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-Loki- wrote:The whole release though? You can't be a Tyranid player.

Or perhaps because he IS a tyranid player that its underwhelmed.

As i mentioned, who ever needed those units already built their own.
So the new release basically means " is this new one awe someone enough for me to buy it to replace my old ones"

Its understandable totally.

Though its sort of large and cool, like someone mentioned, can get it for Alpha Tervigon

Zweischneid wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tyranid weapons are organic, they're like beehives growing out of the creatures own body. Not that dumb.

I know that. Still LOOKs dumb because, unlike a bee-stinger, those "organic" weapons still look like "guns" grabbed by a creature. And they are still (including the ammunition) largly seperate organisms. A "bee-hive" nesting in another creater would still, well, need to nest their first. It cannot do that if said host-creature is itself not even born yet.

This is why I hate the fact that shooty nids is the only usable build...

LunaHound wrote:As i mentioned, who ever needed those units already built their own.
So the new release basically means " is this new one awe someone enough for me to buy it to replace my old ones"

This was my point. Winged Tyrant? Take your pick. The Tervigon has been such an essential part of any Tyranid build for so long now, you have to already have a few. And, while the model is good, it is nothing better than a Carnifex with lumpy greenstuff and a spare gant. Which, I might add, runs you almost 10 bucks cheaper. I'd give you the bitz sprues, if they weren't half the price of the kit. At no point are 3 Meltaguns worth 20 bucks.

You know what would have been nice? A Harpy. Or a Tyrannofex that wasn't crap. You're telling me this spindly creature, with many tiny unarmored limbs is somehow less vulnerable than the masculine Carnifex? I'm not buying it. Frankly, this Tervigon looks fragile too. A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

DarkHound wrote: A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

This again tells me you can't be a Tyranid player. Something the size of a flying Trygon (which it will be - the same rumour sources giving us the second wave info said it would be between Valkyrie and Razorwing in size, on the large flying base) with T5 and 4 wounds will not see play. I'd be jazzed with a Harpy, but because I want to paint one, not because I want to throw away ~160 points every game.

Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

Tapping my foot and waiting for my tyrannofex. Not so much on the tyrant model.

-Loki- wrote:

DarkHound wrote: A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

This again tells me you can't be a Tyranid player. Something the size of a flying Trygon (which it will be - the same rumour sources giving us the second wave info said it would be between Valkyrie and Razorwing in size, on the large flying base) with T5 and 4 wounds will not see play. I'd be jazzed with a Harpy, but because I want to paint one, not because I want to throw away ~160 points every game.

Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

Not to step in on either side here but I know 3 tyranid players and they all converted at least one tervigon or tyrannofex before this release. Perhaps it's just your area.

VikingScott wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

DarkHound wrote: A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

This again tells me you can't be a Tyranid player. Something the size of a flying Trygon (which it will be - the same rumour sources giving us the second wave info said it would be between Valkyrie and Razorwing in size, on the large flying base) with T5 and 4 wounds will not see play. I'd be jazzed with a Harpy, but because I want to paint one, not because I want to throw away ~160 points every game.

Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

Not to step in on either side here but I know 3 tyranid players and they all converted at least one tervigon or tyrannofex before this release. Perhaps it's just your area.

My area that includes people in the UK, in the US, and in various parts of Australia. That's a big area.

Again, it's all anecdotal. Writing off this wave as unimpressive because 'everyone who plays Tyranids has converted these models' is a flawed argument, because it's not true. I wouldn't even say most people have - but again, anecdotal without numbers, which we won't get. There's plenty who have been happy simply proxying Carnifexes as Tervigons, for example.

I'm not a Tyranid player but I have to agree with Loki here, the release is amazing. The winged hive tyrant looks especially well made too. The ripper swarm is just plain studip though. Why would you want finecast rippers? Or spore mines? That escapes me.

Am I the only tyranid player that is completely pissed off at GW for the hive tyrant model? Yes, it looks pretty, but it still doesn't match the codex, and I mentioned this in another thread and the only response I got was "that's just how GW is."

The wings take up an arm slot which means you can't make a flyrant how you really want it.

I saw ZERO monstrous sized deathspitters or devourers on the sprues.

Why do players tolerate this from GW? If you keep buying kits like the new hive tyrant, they will continue to not give a rats arse about the players.

Concerning the other kits, the Red Terror was a useless release IMO. No updated rules means its just a pretty model. They suggest using it as a tyranid prime? Great. So that confirms no actual model for a tyranid prime. And for those who say just use a warrior, think about this. How many blisters has GW put out for SM captains and the like? They always make HQ blisters for models like this, but not for nids.

The tervigon/tyranofex kit look nice. Problem is, it has been two years since codex release and most people have customized their own or the like. Same thing with the bone swords and lash whips. Two years too late.

But to my original question, am I the only nids player pissed about the hive tyrant kit?

Probably not.

Although the wings is a easy fix, bit of patience and green stuff with minimal skill will solve that issue.

The devourers will be a bigger issue, although I am more likely to run a Tyrant as a solid CC monster when winged anyways, so not so much of an issue.

Of course they might be on there somewhere, or have the sprues all been shown? If not, odd, considering the completeness GW has been giving other models released in plastic, like all sponson options for Leman Russ tanks.

laurish wrote:Am I the only tyranid player that is completely pissed off at GW for the hive tyrant model? Yes, it looks pretty, but it still doesn't match the codex, and I mentioned this in another thread and the only response I got was "that's just how GW is."

The wings take up an arm slot which means you can't make a flyrant how you really want it.

I saw ZERO monstrous sized deathspitters or devourers on the sprues.

Why do players tolerate this from GW? If you keep buying kits like the new hive tyrant, they will continue to not give a rats arse about the players.

Concerning the other kits, the Red Terror was a useless release IMO. No updated rules means its just a pretty model. They suggest using it as a tyranid prime? Great. So that confirms no actual model for a tyranid prime. And for those who say just use a warrior, think about this. How many blisters has GW put out for SM captains and the like? They always make HQ blisters for models like this, but not for nids.

The tervigon/tyranofex kit look nice. Problem is, it has been two years since codex release and most people have customized their own or the like. Same thing with the bone swords and lash whips. Two years too late.

But to my original question, am I the only nids player pissed about the hive tyrant kit?

It is all part of GW's plan to weaken the nids. See the Battle for Maccragge and the fact the nids will kill off the SM, namely smurfs.


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For all those complaining about the wings, simply greenstuff them to the carapace or in between the gap in the weapons.

I noticed that they're releasing the Red Terror (in Finecast) anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that he might be coming back in White Dwarf?

No. They say use him as an alternate/centre piece ravager or a Tyranid Prime.

LOL @ Biovore 1x for $49.50 CAD. Yeah, right.

Ha. One of the benfits of living in the UK is cheaprr GW kits. Biovores are £25 which = $30.6963.

We also only need £10 for free shipping.



Has anyone noticed that OOE has also have a price cut!

The tyranid prime model is made using the warriors box. That's what the over sized sything talons are for.

Last year I made a trevigon conversion, used it, liked rules okay, friend loved it and bought it from me.

I proxied a tyrannofex and had decent luck with it so I am glad for the kit.

I mainly run primes for my HQ and don't want to pay $60 for the tyrrant.

And yes I feel the weakness brought on by our latest dex but I still play with them.

-Loki- wrote:

DarkHound wrote: A Harpy can't readily be converted with the kits available, and, like Ork Deffkoptas, would see real use if it was.

This again tells me you can't be a Tyranid player. Something the size of a flying Trygon (which it will be - the same rumour sources giving us the second wave info said it would be between Valkyrie and Razorwing in size, on the large flying base) with T5 and 4 wounds will not see play. I'd be jazzed with a Harpy, but because I want to paint one, not because I want to throw away ~160 points every game.

Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

I don't mean to but in, but I am one of those people who hasn't started Tyranids simply for the fact that the Tervigon and Tyrannofex had not been released. Now that all of the models have been released (models I'd use) I'm definitely going to pick up a few of those kits along with the Hive Tyrant.

The only problem I see with the release is the Lash Whips don't really work with the Tyrant Guard since both of their scything talons have to be replaced with one Lash Whip unless I'm misreading the entry.

AzureDeath wrote:The tyranid prime model is made using the warriors box. That's what the over sized sything talons are for.

Those were there before the new dex.

I dunno, but I think those rippers look leagues better than the crappy ones you stick on the base.

I also have not converted any tervigons, so am absolutely thrilled to see this kit. I also love my flyrants, and have not converted any so again, another win in my box. The wings taking an arm slot shouldn't be a shock considering every single winged GW or FW tyranid I can think of did the same thing. If you need the extra slot for a second weapon beyond scytals, use the leg slot. Deathspitters and devourers are easy enough to convert and about any nid player is going to have a ton of extras lying around.

The rippers being done in finecast is just daft really, but whatever. The Red Terror is yawn worthy. Deathleaper and the wallet-eating biovore are okay I guess. i am very glad that they released the boneswords and lash whips, but they really need expand on thier upgrade sprues. Wings, extra normal sized scytals...RENDING CLAWS ffs. I don't want to see it all in one kit as it would end up more expensive than a land raider for three warriors..

LunaHound wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The whole release though? You can't be a Tyranid player.

Or perhaps because he IS a tyranid player that its underwhelmed.

As i mentioned, who ever needed those units already built their own.
So the new release basically means " is this new one awe someone enough for me to buy it to replace my old ones"

Its understandable totally.

Though its sort of large and cool, like someone mentioned, can get it for Alpha Tervigon

Not true, I hadn't converted a Tervigon, or Tyrannofex. I just used my Old Carnifex models as placeholders.

Glad I didn't, because the new Kits are hot.

I did convert a tervigon but as has been said I might pick a new one up as a tervigon "prime". the new tyrant is a must have for me

as for all the but hurt over the lack of devs on the tyrant, any tyranid player worth his dice will have tons of those things kicking around that can either be used as is (the ones from th fex sprue) or converted (tallons with the gaunt ones on the end)

I'm more unhappy about those finecast whips.....I can see me having to fix them a hell of a lot :3

They are not finecast. Are they?

Deadshot wrote:They are not finecast. Are they?

That's actually a good question.

They're not labeled as Finecast, but the item description clearly states that the pieces are "resin" so it might be they swapped to normal resin to do them.

With luck!

Kanluwen wrote:

Deadshot wrote:They are not finecast. Are they?

That's actually a good question.

They're not labeled as Finecast, but the item description clearly states that the pieces are "resin" so it might be they swapped to normal resin to do them.

I recall someone mentioning in the Tyranid rumour thread that they're the resin they make the little barricade terrain bits out of, rather than finecast, but they could be wrong.


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laurish wrote:Am I the only tyranid player that is completely pissed off at GW for the hive tyrant model? Yes, it looks pretty, but it still doesn't match the codex, and I mentioned this in another thread and the only response I got was "that's just how GW is."

The wings take up an arm slot which means you can't make a flyrant how you really want it.

As I already said in your thread, this is due to how GW design Tyranids. They have 6 limbs. No more, no less. It's a universal design theme (along with things like having 5 chitin plates on their heads) that unifies them as a race. It's annoying, but I'd prefer to do some minor conversion on the arms than have an 8 limbed Tyranid.

laurish wrote:I saw ZERO monstrous sized deathspitters or devourers on the sprues.

The metal Tyrant didn't have them either, so we're in no worse situation regarding those weapons.

laurish wrote:Why do players tolerate this from GW? If you keep buying kits like the new hive tyrant, they will continue to not give a rats arse about the players.

You're brining in that argument? Please. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have tooled a plastic mold to give us a plastic Tyrant with Swarmlord and wing options. It would have been a lot cheaper for them to make finecast wings and bone sabres and make them direct only. Stop brining bs arguments into the thread.

laurish wrote:Concerning the other kits, the Red Terror was a useless release IMO. No updated rules means its just a pretty model. They suggest using it as a tyranid prime? Great. So that confirms no actual model for a tyranid prime. And for those who say just use a warrior, think about this. How many blisters has GW put out for SM captains and the like? They always make HQ blisters for models like this, but not for nids.

Agreed. Though there is a model for the Tyranid Prime - a Tyranid Warrior. Comparing the range to Space Marines is stupid because no range gets the support Space Marines get. However, I think the Tyranid Prime is a perfect time to test out plastic single characters for 40k. A single Warrior with scything talons and devourer and a few extra chitin plates in a clam pack wouldn't be too difficult to accomplish.

laurish wrote:The tervigon/tyranofex kit look nice. Problem is, it has been two years since codex release and most people have customized their own or the like. Same thing with the bone swords and lash whips. Two years too late.

Try bringing some numbers here. Stop the anecdotal 'evidence'.

laurish wrote:But to my original question, am I the only nids player pissed about the hive tyrant kit?

Certainly not. I just think your arguments show a lack of knowledge of the Tyranid range.

-Loki- wrote:Also, I'd like to see people come up with anything but anecdotal evidence to 'every Tyranid player has converted essential models like the Tervigon already'. I haven't, and very few Tyranid players I've talked to have either. And most of them are talking about converting their Carnifexes back to being Carnifexes and grabbing the new models. Something else to consider is the amount of people you see say they'd start Tyranids if only the Tervigon was available.

lol wow.... okee , lets do this from the other way then, from the broad spectrum. So I'll just list the facts.

-There are hobbiest and gamers.
-Gamer that uses Tervigons of Tyrannofex needs to convert or count as models to play them in game.
-Gamer that plays in GW sanctioned areas need to use GW kits
-There is extremely high chance that the Tervigon or Tyranofex are made out of Carnifex
- If they buy the new kits, the Gamers need to either just put the carnifexes back to shelf OR
- Use them as Carnifexes
- We know how gamers feel about latest edition Carnifexes.

You need evidence? I present you logic. feel free to refute them.

Sasori wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The whole release though? You can't be a Tyranid player.

Or perhaps because he IS a tyranid player that its underwhelmed.

As i mentioned, who ever needed those units already built their own.
So the new release basically means " is this new one awe someone enough for me to buy it to replace my old ones"

Its understandable totally.

Though its sort of large and cool, like someone mentioned, can get it for Alpha Tervigon

Not true, I hadn't converted a Tervigon, or Tyrannofex. I just used my Old Carnifex models as placeholders.

Glad I didn't, because the new Kits are hot.

I know :3 i was getting to that.

What happens to your Carnifex now after you finished working on the new Tyranid and integrated them back into your Tyranid list?

GW on the Ripper model linked in the first post wrote:Due to high demand, each Citadel Finecast product is limited to five (5) per customer.

Made me chuckle

Ya gotta say Loki, i have to agree with luna, most players in my area made their own tfexes or tervigons. Carnifexes were a decent proxy or placeholder but typically wasnt enough.

Releasing 6 models is a bit too late especially after 2 years. It doesnt change the fact the codex is still a bit subpar and they could have introduced a new unit especially for the 25th anniversary

I keep saying it. GW just don't like the.nids.