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Cryage wrote:Ya gotta say Loki, i have to agree with luna, most players in my area made their own tfexes or tervigons.

Still anecdotal. Lets see some worldwide numbers or stop with the 'no one will buy them because people in my area converted some' arguments. It's a silly argument, that is not proveable either way you go.

-Loki- wrote:

Cryage wrote:Ya gotta say Loki, i have to agree with luna, most players in my area made their own tfexes or tervigons.

Still anecdotal. Lets see some worldwide numbers or stop with the 'no one will buy them because people in my area converted some' arguments. It's a silly argument, that is not proveable either way you go.

You know, that evidence can go both ways.

Thats why I went and have something easier, facts and logic

-There are hobbiest and gamers.
-Gamer that uses Tervigons of Tyrannofex needs to convert or count as models to play them in game.
-Gamer that plays in GW sanctioned areas need to use GW kits
-There is extremely high chance that the Tervigon or Tyranofex are made out of Carnifex
- If they buy the new kits, the Gamers need to either just put the carnifexes back to shelf OR
- Use them as Carnifexes
- We know how gamers feel about latest edition Carnifexes.

You need evidence? I present you logic. feel free to refute them.

No ones claiming "no one will buy them". Infact, people that had keen interest but have been holding out due to lack of actual models representing what they really like, would buy them.
Would that be alot of people? who knows? Not you, nor me.

But what I am sure of is, what I wrote in the above quote.

I know :3 i was getting to that.

What happens to your Carnifex now after you finished working on the new Tyranid and integrated them back into your Tyranid list?

They will go back into their foam section, or on a shelf.


Speaking of which, looks like I'm going to end up having to get another Tray From battlefoam, with the New Tervigon/Tyrannofex models. Whenever they make it.

Sasori wrote:

I know :3 i was getting to that.

What happens to your Carnifex now after you finished working on the new Tyranid and integrated them back into your Tyranid list?

They will go back into their foam section, or on a shelf.


Speaking of which, looks like I'm going to end up having to get another Tray From battlefoam, with the New Tervigon/Tyrannofex models. Whenever they make it.

See :'/ i knew that was going to be your answer, the possible out comes are very limited.

The next scenario would be " the rest of the Nid player not as rich as Sasori, would they have the extra funds to be affording new ones?
could they shelf them back to their trays and play with new ones or keep using what they already invested in "

Ne~ xP

Sasori wrote:Speaking of which, looks like I'm going to end up having to get another Tray From battlefoam, with the New Tervigon/Tyrannofex models. Whenever they make it.

I'm actually glad that the Tervigon and Tyrannofex are as big as they are - I'm picking up one of battlefoams 3 Carnifex, 2 Trygon trays this week. I recently decided to forgo Trygons, because I'm still a massive Carnifex fan, so a few quick alterations to the BF tray to fit the tails and rupture cannon, and the tray will accomodate a Tervigon and Tyrannofex.

Deadshot wrote:I keep saying it. GW just don't like the.nids.

I present you White Dwarf, issue 387, page 2:

"Robin Cruddace is the author of Codex: Tyranids yet it is the howling Griffons Chapter that he collects."


I think that explains a good deal.

Mordiggian wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I keep saying it. GW just don't like the.nids.

I present you White Dwarf, issue 387, page 2:

"Robin Cruddace is the author of Codex: Tyranids yet it is the howling Griffons Chapter that he collects."


I think that explains a good deal.

There's nothing wrong with that. I doubt many studio members collect all of the armies they write books for. What Cruddace lacked for Tyranids is passion for the army. He obviously had it for Guard - look at all the options he packed in, regardless of the terrible internal balance. It almost seems he was lumped with Tyranids, wasn't feeling it, and phoned it in.

It's a bit hard to say GW hates Tyranids, considering the awesome 4th edition book. It was basically just the book being given to someone not interested in doing it for 5th edition.

DarkHound wrote:The Tervigon is a good model, sure, but the Tyrannofex is awful. Technically you'll only use the one that looks good anyway, but that's a point against GW on a couple levels. And adding wings to the Tyrant is not an amazing feat. On one hand, the codex makes Flyrants bad, and on the other, converting a Flyrant is so easy everyone already has one. Plus, the Rippers are an older 3rd edition model. They have more recent Rippers already, but didn't bother to make an actual sprue for them.

Some of us think the Tyrannofex looks fine. It’s good to finally have a model for it.

As for the Tyrant, well it’s not about how ‘simple’ it was to convert one before, or how bad Flyrants are in the game. It really comes down to this:

Plastic > Metal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Failcost.

I have three of the ‘current’ Tyrants in metal, I would never dream of getting one in bubbly miscast Finecost, and now there’s one in plastic. That’s wonderful. And it even comes with wings and parts for the Swarmlord in the kit – even better!

As for the rest of the Tyranid release, the Finecosting of the Death Leaper, Red Terror and Biovore – that’s all pretty pathetic. Biovores are now so expensive as to simply not be worth it, and who’s going to want a model that isn’t even in the Codex. The Finecosting of Old One Eye and the 2nd Ed rippers is twice as silly, the former because the 3rd Ed style Carnifex is a horrid looking thing and the latter because the 2nd Ed rippers are now so overpriced it’s ceased being funny.

-Loki- wrote:

Mordiggian wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I keep saying it. GW just don't like the.nids.

I present you White Dwarf, issue 387, page 2:

"Robin Cruddace is the author of Codex: Tyranids yet it is the howling Griffons Chapter that he collects."


I think that explains a good deal.

There's nothing wrong with that. I doubt many studio members collect all of the armies they write books for. What Cruddace lacked for Tyranids is passion for the army. He obviously had it for Guard - look at all the options he packed in, regardless of the terrible internal balance. It almost seems he was lumped with Tyranids, wasn't feeling it, and phoned it in.

It's a bit hard to say GW hates Tyranids, considering the awesome 4th edition book. It was basically just the book being given to someone not interested in doing it for 5th edition.

It all started with the battle for Maccragge. Tyranids put the hurt on The Ultramarines. Calagar was.nearly killed and the Godly First Company destroyed. Operational strength <50. Who are GW's poster boys?

Then at Ichar 4 the Ultramarines were again badly mauled and this time Kraken gad time to kill Cdaftworld Ilyanden. It was about this time when Ultrasmurf defeats against the nids was stopped being recorded. Ever notice how Hive Fleet Leviathan has not fought the Blue Boys yet? Even though, with this Codex Deviant Tyranid Fighting Company, they would be best after the deathwatch? Convenient that the Arch Arsonist of Charadon attacks now? So the blue bells...er...Blue Boys. Don't have to fight nids anymore.

If they made it easy to kill nids they would lose complete meaning, and tyranids are needed which is why they are not removed altogether. But it were hard the marines would take heavy casulties and possibly be wiped out.


In the battle for maccragge starter, marines could hardly win the campaign. GW decided to try something new and outnumbered and OUTPOINTED the marines. And on top of the 246 nid points they got the respawn points.


Then they make the nids wait 2 years as you say. Most players have converted Tervs yes. These are now too small because of the GW kit and GW tourneys won't be permitted. Therefore if they want tervs in tourneys they'll need to.buy more. This discourages people to buy less nids. Price hikes too. Once a product or army falls below a certain purchase rate GW will say...


"You obviously don't want tyranids so we don't need to.keep or make more"






And there is my conspiracy theory. Obviously it is not perfect but there it is...


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Also. The WD describes a dual between Kraken Swarmlord and Calgar ened in Calgar's victory. Wait what?! Swarmlord is respawned with knowledge of Calgar and yet loses? Not only was that never in the fluff, and written for the biggest nid promotion in years, but completely backward.


Then they assign the codex to someone who has no passion for them

Stop your moaning and be grateful we actually got the 2nd wave at all.

Squigsquasher wrote:Stop your moaning and be grateful we actually got the 2nd wave at all.

That's kind of like being grateful you got run over by an ambulance

I asn't moaning. Its my conspriracy theory.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:Stop your moaning and be grateful we actually got the 2nd wave at all.

That's kind of like being grateful you got run over by an ambulance

In my opinion that's not being grateful for that. At last we finally get the kit everyone has been needing.

Crudface doesn't know how to write for anything other than Imperials. Phil Kelly should of written the nids dex and it would have been epic.

This release is good because it put more nid models into circulation and more nids is better for nids. Despite the GW price hikes I will be buying several of these just on the coolness factor. Of course I will find it for 20% off, and probably trade in some stuff into the bargain bin to get trade credit for it.

UsdiThunder wrote:Crudface doesn't know how to write for anything other than Imperials.

And even then, it's not a sure thing...

The new tyrant kit is pretty good, all things considered, but i'm a little dissapointed in the lack of decent sized boneswords like those in the artwork, and the split tail, for the swarmlord.

The tyrannofex looks stupid. and nothing like the artwork either. not sure what they were thinking there. maybe just saving production costs by making it the same as the tervigon (which looks alot more like the codex art, and is fairly decent)

H.B.M.C. wrote:Some of us think the Tyrannofex looks fine. It’s good to finally have a model for it.

It's like the Chibi-hawk: all the design cues but no practicality. The Tyranofex is one of the most durable models in the game, yet it stands on 4 spindly legs. If even one is knocked out, it will face plant and be unable to move due to its odd center of gravity. Plus, if either arm is disabled then the gun ceases to function. What exactly is that giant hump protecting? All its vulnerable bits are hanging out around it, or directly in front of it.

What really kills me is how functional the picture in the codex is. The legs are thick, plated talons, which are low to the ground. The head recedes into the body, obscuring it. The gun is part of the core of the creature, and is armor plated too. The middle arms seem to be for additional gun stability, so aren't a weakness. The thing looks like a nightmare to take down.

The model works better for the Tervigon though: that giant hump of armor protects the eggs. The tall legs give the gants room to untangle themselves. It still feels vulnerable from the side, but at least it can hold itself up with the forward talons.

I dont run any of these units in my current nids list i dont think they are worth it even the tervigon.

I`ll probably buy one tyrant box and use the swarmlord parts to convert my current 1 into it.

Then buid an actual flyrant but i would build it without the legs so it looked like my parasite conversion.

I like the tervi box but i have yet to be shown that any nid mc except the trygon are worth taking.

I don't know how you can look at the Tervigon in the book and not see the useful applications it can bring to a game. Even if only for throwing FNP on units. Especially since once it gets closer the the enemy lines it's spawning Termagants (really mostly useful in objective games), throwing out S5 large blast shots and throwing FNP on units every turn.

Is it good that nid players get some models/biomorphs finally? Of course. Does that mean we should be happy with how GW has/is treating nids? No bloody way! I am surprised by some of the comments in this thread - some of you guys got shares in GW?

I'm glad nid players that use tervigons finally got a model. I don't use them myself (hate the design philosophy and GWs execution) so I won't get a kit. I also don't care much for the T-fex in the codex and the T-fex model looks to fragile, as someone mentioned above - not they way I'd imagine it would look.

I might get a hive tyrant kit someday for the wings (already got a magnetized swarmlord/tyrant and another unbuilt tyrant) but am not happy that I have to convert a new kit to make normal legal builds (regardless if that build is currently not great). I'm will also be pissed at GW if they do not include a deathspitter and devourer since these are new sprues. To say that it doesn't matter because they weren't in the metal kit is no big deal is wrong. FOr the price that GW charges there is no excuse in not including all the parts.

A pack of warriors costs me about $50 CAD plus tax now and should have included boneswords/lashwhips which I will expect to have to pay about $20 or more plus tax. Yeah that's a good buy.

If the comments about the Red Terror and Old One Eye are true that does seem a waste of effort when we need other models. Not having a tyranid prime (with all his options) is a good example. Yes you can build one from a warrior kit (and still have to buy a sword/lashwhip pack for that build) but that leaves 2 warriors which cannot be used by someone starting nids unless they have lots of warriors (and don't say no-one uses warriors because their crap - not the point).

I'll wait until 6th edition (and hopefully a good nid army errata) to see what is worth buying. Again, I'm glad nid players that use those models have got them finally (and I like the tervigon model), but lets not be apologists for GW just because they gave us something that should have been out a long time ago (not to mention the poorl written dex that they haven't - but could - errata to make lots of at least decent).

Rant over.

-Loki- wrote:I don't know how you can look at the Tervigon in the book and not see the useful applications it can bring to a game. Even if only for throwing FNP on units. Especially since once it gets closer the the enemy lines it's spawning Termagants (really mostly useful in objective games), throwing out S5 large blast shots and throwing FNP on units every turn.

Can't disagree with this point myself.


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Deadshot wrote:


Then they make the nids wait 2 years as you say. Most players have converted Tervs yes. These are now too small because of the GW kit and GW tourneys won't be permitted. Therefore if they want tervs in tourneys they'll need to.buy more. This discourages people to buy less nids. Price hikes too. Once a product or army falls below a certain purchase rate GW will say...

My conversions are 50/50, if they reject them from play I'll tell them to go screw themselves.

Ventus wrote:I'll wait until 6th edition (and hopefully a good nid army errata) to see what is worth buying. Again, I'm glad nid players that use those models have got them finally (and I like the tervigon model), but lets not be apologists for GW just because they gave us something that should have been out a long time ago (not to mention the poorl written dex that they haven't - but could - errata to make lots of at least decent).

Rant over.

So, we got models we've wanted for 2 years. They're fantastic sculpts (well, arguably, some people disagree). Instead of being happy and enthusiastic about the new models, we should continue to be surly and curse GW for not giving us what we want?

I'd rather be happy and discuss the new stuff than continue to act like a git with entitlement issues over the codex.

Anyone have any ideas on how to convert the Tyrannofex kit into something a bit more... substantial? It's a nice kit and all, but.. it seems too.. defenceless. It's not the armoured behemoth the codex fluff and art made it out to be. It's legs are too week to support it, and it doesn't seem as though it'd be capable of lasting in combat, unlike it's codex/fluff counterpart, which is a godlike linebreaker, and easily imagined as being able to tear apart squads of tanks.

-Loki- wrote:So, we got models we've wanted for 2 years. They're fantastic sculpts (well, arguably, some people disagree). Instead of being happy and enthusiastic about the new models, we should continue to be surly and curse GW for not giving us what we want?

I'd rather be happy and discuss the new stuff than continue to act like a git with entitlement issues over the codex.

Thank you for posting this.

AethyrKnight wrote:unlike it's codex/fluff counterpart, which is a godlike linebreaker, and easily imagined as being able to tear apart squads of tanks.

Looking at the codex artwork, it looks fine as a slow moving artillery beast (which is what most people use it as, unfortunately), but a linebreaker that can tear apart tanks and squads? Sorry, I don't see it in the artwork. It looks huge and heavy, and unable to use its front talons as weapons without collapsing. Even with beefier back legs like the artwork has, that creature in the artwork is a slave to its quadrupedal design. It's not going to be 'tearing apart tanks and infantry' any more than the model we got.

Personally, my only problem with the Tyrannofex kit is the fact that the weapon is fused with its arms, rather than its torso, but I can see why people might not like it.

@AethyrKnight: If you have any spare Carnifex front carapace plates left over (or if you haven't equipped theTfex with the Fleshborer Hive) you could bulk out the legs with Green Stuff and model on the plates to act like extra armour or shields. Just a thought.

I noticed this. The new hive tyrant comes with alot. If you make a winged tyrant. all you have to do is seach for body and leg mount and you can make a swarm lord or another tyrant.

hotsauceman1 wrote:I noticed this. The new hive tyrant comes with alot. If you make a winged tyrant. all you have to do is seach for body and leg mount and you can make a swarm lord or another tyrant.

The problem is finding the key components on bits sites. It's not easy finding the key components and not end up spending about as much as a whole new kit.

True. But if you look someplace like ebay you may find it.

-Loki- wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:I noticed this. The new hive tyrant comes with alot. If you make a winged tyrant. all you have to do is seach for body and leg mount and you can make a swarm lord or another tyrant.

The problem is finding the key components on bits sites. It's not easy finding the key components and not end up spending about as much as a whole new kit.

Of course that may be worth it if your don't want a lot of extra bits laying around, (I know I have two carnifexs that way I bought the kit one and bought an extra set of talons legs and body for 40 US dollars, ten less than the kit and have two 'fex's,) or want to run two tyrants with different load outs...
I think it's a personal preference thing in the end.