield. Maybe not to high weapon skill, but really high toughness so enemies are locked into CC unable to really hurt them, but unable to run away. Like what always seems to happen to my fire warriors.

The Tau do not need a rock golem MC. The Tau need all the FW Kroot units, with good rules, and we need our core army updated! Any CC should be done by Kroot and their various mutations. If they are going to give us space dwarves, they need to a tough close/midrange shooty unit that can survive assaults.

O only know that Matt Ward is possible writer...
And that is enough to me to imagine them as uber-powerful....

I've also heard the Tau are getting Demiurg allies rumor. But, the "Tau are currently not being worked on" rumor looks equally valid. Tau are in a tough spot, developmentally speaking. They're heavily focused on shooting with their big weakness being CC. However, with the improved mobility we've seen in 5th edition (transports everywhere) and with the focus on troops with amazing survivability, the Tau are in trouble. It will take a major overhaul to make them competitive.

juraigamer wrote:

G00fySmiley wrote:

damn it... now i'm gonna have to mathammer out how many croot it would take to down an avatar>_<

145 kroot attacking without getting the charge would statistically kill an avatar.

Kroot get 2 attacks (without charge), that's 2/3 hits, 1/9 wounds, 1/27 failed saves, 1/81 failed re-rolls (c'mon, what Avatar doesn't have a Farseer nearby with Fortune on him)
So, for every 81 Kroot, you'll put a wound on the Avatar. That's 324 Kroot to kill it!

And, since you can't fit 324 models in BtB or within 2", the Avatar will be just fine.

So, even if you had a unit of infinite Kroot, the Avatar will attack them, win combat, force them to run, and sweep them.

Brother Coa wrote:O only know that Matt Ward is possible writer...
And that is enough to me to imagine them as uber-powerful....

According to rumor, Matt ward is writing everything.

nomotog wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:O only know that Matt Ward is possible writer...
And that is enough to me to imagine them as uber-powerful....

According to rumor, Matt ward is writing everything.

NOTE: The fallen bird is actually race that Matt Ward done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

Interesting philosophy stuff (to me) that might provide some insight into the concepts behind the Demiurg.

This passage in particular:
"Demiurge as the entity who “fashioned and shaped” the material world. Timaeus describes the Demiurge as unreservedly benevolent, and hence desirous of a world as good as possible. The world remains allegedly imperfect, however, because the Demiurge created the world out of a chaotic, indeterminate non-being."

So, we are going to start finding rumors that the Space Dwarves, and Elfdar created their little Sea Horses to make the world as a good as possible.