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yep. I love the look on the little one's faces when you say that you *gasp* got them- FROM ANOTHER COMPANY!

Or the "GW's not the only Mini Maker?!"

*GASSSSP*

DO I SEE A DN NFW!

http://img28.imageshack.us/i/img0074yt.jpg/ (new blood angels furioso kit, could just be the librarian furioso weapon, but Im thinking its a GK thang!)


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Never has any dreadnought kit (I have not bought the latest venerable so I dont know about it) had 3 sets of complete front armour included in a set, could one be the GK one?!?!?!?!

Tell me that ain't "The Book" the symbol of the grey knights.

It ain't, there's no sword going through it. Looks like just a standard Librarian book.


Won't stop me from eventually combining that front plate with the Ven. Dread kit!

It ain't.

"the book" is the symbol of the librarium, a general symbol and also to be found at Dark angel upgrade sprues...

The New Dread kit, is however a Libby dread, Deathco Dread, Furioso Dread kit of triple awesome.

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Well I seem to have amply derailed this thread by posting pictures of BA dreadnoughts in it. Somebody purge me please.

Jaon wrote:Somebody purge me please.

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That's because the GK aren't getting a new dread, that rumour is incorrect, It's actually a walker type machine piloted by a GK termie for killing GD

See, they kill GamesDays but tere is no new GK dread ..

Aw, I think GW are missing out on a lot of money there.

Will dreads even be in the codex? I think rumours said they would. But as heavy support no doubt. I would love to get my self a riflemen dread for them, from forge world, it would fill a roll I cant see anything else filling.

Hell I might get 2! + an LR or a storm raven thatd be a nice little powerhouse right there.

My GK army (jumping the gun)
HQ
grand master
Inquisitor/inquisitor lord

Elites
5 TAGK
5 TAGK
5 TAGK

Troops
10 PAGK
Rhino
5 PAGK
10 PAGK

Heavy support
LR
Stormraven
Dread

Ouch now that its on paper it looks helplessly small D:


Um question guys: if GK arent receiving a dreadnought model, where do we get the psycannon dreadnought arm?

Jaon wrote:Ouch now that its on paper it looks helplessly small D:


Um question guys: if GK arent receiving a dreadnought model, where do we get the psycannon dreadnought arm?

Well, first off you're assuming there will definitively be Dreadnoughts in the Codex. There's always a chance they won't be.

Secondly, I don't think we'll see "dedicated" Grey Knights vehicle kits. It would just be silly. What's more likely is we'd see a "Grey Knight Vehicle Upgrade Kit" available from GW, like the Ravenwing sprues. They came with bits for bikes, the plastic Dreadnought, Land Speeders, etc.

Im thinking (jumping the storm bolter) my list is going to be closer to

HQ: Terminator supporting SC. EP (estimated points) :200

Elites:
One of the assassins. EP: 100, if the option is available for 3 vindicares, Ill take it, at an EP of 75ppm (point per model)
Dreadknight? maybe i dont know

Troops:
5xTAGK: EP: 200
5xTAGK: EP: 200
10xPAGK. EP: 200
5xPAGK EP: 100 + chimera? ( are there chimeras?) EP: 55
5xPAGK EP: 100 + chimera. EP : 55
Purgation squad with 4x Psycannon: EP 140
Fast attack: SCREW FAST ATTACK

Heavy Support:
Land raider. EP: 250
Riflemen Dread? EP: 110
Riflemen Dread? EP: 110

= 1820 I think?

Anyway thats a rough 2000 points list with room for special weapons and everything, but yeah I want more terminators and PAGK, but with an estimated points of 40ppm on the termies and 20 on the PAGK, im not seeing that happening, those are already cheap as chips, so a realistic list is probably going to be smaller and not include dreadnoughts.


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And honestly and truthfully, theres more speculation in my post right there than this entire thread. Its just interesting to write out a list.


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Kanluwen wrote:

Jaon wrote:Ouch now that its on paper it looks helplessly small D:


Um question guys: if GK arent receiving a dreadnought model, where do we get the psycannon dreadnought arm?

Well, first off you're assuming there will definitively be Dreadnoughts in the Codex. There's always a chance they won't be.

Secondly, I don't think we'll see "dedicated" Grey Knights vehicle kits. It would just be silly. What's more likely is we'd see a "Grey Knight Vehicle Upgrade Kit" available from GW, like the Ravenwing sprues. They came with bits for bikes, the plastic Dreadnought, Land Speeders, etc.

Just going by the rumours nothing else to believe in atm

Jaon wrote:Im thinking (jumping the storm bolter) my list is going to be closer to

HQ: Terminator supporting SC. EP (estimated points) :200

Elites:
One of the assassins. EP: 100, if the option is available for 3 vindicares, Ill take it, at an EP of 75ppm (point per model)
Dreadknight? maybe i dont know

Troops:
5xTAGK: EP: 200
5xTAGK: EP: 200
10xPAGK. EP: 200
5xPAGK EP: 100 + chimera? ( are there chimeras?) EP: 55
5xPAGK EP: 100 + chimera. EP : 55
Purgation squad with 4x Psycannon: EP 140
Fast attack: SCREW FAST ATTACK

Heavy Support:
Land raider. EP: 250
Riflemen Dread? EP: 110
Riflemen Dread? EP: 110

= 1820 I think?

Oh I forgot about SC's and assassins.

HQ
SC ~200
GKGM ~150

Elites
Callidus ~120
Vindicare ~130

Troops
5 TAGK ~200
10 PAGK ~200
5 TAGK ~200
10 PAGK ~200

Heavy support
LR ~250
stormraven ~200

and that'll leave me room for upgrades and whatnot.

I'll add my own thoughts in greenish colors.

GK and GKT have plastic kits and will be troop choices.

2 plastic kits, plus probably a 3rd. Add metal SC and FW upgrades.

GKs will not have access to most Vanilla Marine Gear especially Heavy Weapons and Special Weapons.

Most isn't so bad, but will transports allow to circumvent the lack of usual heavy and special weapons ? ( razorback, chimera, Land Raider )

All GKs cause Deep Striking units to mishap if placed within 6 inches of any Grey Knight unit.

Replacement of shrouding?

GKs do not get Bikes, Jump Packs, or Chaplains

No jetbikes?

GKs have access to GK Command Squads giving them access to Apothecaries (FNp)

Both types? ( TDA/PA )

Assassins are in as an Elite slot and any type of GK army can take them.

Interesting. Assasins were part of the Inquisitors contribution to the force before, right?

Grey Knights will be see the return of the 2 wound terminator. These new elite terminators will have 2 wounds and FNP and access to all the upgrades and options of all GKT in the codex.

yes,please.

There is a unit in the codex called a "Dreadknight" which is basically a psychically-infused super-terminator that counts as a monstrous creature.

plastic kit N° 3. I guess.

The Stormraven is in and along with Penitent Engines are currently the only two Fast Attacks slots in the dex.

The SR as only choice of FA? Penitent engines may be a Inquisition thing now, but IMO this isn't true and FA contains either a GK/only SR or a Inquisition FA choice

GKs only vehicles options are Land Raiders, Razorbacks, Rhinos, Chimera and Stormraven.

Chimera for GK or as Inq transport? Again, LR + SR and Rhino/razor have GW or FW bitz to be GK vehicles.

All GK vehicles are psykers with LD 10

Sounds a bit like psyker machine spirit A libby dread as psyker, ok, but a rhino?

Based on this, a psi-heavy elite force could look like:

HQ:

SC, GM , Inq

Elite:

GKT 0-3

FA:

SR 0-3

HS:

Dreads ( only alongside SR ), LR, purgation squad (and transport?)

Troops:

GK ( transport)
GKT (transport)

Lack of bikes, JP and chappy. But libbys aren't mentioned at all, maybe they are 'updates' or a elite choice? No DP?

1st list:

GM / SC
GKT (LR or teleporting)
special GKT, dreadknight
GK (razor?rhino? doubt teleporting)
GKPs ( razor? rhino?)
some assasins

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I'll add my own thoughts in greenish colors.

GK and GKT have plastic kits and will be troop choices.

2 plastic kits, plus probably a 3rd. Add metal SC and FW upgrades.

GKs will not have access to most Vanilla Marine Gear especially Heavy Weapons and Special Weapons.

Most isn't so bad, but will transports allow to circumvent the lack of usual heavy and special weapons ? ( razorback, chimera, Land Raider )

All GKs cause Deep Striking units to mishap if placed within 6 inches of any Grey Knight unit.

Replacement of shrouding?

GKs do not get Bikes, Jump Packs, or Chaplains

No jetbikes?

GKs have access to GK Command Squads giving them access to Apothecaries (FNp)

Both types? ( TDA/PA )

Assassins are in as an Elite slot and any type of GK army can take them.

Interesting. Assasins were part of the Inquisitors contribution to the force before, right?

Grey Knights will be see the return of the 2 wound terminator. These new elite terminators will have 2 wounds and FNP and access to all the upgrades and options of all GKT in the codex.

yes,please.

There is a unit in the codex called a "Dreadknight" which is basically a psychically-infused super-terminator that counts as a monstrous creature.

plastic kit N° 3. I guess.

The Stormraven is in and along with Penitent Engines are currently the only two Fast Attacks slots in the dex.

The SR as only choice of FA? Penitent engines may be a Inquisition thing now, but IMO this isn't true and FA contains either a GK/only SR or a Inquisition FA choice

GKs only vehicles options are Land Raiders, Razorbacks, Rhinos, Chimera and Stormraven.

Chimera for GK or as Inq transport? Again, LR + SR and Rhino/razor have GW or FW bitz to be GK vehicles.

All GK vehicles are psykers with LD 10

Sounds a bit like psyker machine spirit A libby dread as psyker, ok, but a rhino?

Rhino psyker seems cheese in the making.
I want rhino=GK, chimera=inquisitors/ISTs
DS within 6"- you go mishap? ouch. That's gonna hurt my friend's terminator army *evil grin*
2 wound terminator? fair enough.
I think GK should have a chaplain equivalent and assault marine equivalent. They would be cool.

My army:

Stern ~200
GKGM ~150
LR ~250
Callidus ~120
Vindicare ~120
10 TAGK ~400
stormraven ~200
15 PAGK ~300
inquisitor ~100
henchmen ~160

So how are DoA jetpackers distupted by Grey Knight psykers? I should be able to deepstrike without any problem seeing as I'm not using teleporting to DS.

IF they really made it so that they disrupt all DS then GW really ed the pooch on there fluff=rules again.

GW: Im going to tack this one up all your other rule blunders in relation to the fluff that just dont make sense. I smell another BA/SW codex in the making if even half these rules are accurate.

Ooh, if GKs aren't getting jetbikes, maybe that means that jetbiking Space Marines are gonna be saved for the new Dark Angels codex (whenever that happens).

God I hope not.

Jetbikes, in my opinion, need to remain as something "special" within the Imperial armory.

Sammael on Jetbike? Acceptable. Ravenwing Inner Circle Jetbikers? Slightly less acceptable, but still somewhat acceptable.

Scores of jetbikes? Absurd.

I wouldn't want to see scores of jetbikes, but it'd be pretty neat for Sammael to have an Honour Guard or Command Squad style unit that was mounted on jetbikes.

But yeah, you're right -- be much better to see Dark Angels units riding giant lions, or (for Ravenwing) giant ravens, or (for Deathwing) Thunderbirds.

You know...

A unit of Ravenwing Scouts that had an option to actually have a flock of Ravens with them would be kinda cool.
As would a cybernetic Calibanite Lion bodyguard accompanying a Chapter Master.

Raven-servitor type things might be good.

I'm not sure about the lion...

I would like to see some strengthening of the Deathwing / Native American-style tribes connection, 'cos I'm an old Space Hulk fan.

But I guess we're getting off topic for the GKs thread.

I'd rather they abolish the whole DW/Native American connection. It never made sense in the original context, and makes even less sense now.

But yeah. It's easy to go off-topic in these threads where something's absurdly far out and there's basically no information whatsoever to work with.

Laughing God wrote:So how are DoA jetpackers distupted by Grey Knight psykers? I should be able to deepstrike without any problem seeing as I'm not using teleporting to DS.

IF they really made it so that they disrupt all DS then GW really ed the pooch on there fluff=rules again.

GW: Im going to tack this one up all your other rule blunders in relation to the fluff that just dont make sense. I smell another BA/SW codex in the making if even half these rules are accurate.

They utilize extensive psychic energies to disrupt the inner workings of the jump packs, thus stopping the Blood-Angels from dropping in, and their assault troops to fall on their faces? Maybe?

It's rather for simplicity than anything. Deep Strike is treated the same way in nearly all scenarios.

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GK Grandmaster for sure!

A halberd would be a helluva lot cooler than a sword, though.

Kanluwen wrote:I'd rather they abolish the whole DW/Native American connection. It never made sense in the original context, and makes even less sense now.

But yeah. It's easy to go off-topic in these threads where something's absurdly far out and there's basically no information whatsoever to work with.

In that case, there's always the option to NOT post something Off Topic... at all.

TBH, I'd never be happier if there were no dedicated GK libbies. It defeats the purpose. The whole point of the GK army is that they are all equivalent to SM Elites, and Libbies at the same time. If they lose this, then it's no longer as interesting an army. I hope they let psychic powers run pretty much rampant, all the way down to the Troop choices, getting bigger and better the higher we go up the ranks until they're explosive balls of death coming from Grand Masters.

I also hope they don't just make the GKs cheaper. I hope they make them badass and worth their point costs.