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Howard A Treesong wrote:Umm, accidents happen. It's a public place and you've got a lot of delicate things one a table and not in a display case, and lots of events and are crowded or cramped so its very easy to knock something over. Unless the breakage is malicious or an act of clear stupidity (like running around) then I think a lot of the time you just have to suck it up and accept a well meant apology. Not open your wallet and expect a replacement.

For a start there's a lot of people taking Forgeworld stuff to games and that is both very fragile and very expensive. You take on a lot of risk bringing that so having a little bump that breaks it does not mean you are entitled to an exorbitantly priced replacement. A lot of people have the money to slowly to build up an army themselves but not drop money on buying you replacements for your insanely expensive stuff.

So no, unless they smash your stuff by being really stupid like running around the shop like a kid, or deliberately damaging it - simply knocking it over is just an accident. It's easy enough done with all these models being covered in spikes and poles. If you're that worried about having every breakage paid for either leave them at home or get some insurance or something.

I've known things broken and damaged at events and no one ever expected a replacement or cash money even for very expensive models. Accidents happen. When you take your models to an event you carry the burden of covering replacement costs on your models through loss or damage, you don't agree to carry the burden of covering the costs of everyone else's models whatever that might be, which could be hideously expensive if they've brought their DKoK.

What ^ said... x100000000000 etc...

Look if you apologized you did all that is required of you in polite society. So it is others, not you, who need a manners check. Like... anyone who would suggest you have no manners or proper upbringing because you didnt break out your wallet and knee pads when you accidentally broke a guys model.

Now as to your sportsmanship score, did you fail to give the guy a bag of cookies aswell? Or did you spit in his cola? grab his dice? Cheat? Anything like that? because I fail to see how an accident like that applies to sportsmanship scores, which is why I fething HATE sportsmanship scoring. But, thats another story. /endrant

I'd have thought it a rare occurence, you're hardly ever going to touch someone elses models and if you do - be careful.

Now obviously valkyries and stormravens are vulnerable but otherwise nothing needs to rise above and inch off the gaming table anyway.

I've never played in a tournament though. I will be this summer (doubles tourny at Warhammer World) and I've bought a FW force just for the occasion. It never occured to me that something should be broken but if someone else does break my toys it will depend on just how broken and the manner of the 'accident'.

For instance if a fathers 12 year old son shouts "aww coooooool!", grabs one of my toys on a sugar rush and basically throws it on the floor, his Dad's gonna pay me

nkelsch wrote:You deserved a poor score, breaking someone's model and offering zero restitution is rude and bad behavior.

"all I can say is I'm sorry" is low class. You could have offered to replace it. Most times people will say if it is no big deal, but if you were raised right you would know it is your responsibility to offer restitution and then if the person declines, it is fine.

If you break someone's model, you should offer to replace it in full or whatever it takes to restore it to whatever the person feels is "whole". Anything else shows complete lack of respect and social skills.

Jesus wept. Hate to know you in meat space for fear of even breathing wrong...

Accidents happen. We all play with plastic and metal figures that are moved around by rolling dice and measuring tapes. If the chap wanted no recompense, then he wanted no recompense. I don't think it's particularly fair to accuse the OP of 'not being raised right' or having a 'complete lack of respect'...

nkelsch wrote:You deserved a poor score, breaking someone's model and offering zero restitution is rude and bad behavior.

"all I can say is I'm sorry" is low class. You could have offered to replace it. Most times people will say if it is no big deal, but if you were raised right you would know it is your responsibility to offer restitution and then if the person declines, it is fine.

If you break someone's model, you should offer to replace it in full or whatever it takes to restore it to whatever the person feels is "whole". Anything else shows complete lack of respect and social skills.

I would argue that by bringing your models into a public space, you are agreeing to the fact that accidents may happen, whether directly or by your actions in playing in a public space.

Yes, it would have been chivalrous to offer to replace said model, but unless it is utterly destroyed, I would not consider it bad taste not to offer. Yes he damaged the paint/knocked off some pieces. You're playing with the model. Not letting it sit on the shelf.

Applying the 'Make the injured party whole' standard in such a case of non-malicious damage is a perfect example of why we are a lawsuit based culture.

If a person expects to be repaid in full for every model damaged by another player accidentally, they should not bring their models into a FLGS in the first place.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Umm, accidents happen. It's a public place and you've got a lot of delicate things one a table and not in a display case, and lots of events and are crowded or cramped so its very easy to knock something over. Unless the breakage is malicious or an act of clear stupidity (like running around) then I think a lot of the time you just have to suck it up and accept a well meant apology. Not open your wallet and expect a replacement.

For a start there's a lot of people taking Forgeworld stuff to games and that is both very fragile and very expensive. You take on a lot of risk bringing that so having a little bump that breaks it does not mean you are entitled to an exorbitantly priced replacement. A lot of people have the money to slowly to build up an army themselves but not drop money on buying you replacements for your insanely expensive stuff.

So no, unless they smash your stuff by being really stupid like running around the shop like a kid, or deliberately damaging it - simply knocking it over is just an accident. It's easy enough done with all these models being covered in spikes and poles. If you're that worried about having every breakage paid for either leave them at home or get some insurance or something.

I've known things broken and damaged at events and no one ever expected a replacement or cash money even for very expensive models. Accidents happen. When you take your models to an event you carry the burden of covering replacement costs on your models through loss or damage, you don't agree to carry the burden of covering the costs of everyone else's models whatever that might be, which could be hideously expensive if they've brought their DKoK.

Lol, I'v started buying a DKoK force from FW recently.

Very much agree with what you have said here.

gunslingerpro wrote:
I would argue that by bringing your models into a public space, you are agreeing to the fact that accidents may happen, whether directly or by your actions in playing in a public space.

Yes, it would have been chivalrous to offer to replace said model, but unless it is utterly destroyed, I would not consider it bad taste not to offer. Yes he damaged the paint/knocked off some pieces. You're playing with the model. Not letting it sit on the shelf.

Applying the 'Make the injured party whole' standard in such a case of non-malicious damage is a perfect example of why we are a lawsuit based culture.

If a person expects to be repaid in full for every model damaged by another player accidentally, they should not bring their models into a FLGS in the first place.

See, funny you should say that my attitude is a lawsuit based culture. What you describe, the "Yeah, I did it, accidents happen, I am not obligated to fix gak." is what forces people to become unreasonable and sue. If people owned up to their actions, everone is a lot more reasonable and lawyers don't need to be involved. Saying you apologize, don't game in public is a selfish entitled attitude and is rude.

If you break something, even unintentionally, then you should offer to fix it. This is the NON-lawyer solution because you accept fault and make repairs. You have to let the person decide what makes it whole. Some models with amazing paintjobs can never be repaired simply by gluing stuff back together and patching paint. THey would literally have to redo the paint and repair from scratch. Now *MOST* people will straight up say 'oh, that model breaks, hand me the super glue.' or 'my painting sucks, I can repair that. But that is their choice. Making a judgement of your opponents level of effort only justifies superglue is rude. I hhave seen people break golden demon quality models and people simply don't realize the sculpting and paint can't be 'fixed' with no effort.

Where I come from, if I broke your window playing baseball, I go to the owner, confess what I did and do whatever it takes to right the wrong even though it was an accident. I don't say "screw you old man, you shouldn't have build your house in a neighborhood where kids play... Imagine if everyone took the atitude that by being in a location where accidents happen no one is ever responsible for their actions?

Either be careful about your surroundings or be willing to accept the consequences of your mistakes. Seems, people in our hobby are too content with 'I broke your stuff, so what, I will apologize with nice cheap words instead of paying to fix it.' While we know other people are going to be selfish and cheap and refuse to replace stuff they broke, you have control over your own actions and you can do the right thing even if little fatty mcgee wouldn't do the same. Saying 'No one else does it, so I'm not responsible is an excuse and mob mentality.

If I break a model, I offer to replace it. So far no one has ever taken me up on the offer, but they appreciate the willingness to do what is right. If I knocked you DKoK on the floor and broke and ruined your whole army, I would offer to replace it. That is the right thing to do because I take responsibility of my actions. I am not going to freak out on you if you wouldn't do the same, but I can't be held responsible for your strength of character.

This is why I never lay a finger on any one else's model. Of course if that ever hapened to me I would compensate. A buddy of mine not to long ago droped a Necron Cryptic, then someone accidentally stepped on it. It lost a foot, a leg, the bottom half of the staff and it's base. Needless to say it was fixed but I cringe every time I think about it.

I too have learned to not pick up other's delicate/converted/GD quality models. I have dropped more models (mine and other's) than I can count. I've only broken one of someone else's, fortunately...unfortunately, it was his grey seer on a giant chunk of glass warpstone...I felt like the complete and utter ass that I am...and there was no way I was capable of fixing it, nor could I offer to buy him a new one...so, no, there is no fixing things sometimes. Offering to do so would have cheapened it, as it would have been obviously false.

I've never been in such a situation thankfully. I can imagine it's horrible. I've had my stuff broken, but never quite that badly.

If I were in such a situation I can't say I would act in any different a manner than apologize and ask if there's anything I can do to make right the unfortunate circumstance. Perhaps offer to buy them lunch/dinner, a beer... I'm just not sure, but I hope I never have to find out.

One thing I do that I highly recommend is magnetizing tall standards (i.e. dreadnought). They're always the first thing to break when anyone is reaching across the table. Having them able to 'break' away via a magnet means zero actual breakage and zero need for repair, just mag it back into palce and carry on.

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I also recommend that you don't EVER touch a model that's to be entered into some form of competition. I don't care if you're holding it over a feather pillow... Hands Off!... Keep your hands off, don't even bother asking, let the notion of handling it pass; just move on.

For very well painted model owners; it's OK to say "No!". I tell people "no" all the time. Why? Certainly not because I'm selfish... I'm preventing that person from potentially making a mistake they'll feel awful about.

nkelsch wrote:
You deserved a poor score, breaking someone's model and offering zero restitution is rude and bad behavior.

"all I can say is I'm sorry" is low class. You could have offered to replace it. Most times people will say if it is no big deal, but if you were raised right you would know it is your responsibility to offer restitution and then if the person declines, it is fine.

If you break someone's model, you should offer to replace it in full or whatever it takes to restore it to whatever the person feels is "whole". Anything else shows complete lack of respect and social skills.

nkelsch wrote:
See, funny you should say that my attitude is a lawsuit based culture. What you describe, the "Yeah, I did it, accidents happen, I am not obligated to fix gak." is what forces people to become unreasonable and sue. If people owned up to their actions, everone is a lot more reasonable and lawyers don't need to be involved. Saying you apologize, don't game in public is a selfish entitled attitude and is rude.

I would ask that you point out where I stated "not obligated to fix s--t". I stated that it would be chivalrous to offer to replace it, but not mandatory. In regards to filing a lawsuit over damages, no case law has ever asked that a car that was backed into and not UTTERLY DESTROYED (as I previously stated, read into this: total loss) be replaced in full by the respondent in the case. Demanding a brand new model is absurd if the damage does not warrant it.

If you break something, even unintentionally, then you should offer to fix it. This is the NON-lawyer solution because you accept fault and make repairs. You have to let the person decide what makes it whole. Some models with amazing paintjobs can never be repaired simply by gluing stuff back together and patching paint. THey would literally have to redo the paint and repair from scratch. Now *MOST* people will straight up say 'oh, that model breaks, hand me the super glue.' or 'my painting sucks, I can repair that. But that is their choice. Making a judgement of your opponents level of effort only justifies superglue is rude. I hhave seen people break golden demon quality models and people simply don't realize the sculpting and paint can't be 'fixed' with no effort.

Here, we agree. I would offer to fix it. But you didn't say that originally, did you? You may have left it as an option under your 'makes one whole' doctrine, but you first response was replacement, and you indicated that not offering a replacement was a poor reflection of character. If you're painting to Golden Demon quality, and the model is damaged, that is unfortunate, but buying you a brand new model will not replace the paint job. When you park a car in a parking lot (even with a custom paintjob, just to make it an even comparison) and someone backs into it, they don't buy you a new car.

Where I come from, if I broke your window playing baseball, I go to the owner, confess what I did and do whatever it takes to right the wrong even though it was an accident. I don't say "screw you old man, you shouldn't have build your house in a neighborhood where kids play... Imagine if everyone took the atitude that by being in a location where accidents happen no one is ever responsible for their actions?

We agree on this as well. But again, I ask where I said 'screw you old man' by anything I said? What said was "If a person expects to be repaid in full for every model damaged by another player accidentally, they should not bring their models into a FLGS in the first place. " You example would be more fitting if someone put stained glass windows in their house and lived next to a baseball field. You take an inherent and known risk by bringing expensive and 'unfixable' items into a chaotic environment. You can do that if you wish, but demanding that the kid who hit a foul ball during his game offer to replace your broken window is illogical.

Either be careful about your surroundings or be willing to accept the consequences of your mistakes. Seems, people in our hobby are too content with 'I broke your stuff, so what, I will apologize with nice cheap words instead of paying to fix it.' While we know other people are going to be selfish and cheap and refuse to replace stuff they broke, you have control over your own actions and you can do the right thing even if little fatty mcgee wouldn't do the same. Saying 'No one else does it, so I'm not responsible is an excuse and mob mentality.

Again, we agree on the first part. But by generalizing the entire 'hobby', you've made a logical fallacy. Not every person can afford a Stormraven. As spyguyyoda said, wouldn't it be worse to offer than have to withdraw on the offer because you cannot afford to replace said model? And again, where did I say 'no one else does it, so I'm not responsible'? You've been assigning traits to my statement that were not made. Is this displacement over some perceived wrong that has occurred to you in the past? I for one would offer to FIX the model, but would not offer to replace it. It was not destroyed, therefore it does not need a replacement.

If I break a model, I offer to replace it. So far no one has ever taken me up on the offer, but they appreciate the willingness to do what is right. If I knocked you DKoK on the floor and broke and ruined your whole army, I would offer to replace it. That is the right thing to do because I take responsibility of my actions. I am not going to freak out on you if you wouldn't do the same, but I can't be held responsible for your strength of character.

I'm glad you hold yourself to such a high specific requirement, yet I still fail to see how your requirement reflects on the community as a whole. Do you live a sin/crime/vice free life? Would you demand all people also follow that standard? So what if the table legs give out, and the other player blames you for the destruction? Would you so willingly pay for them?

Strength of character and strength of means plays a large part here. Not every warhammer player is rich. Though an expensive hobby, that does not mean the person using the models purchased them or would have the means to purchase them again.

I applaud your standard and wish more people had the ability to replace everything they ever damaged as you can. But this is not true. All I was asking was that if you have an expensive/well painted army, you understand the risk you are taking by playing with them. And with that understanding, you must also realize accidents will happen, and that not everyone can replace your limited edition Gold Space Marines with attachments from 1992, and that an apology may have to suffice.

If you can't accept that, I'd rather you play at home than a store.

EDIT: tl;dr Being a jerk about it is what I said. I said be prepared for accidents, not everyone can afford to replace, thus won't offer.

I've only broken my own models. And then nothing major really; couple of Necrons become unglued at the waist, arms fallen off Genestealers. I knocked my shelf the other week and all three of my Killa Kans fell from a great height and amazingly all bounced without damage!

But should I break an opponents model, and I mean REALLY break it opposed to just catching it and the arm falling off because it wasn't glued right, then I would not hesitate to reimburse the cost of the model and apologise profusely. I know the cost of the model does not replace the work that went into painting it but, but the cost of the model is the least anyone should offer.

I was watching a game of Crons vs. SM and asked if I could touch the monlith model. The player said sure so I looked at it and LITERALLY put one finger on top of the Monoliths piece that curls overtop of the gem. There was no force at all but the piece EXPLODED off the model. I could have died..... I quickly apologized and offered to fix the model. I think what happened is the guy used cheaper glue and from there I have no earthly clue what happened from there. It wasn't even a break so much as the piece violently popped off. The guy said it was fine and joked about me trying to break his Necrons. I have also had models the I added bits to or modified just kinda pop apart but it was never a big issue. Anyhow I now try and avoid touching other peoples models since it is quite embarrassing to have crap happen

Benamint wrote:I was watching a game of Crons vs. SM and asked if I could touch the monlith model. The player said sure so I looked at it and LITERALLY put one finger on top of the Monoliths piece that curls overtop of the gem. There was no force at all but the piece EXPLODED off the model. I could have died..... I quickly apologized and offered to fix the model. I think what happened is the guy used cheaper glue and from there I have no earthly clue what happened from there. It wasn't even a break so much as the piece violently popped off. The guy said it was fine and joked about me trying to break his Necrons. I have also had models the I added bits to or modified just kinda pop apart but it was never a big issue. Anyhow I now try and avoid touching other peoples models since it is quite embarrassing to have crap happen

Have you checked to see if you are capable of bench pressing incredible amount of weight, are impervious to any kind of physical damage, but also have a deadly vulnerability to water?

Hahahaha I wish.... It was just one of those, "Oh crap that did not just happen!" moments. Buuuuut sure enough it did. I was very confused. And honestly I am definitely not impervious to physical damage though I have taken some hard shots in boxing and kept coming

Oh my broadsides...
So many times their metal railguns have been snapped off...
Normally its me and my best friend that brea them, so I don't really mind.
But one time at my FLGS, I was playing a game, and the kid on the board next to me knocked both of them off the table. Smashing them.
The worst part was... HE DIDN'T SAY SORRY! He just sort of looked at them and turned around.
I wasn't that annoyed because it happens loads.

I've never broken someone else's model, but I can imagine the feeling.
"Oh no, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to, I'm so sorry."

I've broken someones broadside on accident. Walking by the table my hoodie got snagged and i shook the table causing the broadside to fall off the building he was on and the rail gun flatout snapped off.
He was really cool about it, but i was REALLY embarassed. I had my glue and offered to fix it for him along with an apology for being a klutz.

I take my stuff out in public on the understanding that its at my own risk. This applies to my models, books, Airsoft guns and motorcycle (Although I do have insurance to cover the cost on the last one,) If someone accidentally breaks/damages one of the uninsured things and is truly apologetic, Then its not a big deal, its annoying but not the end of the world. The thing that winds me up is folk handling the models in a way that it is very likely to get broken, and then not being apologetic, but that is a different situation. If I choose to put my one in a million, preciously painted model onto the table in a public place, its my problem. I would and have done so, accept the apology and move on, its all part of playing the game.

Nkelsch clearly wasn't raised right... lol come on, people make mistakes, its just as likely to happen to any one of us. Honestly I would be terribley offended if someone broke one of my models then was like, "I'm sorry, let me buy you a new one." Maybe thats just because all of my models are repositioned and modified, but still. The only hard part to lose is the work and time you put into the model. Money doesn't fix things really, and to imply it did would just cause me to actually become upset with you.

I remember accidently knocking over a kid's Broadside battlesuit (never one for being a particularry strong model), breaking it into a couple of pieces. I stuck the thing back together with some super glue and tried to continue the game, but all my opponent was concerned with was griping at me. If someone apologises to you and fixes your model then you really not aught to moan at them about it, I mean people break my stuff all the time, but I just whip out a tube of glue and continue playing. I guess it comes down to how seriously you take the hobby, and well I really don't care about such silly matters (though this is my opinion on tabletop quality miniatures that are easy to fix, I think people are a bit more careful with resin and artful pieces....that aren't typically brought to a board game). =/

Wyrmalla wrote:I remember accidently knocking over a kid's Broadside battlesuit (never one for being a particularry strong model), breaking it into a couple of pieces. I stuck the thing back together with some super glue and tried to continue the game, but all my opponent was concerned with was griping at me. If someone apologises to you and fixes your model then you really not aught to moan at them about it, I mean people break my stuff all the time, but I just whip out a tube of glue and continue playing. I guess it comes down to how seriously you take the hobby, and well I really don't care about such silly matters (though this is my opinion on tabletop quality miniatures that are easy to fix, I think people are a bit more careful with resin and artful pieces....that aren't typically brought to a board game). =/

Agreed. True dat.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Umm, accidents happen. It's a public place and you've got a lot of delicate things one a table and not in a display case, and lots of events and are crowded or cramped so its very easy to knock something over. Unless the breakage is malicious or an act of clear stupidity (like running around) then I think a lot of the time you just have to suck it up and accept a well meant apology. Not open your wallet and expect a replacement.

For a start there's a lot of people taking Forgeworld stuff to games and that is both very fragile and very expensive. You take on a lot of risk bringing that so having a little bump that breaks it does not mean you are entitled to an exorbitantly priced replacement. A lot of people have the money to slowly to build up an army themselves but not drop money on buying you replacements for your insanely expensive stuff.

So no, unless they smash your stuff by being really stupid like running around the shop like a kid, or deliberately damaging it - simply knocking it over is just an accident. It's easy enough done with all these models being covered in spikes and poles. If you're that worried about having every breakage paid for either leave them at home or get some insurance or something.

I've known things broken and damaged at events and no one ever expected a replacement or cash money even for very expensive models. Accidents happen. When you take your models to an event you carry the burden of covering replacement costs on your models through loss or damage, you don't agree to carry the burden of covering the costs of everyone else's models whatever that might be, which could be hideously expensive if they've brought their DKoK.

Soooo, if for example you happen to have an expensive bicycle (or car), and you ride it on a busy public road, and someone not paying attention runs into you, and it is completely his fault and you are alright but your bike (or car) is broken in half, then "I am sincerely sorry" would suffice, because accidents happen?

Or, suppose you are wearing expensive clothes and you are dining in a crowded restaurant, and the person behind you becomes ill and vomits all over you, or trips and a glass of wine falls on top of you (or both at the same time), which he doesn't do on purpose obviously but your clothes are ruined, then there is no compensation needed because it's an accident?

I am afraid it does not work that way AT ALL.

In both of those examples you are taking your expensive property into the public place and there always is risk. Depending on the severity of damage and certain other factors there definitely are many circumstances where compensation is in order or even required by law (depending on country probably/maybe), despite it only being an accident. This is why people should have insurance, or in case of children their parents should have it.

As someone who set up a Warhammer club at a secondary school (insane, I know) I have pretty much come to accept that if I take my models along then they will end up in various states of disrepair.

Probably the worst case was when a 12 year old child tripped over his own feet. He throws his arm out to catch onto a table to break his fall and it just so happens that that is the table that the 40K game with my Tau is being played at. His flailing arm managed to sweep all my Broadsides off the table.

I'm pretty sure my blood pressure doubled as I just managed to contain the barrage of swearing which was charging full speed from my vocal chords to my lips. He apologised after managing to get to his feet and as he'd managed to not step on my models I just told him to sit down and watch, as opposed to sending him away from the table completely.

TBD wrote:


Soooo, if for example you happen to have an expensive bicycle (or car), and you ride it on a busy public road, and someone not paying attention runs into you, and it is completely his fault and you are alright but your bike (or car) is broken in half, then "I am sincerely sorry" would suffice, because accidents happen?

Or, suppose you are wearing expensive clothes and you are dining in a crowded restaurant, and the person behind you becomes ill and vomits all over you, or trips and a glass of wine falls on top of you (or both at the same time), which he doesn't do on purpose obviously but your clothes are ruined, then there is no compensation needed because it's an accident?

I am afraid it does not work that way AT ALL.

In both of those examples you are taking your expensive property into the public place and there always is risk. Depending on the severity of damage and certain other factors there definitely are many circumstances where compensation is in order or even required by law (depending on country probably/maybe), despite it only being an accident. This is why people should have insurance, or in case of children their parents should have it.

Indeed, if it is clearly a case of someone being an idiot, then yes some kind of financial contribution would be required. However, if I'm in the pub and someone bumps into someone, who then spills a bit of beer over me, thats life.

This is why I have my glue with me at all times in my case, mostly because of my own models, I have however on occasion broken a friend's model, but I apologise and glue it back together. But those are friends, so I don't how people I don't know would react.

The worst I've ever done is breaking my own model, a freshly painted mannfred von carstein that I spent 3 solid days painting, put him on the table, lifted my arm back up, my coat catches the model and flicks it 3 feet up into the air and down onto the floor which promptly breaks up into all it's component pieces, fun times. Not something I'd wish upon my worst enemy.

The Wolf wrote:

Indeed, if it is clearly a case of someone being an idiot, then yes some kind of financial contribution would be required. However, if I'm in the pub and someone bumps into someone, who then spills a bit of beer over me, thats life.

Beer usually doesn't completely ruin or destroy your clothes

That is why I said "depending on severity of damage".

However if you spill your drink and there he is, an enraged Michael Clarke Duncan lookalike, demanding you pay for the cleaning of his shirt, then good luck playing the "accident card"!

That is why I also said "depending on certain other factors"

if you read people's nationality and how they react, you'll notice some amusing patterns

Redaxe13 wrote:if you read people's nationality and how they react, you'll notice some amusing patterns

Yes, us Brits keep it all inside then snap and write an angry letter

Top hole ol' chap! Stiff upper lip and all that! he he. Actually, I'm Scottish so I dunno what that means, Strip off my top, paint myself blue and charge? he he

If you look in my gallery at my salamanders I spend like 10-15 hours converting and painting per mini, not to mention vehicles.
Had a game with a friend some time ago and while I stacked up my 1850p of salamanders mixed with grey knights (which are even more carefully painted) on one end of the table in order to deploy them my friend managed to turn the whole table upside down so everything fell scattered on the floor everywhere. All broken, banged up and in pieces, some times broken through the plastic instead of glued joints.

I couldnt believe what I saw, I was raging mad at his clumsiness and he was ashen faced on the floor looking for pieces of all those minis. It took us hours and hours again to find, sort and glue everything back together again and repair paint damage. By now it was in the middle of the night and we decided to redo the game and started to deploy our armies....by which he DOES IT ALL OVER AGAIN and puts the table upside down by some super clumsy body move.

By now I am on my way to the kitchen to find a meat axe in order to put a permanent end to is body ever moving again (I figured I can still play against him if he is in a wheel chair and he wont be able to destroy 1850p of my minis that way) while he is on the way to the hall to find his shoes and escape.

LOL

That was fun, naturally in retrospect, while it happened I was in a state of horror.
Nowdays when we play I keep a constant watch of him and never fail to remind him to keep a watch over his pear shaped super clumsy body.

I've never broken anyone elses models, but if I did, I would at least offer to replace them. If I messed up, accident or not, then I feel obligated to make it up to the owner. Some people pour their heart and soul into these models.

I would expect the same courtesy from anyone I played with as well.

The "Accidents happen, Don't bring out your models to play" is just silly. Should I not drive as well? I mean, I could get into an accident with someone, that doesn't have insurance.

Plus, how many of these "Accidents" happen from not paying attention, and being aware of your surroundings. If people practiced a little more care, these kind of things would not happen.


Owning up to your actions, is part of being a responsible adult. Accidents happen, but it is still your fault what has transpired, and you should expect to pay for the costs associated with the damage if asked to.