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For those of us that have done it, there is nothing like that sinking feeling as you watch your opponent's model fall to the cement flooring and shatter. It is almost as bad as the feeling when you have to look up at your opponent with a look of helplessness.

For me, it was the last tournament I attended. I was playing in the final round against a Blood Angels opponent and he had turned the tide against me. I was losing and he knew he had me in the preverbial death roll. In one of the final turns, I turned and my elbow knocked his Stormraven from the table, sending it to the floor. It burst into a few pieces and I quickly collected them. I turned to him and said, "All I can say is, 'I'm sorry.'" He placed the base back on the table and we completed our game.

I came to find out later that my Sportsmanship score in that particular game was tanked. Like, 2 out of 10 (I think). It was quite poor. I am of the belief that my opponent thought I did that on purpose, but that was not the case. I have not seen that particular opponent since to talk to him about it, but I was curious about Dakka's experiences.

Have you accidentally destroyed your opponent's model? How did you handle it? How did he?

I think the only time I may have broken a model is knock an arm off a model by accident or such, so I apologised and we moved on, it was a pretty small thing.

I have however had someone sit on my army at a tournie while it was set-up on a table. Several Daemonettes were squashed along with my changeling I was planning to enter in a painting comp that day.

The guy just said "Oh.. sorry" and waddled off.

I was very pissed.

You deserved a poor score, breaking someone's model and offering zero restitution is rude and bad behavior.

"all I can say is I'm sorry" is low class. You could have offered to replace it. Most times people will say if it is no big deal, but if you were raised right you would know it is your responsibility to offer restitution and then if the person declines, it is fine.

If you break someone's model, you should offer to replace it in full or whatever it takes to restore it to whatever the person feels is "whole". Anything else shows complete lack of respect and social skills.

nkelsch wrote:You deserved a poor score, breaking someone's model and offering zero restitution is rude and bad behavior.

"all I can say is I'm sorry" is low class. You could have offered to replace it. Most times people will say if it is no big deal, but if you were raised right you would know it is your responsibility to offer restitution and then if the person declines, it is fine.

If you break someone's model, you should offer to replace it in full or whatever it takes to restore it to whatever the person feels is "whole". Anything else shows complete lack of respect and social skills.

Well, to be fair, the Stormraven wasn't broken beyond repair. A wing came off, the tail came off and a few other pieces. The Stormraven was not so badly off that I didn't think it couldn't be fixed. The body was intact. If it was in such disrepair that it couldn't have been fixed, I would've offered to replace it.

Also, my apology wasn't as unfeeling as you seem to think. I collected the pieces, assessed the damage and apologized for what I had done. It was not like I threw his pieces at him and said, "Let's get on with it." I felt like sh*t. And he said something along the lines of the fact that he could fix it and it wasn't a big deal (hence why I was surprised about my Sportsmanship score).

I am not socially inept and I think I handled it as well as it could be handled. I wasn't raising this issue to see what you thought of what I did. I brought it up to hear others' experiences. Thanks for the moral lesson, though.

puma713 wrote:

nkelsch wrote:You deserved a poor score, breaking someone's model and offering zero restitution is rude and bad behavior.

"all I can say is I'm sorry" is low class. You could have offered to replace it. Most times people will say if it is no big deal, but if you were raised right you would know it is your responsibility to offer restitution and then if the person declines, it is fine.

If you break someone's model, you should offer to replace it in full or whatever it takes to restore it to whatever the person feels is "whole". Anything else shows complete lack of respect and social skills.

Well, to be fair, the Stormraven wasn't broken beyond repair. A wing came off, the tail came off and a few other pieces. The Stormraven was not so badly off that I didn't think it couldn't be fixed. The body was intact. If it was in such disrepair that it couldn't have been fixed, I would've offered to replace it.

Also, my apology wasn't as unfeeling as you seem to think. I collected the pieces, assessed the damage and apologized for what I had done. It was not like I threw his pieces at him and said, "Let's get on with it." I felt like sh*t.

I am not socially inept and I think I handled it as well as it could be handled. I wasn't raising this issue to see what you thought of what I did. I brought it up to hear others' experiences. Thanks for the moral lesson, though.

Depending on your level of painting skill relative to his, I would have offered to fix it for him.

Odds are there was more damage than just broken pieces, he likely had to repaint chips and scratches, which is far more annoying than just pieces.

That said, offering to replace it won't fix it. I don't honestly care about the cost of the models nearly as much as the work that goes into them. If someone dropped my stormraven, there is really nothing they can do that would make me feel any better.

Not sure there would be many people that would take the offer of someone saying they would fix it.

If you did put a fair amount of effort into a model, having someone else paint some bits of it probably wouldnt sit too well.

Thats how I would feel about it anyway.

Xeriapt wrote:Not sure there would be many people that would take the offer of someone saying they would fix it.

If you did put a fair amount of effort into a model, having someone else paint some bits of it probably wouldnt sit too well.

Thats how I would feel about it anyway.

Thats why I said it depends on skill.

I'm fairly confident I could do a better job fixing it than most people I see playing.

You ultimately broke someone else's model. It has never happened to me, but I would be heartbroken because I'm painstakingly meticulous about my painting and modeling.

Likewise, if I ever broke someone's model, I'd profusely apologize, acknowledge that they don't want me to touch their stuff anymore, and at the very LEAST offer to purchase materials that would help them fix it.
The damage will be greatly lessened if they walked away with a broken model, some new glue, and a pot of paint or something.

Luckily for me, I've never broken anything worse than an infantryman's gun/standard/arm/etc, but I feel awful when I do it, or when someone else has it happen to them. I make sure to always carry some super glue in case it does though, on the rare occasion that I do it/someone else does, I always offer my glue to repair it.

Someone dropped my forgeworld dreadnought on the floor once.

I kinda got mad and yelled at him a bit.

he tanked my sportsmanship.

I was upset :(

Ive been on both sides of that scenario... its just terrible, either way.

Horst wrote:

I'm fairly confident I could do a better job fixing it than most people I see playing.

Yeah. If someone did it to me, this is how I would feel. Maybe that is why I treated the issue like I did.

Absolutionis wrote:
The damage will be greatly lessened if they walked away with a broken model, some new glue, and a pot of paint or something.

This is true. I probably could've been more proactive. If I remember correctly, I asked him if there was anything I could do. Probably should've pushed the issue though.

Anyway, am I the only one that's done something like this? Man, making me feel worse.

Someone broke a model of mine awhile back. broke the flag from my chaplian on a bike.
I said to him
Pfffft, Ha, that thing breaks all the time, no biggie.
Know if they are showing total disregard to my models i would be upset.

puma713 wrote:

Horst wrote:

I'm fairly confident I could do a better job fixing it than most people I see playing.

Yeah. If someone did it to me, this is how I would feel. Maybe that is why I treated the issue like I did.

Absolutionis wrote:
The damage will be greatly lessened if they walked away with a broken model, some new glue, and a pot of paint or something.

This is true. I probably could've been more proactive. If I remember correctly, I asked him if there was anything I could do. Probably should've pushed the issue though.

Anyway, am I the only one that's done something like this? Man, making me feel worse.

I don't blame you for not knowing what to do, man. It sucks all the way around. Just gotta be as careful as you can, and as accommodating and apologetic as you can if it DOES happen.

When I worked at GW, there was a guy named Jeff that I was warned to never let him touch one of my models, or it would break.

A couple days later, we had a whole shelf of preview models in our room.

Jeff walked in, walked over...looked at the models...and walked away.

I kid you not but three of them fell apart as he walked away.

I never let him near my stuff after that.

ahahahaha....LOL. Poor Jeff! He must be a total magnet of DOOM.

I don't destroy my opponent's models. They do everything in their power - it seems - to destroy mine. One friend in particular has become infamous for breaking my terrain and models. Any time he knocks anything over, game related or otherwise, one of us will always say "Stop breaking the terrain Stuart!".

My beastmen BSB stands around 5+" tall and I kid you not 60% of my games someone will break him. And the look on their face makes me feel bad but I just tell them no problem and whip out my superglue.

I tend to break my own models because they either tubbled of the buildings I put them in. I drop them while moving them, trip and flip the edge of the table during deployment, etc. To put it short, I'm a klutz. So I don't even DARE touch my opponents models if I can help it. Though when I do go gaming I carry my superglue with me. To fix my own models and thiers if need be.

You should offer to pay for the materials and time it takes to repair and re-paint/model if necessary.

If the model is a write off and it can't be repaired then I would imagine you were doing something silly for that to happen in the first place or you are extremely unlucky (maybe a tank dropping to the floor which you then stand on looking for it).

It's called gakker tax. Everyone has to pay it at some point.

Wasn't a tourney, but my Trygon Swarmlord with chameleon paint got knocked off the table (the bone swords caught in his baggie pullovers' elbow) while I was playing by a 'larger' gentleman as he was trying to get past. There were a few gasps from the group I was playing in as I was gonna go ballistic. The most gauling part is that the stupid lump of gristle didn't even register that he'd done it! Fortunately for that guy he left before I could collect all the pieces and confront him, accidents happen but to just ignor it like he did is just plain rude.

To the OP, I would have been mortified, however I would have had more of a conversation with you and not left you hanging as your opponant sounds to have done. You obviously made an effort and for that I would have been grateful, so don't feel too bad.

I once broke a man's 20 genestealers by yawning. I then made, and painted, those 20 genestealers. I offered to do it, and it was a good test of skill. They even came out better than he had done them. Strangly enough, he let me keep them as that turned out be be last nid game and he had wanted to move onto crons. It never hurts to be polite

How did you break something by yawning? Are you secretly a banshee with the power of kinetic sound?

H.B.M.C. wrote:How did you break something by yawning? Are you secretly a banshee with the power of kinetic sound?

NONO, I yawned and my arm knocked them off the table aswell as crushing several (im not fat btw)

Perhaps when the model fell to the floor, you should have said, "Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do to ALL of your models in this game BIATCH!" Then when he came over to pick the pieces up off the floor, you could have repeatedly thrust your groin into his face?

Pacific wrote:Perhaps when the model fell to the floor, you should have said, "Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do to ALL of your models in this game BIATCH!" Then when he came over to pick the pieces up off the floor, you could have repeatedly thrust your groin into his face?

FTW

Pacific wrote:Perhaps when the model fell to the floor, you should have said, "Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do to ALL of your models in this game BIATCH!" Then when he came over to pick the pieces up off the floor, you could have repeatedly thrust your groin into his face?

That's hilarious.

Umm, accidents happen. It's a public place and you've got a lot of delicate things one a table and not in a display case, and lots of events and are crowded or cramped so its very easy to knock something over. Unless the breakage is malicious or an act of clear stupidity (like running around) then I think a lot of the time you just have to suck it up and accept a well meant apology. Not open your wallet and expect a replacement.

For a start there's a lot of people taking Forgeworld stuff to games and that is both very fragile and very expensive. You take on a lot of risk bringing that so having a little bump that breaks it does not mean you are entitled to an exorbitantly priced replacement. A lot of people have the money to slowly to build up an army themselves but not drop money on buying you replacements for your insanely expensive stuff.

So no, unless they smash your stuff by being really stupid like running around the shop like a kid, or deliberately damaging it - simply knocking it over is just an accident. It's easy enough done with all these models being covered in spikes and poles. If you're that worried about having every breakage paid for either leave them at home or get some insurance or something.

I've known things broken and damaged at events and no one ever expected a replacement or cash money even for very expensive models. Accidents happen. When you take your models to an event you carry the burden of covering replacement costs on your models through loss or damage, you don't agree to carry the burden of covering the costs of everyone else's models whatever that might be, which could be hideously expensive if they've brought their DKoK.

I don't think i've ever even seen anyone break someone else's models.
Knocked a few of my own on the floor, but as of yet know one else's. Would probably feel pretty bad about it...

If I had $1 for everytime someonem accidently broke my old metal Njal model I would have alot of money. It's not that bad, I accidently broke a head of someone's hive tyrant which all he had to do was replace it but he insisted that I'd buy him a new one immediately or else.