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Tadashi wrote:Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

No human force would be able to destroy Commoragh, even if they have all the guns and soldiers in the Imperium it wouldn't change the fact that they can't destroy something that they cant get to. The only reason that the Salamanders were able to get in in the story in the DE codex was because Vect intentionally left the front door open to weaken his opposition. As long as Vect is alive, nothing will ever be able to get in or out of Commoragh without him allowing it.

As long as there is something out in the galaxy that feels pain, the Dark Eldar will leech off of them. Their population is growing and has been steadily for a long time, as long as some sort of prey is out there, I think the DE are pretty safe. The Craftworlders and Exodites are a whole different story though, IMO Ynnead is their last chance of having any sort of long term future.

Gorechild wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

No human force would be able to destroy Commoragh, even if they have all the guns and soldiers in the Imperium it wouldn't change the fact that they can't destroy something that they cant get to. The only reason that the Salamanders were able to get in in the story in the DE codex was because Vect intentionally left the front door open to weaken his opposition. As long as Vect is alive, nothing will ever be able to get in or out of Commoragh without him allowing it.

As long as there is something out in the galaxy that feels pain, the Dark Eldar will leech off of them. Their population is growing and has been steadily for a long time, as long as some sort of prey is out there, I think the DE are pretty safe. The Craftworlders and Exodites are a whole different story though, IMO Ynnead is their last chance of having any sort of long term future.

Actually, what I meant was that the Imperium's only chance to finish off the Dark Eldar was during the Great Crusade, or rather, in the time period corresponding to the Heresy, if it didn't happen. We all know the Emperor's plans to break into the Webway, right? At that point, just breach the Webway and have Warmaster Horus lead his Expeditionary Force into Commoragh. Think about it, an entire Grand Company (equivalent to a post-Heresy Chapter), a Crusade Force from the Imperial Army (equivalent to post-Heresy Guard/Naval Crusade), and a full Titan Legion. All led by the Emperor's greatest, brightest son. The Dark Eldar wouldn't stand a chance.

Tadashi wrote:
Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

even then it really depends on how they attack. Marching straight into a 4th dimensional fortress of a highly advanced enemy has many stumbling points.

But truely the DE are not interested in galactic domination. They steal, they raid, they rape, they pillage, but they dont conquer planets. Nids are the threat and the best way to kill them is to co-opt the DE to help fight them.

Besides if the Craftworlders are dead, and they find a way to slay slaanesh, then the DE would no longer fear she who thirsts so they would no longer need so many slaves. It would be interesting

Exergy wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

even then it really depends on how they attack. Marching straight into a 4th dimensional fortress of a highly advanced enemy has many stumbling points.

As I said, assault Commoragh when the Heresy didn't happen. They were more creative and innovative then. They'd cope with it better. And Horus (or any other Primarch) will be leading them.

But truely the DE are not interested in galactic domination. They steal, they raid, they rape, they pillage, but they dont conquer planets. Nids are the threat and the best way to kill them is to co-opt the DE to help fight them.

Besides if the Craftworlders are dead, and they find a way to slay slaanesh, then the DE would no longer fear she who thirsts so they would no longer need so many slaves. It would be interesting

Not really. It would just get worse. There's no need to hold back on psychic abilities and pleasures since there's no risk left, right? Dark Eldar attacks would double at least. At worst, another Fall would occur, ripping the heart out of the Webway, and double gak for the galaxy.

Gorechild wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Which is bad. Craftworld Eldar are hard enough to deal with already. How much harder if all the Craftworlders are dead, and we have to deal with the Dark Eldar ourselves? We don't have the resources we used to have...come to think of it, only a full Expeditionary Fleet from the Great Crusade has a chance to destroy Commoragh.

No human force would be able to destroy Commoragh, even if they have all the guns and soldiers in the Imperium it wouldn't change the fact that they can't destroy something that they cant get to. The only reason that the Salamanders were able to get in in the story in the DE codex was because Vect intentionally left the front door open to weaken his opposition. As long as Vect is alive, nothing will ever be able to get in or out of Commoragh without him allowing it.

As long as there is something out in the galaxy that feels pain, the Dark Eldar will leech off of them. Their population is growing and has been steadily for a long time, as long as some sort of prey is out there, I think the DE are pretty safe. The Craftworlders and Exodites are a whole different story though, IMO Ynnead is their last chance of having any sort of long term future.

Its not actually. The only thing the eldar need to do is have or grow more babies and they will be fine. The Dark Eldar have shown them the way. They have the technology, they have but the will to do it.

At worst they apparently have the capacity to exit the galaxy. Do so, even pull a necron and bail off the fringe into hibernation for a million years or so, and come back when things have quieted down.

what I would love to hear your opinions on, in this conversation involving the chaos gods, eldar gods, and the Emperor, how do Gork and Mork fit in to all this? The only reason i dont say this as a joke is because of The Great Game. All will have a part to play.

Apart from Biel-tan the rest is focusing on making a final reproach, it's more a finishing the burial without the devil hanging over to nom ya, They want a ragnarok style end of everything and then rest in peace.

As much as I dislike the Eldar for the whole of we are better than you thing, I do not want them to die. I would like to possible see them regrow some. Although isnt it like everytime one is born slaanesh is automaticly controling that childs sole?

No, when an Eldar strays off the path and gives in to their emotion, Slaanesh gets them. Or if they do something silly like Eldrad.

Durza wrote:No, when an Eldar strays off the path and gives in to their emotion, Slaanesh gets them. Or if they do something silly like Eldrad.

Eldrad did not do something silly and his soul is still in that fortress, Ulthwe is in fact already brewing up a 500+ year master plan to get him out already, without him the physical universe was toast do not take him lightly.
eeyup,some might see him as silly I see pure heroics.

In answer to the original question, I think the exodites have been forgotten here. They live a simple existence of farmers and hunters, plus they have a lot more free space so they're likely to have a higher birth rate than that of the craftworlds. Their world spirits contribute souls towards Ynnead's awakening. Whether every eldar must die for it to happen is something that's strongly suggested in the fluff, but I doub we'll ever find out as it's unlikely the story will be moved forward.

Juniperius wrote:

Durza wrote:No, when an Eldar strays off the path and gives in to their emotion, Slaanesh gets them. Or if they do something silly like Eldrad.

Eldrad did not do something silly and his soul is still in that fortress, Ulthwe is in fact already brewing up a 500+ year master plan to get him out already, without him the physical universe was toast do not take him lightly.
eeyup,some might see him as silly I see pure heroics.

Psychically attacking a daemon right outside the Eye of Terror? Silly. Even if he didn't know it was Slaanesh.

Durza wrote:
Psychically attacking a daemon right outside the Eye of Terror? Silly. Even if he didn't know it was Slaanesh.

Wait, what? I have never heard of this part? Can someone explain?

(yey, first post! )

The Emperor is never going to be reborn. That was the lies of a cultist group lead by a lord of change. Also known as a colourful retcon.

The Eldar's future is undecided because it is intertwined with humanities. Like all races in 40k they are locked in stagnation with ultimate demise likely a long ways off. For the next few thousand it will likely be endless war.