The utter betrayal of GW and the Grey Knights

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**UberhAxTHC**

Daemonswords, daemonweapons, and daemonhosts are all used by radical inquisitors. Radical inquisitors get executed if they're found out. The grand master of the grey knights shouldn't be such a hypocrite.

**Kanluwen**

UberhAxTHC wrote:Daemonswords, daemonweapons, and daemonhosts are all used by radical inquisitors. Radical inquisitors get executed if they're found out. The grand master of the grey knights shouldn't be such a hypocrite.

Daemonswords, daemonweapons, and daemonhosts are not melted down into their components and then purified before being reforged into something else.

Draigo seemingly did that. Which, I guess, makes a kind of sense since it's not like he can get ready made sword blanks.

**ChrisWWII**

Dogface 76 wrote:I do not know why everyone is so "betrayed" by the new Dreadknight? Why cant GW move forward with any concepts.....Heretics INDEED! You all sound like the Inquisition. If you dont like the new GK then dont play them...just dont be surprised when a young kid spams three of them and smites your battle line.

Some people view it as a betrayal as the aesthetics of the Dreadknight are most definitely not Imperial aesthetics, so it doesn't seem to fit as well. Not to mention, we don't like it when an army is hands down 'better' than another. That's our biggest problem...it's a broken codex, and it's not going to be fun to have your army get torn apart by 12 nigh invincible models. Codex: Movie Marines was a joke for a reason.

Cerebrium wrote:

Well, Russ is still technically Primarch of the Space Wolves and we have no idea if he's still alive either.

Well a Primarch isn't the day to day boss of the Chapter, and he is still the Primarch even though he's gone because it's simply genetic. Your dad doesn't stop being your dad just cause he's not around, and such it is with primarchs.

**WARBOSS TZOO**

Pilau Rice wrote:Draigos survived in the Immaterium without assistance.

Draigos' tears can cure cancer. Too bad he's never cried.

(I think my point there was that Draigos is as far above the rest of the GK's as the GK's are above the rank and file of the IG. Your average GKT won't be able to take on a greater demon singlehanded.)

**AlmightyWalrus**

UberhAxTHC wrote:There are no rules for Cypher.

Yes there is. Just not in a recent Codex.

**Ogard**

was just in my FLGS and they have the codex arrived today on display. alot of awesome stuff in there

**UberhAxTHC**

Kanluwen wrote:
UberhAxTHC wrote:Daemonswords, daemonweapons, and daemonhosts are all used by radical inquisitors. Radical inquisitors get executed if they're found out. The grand master of the grey knights shouldn't be such a hypocrite.

Daemonswords, daemonweapons, and daemonhosts are not melted down into their components and then purified before being reforged into something else.

Draigo seemingly did that. Which, I guess, makes a kind of sense since it's not like he can get ready made sword blanks.

Yeah...and he did all that with the power of his mind alone.

**Retrias**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
UberhAxTHC wrote:There are no rules for Cypher.

Yes there is. Just not in a recent Codex.

I remember even in the GW website that Cypher do have stats

anyway
we did some simulation(by rolling dices so no mathhammer here)
This Dreadknight (155 point, it has this sword thing) proceed to murder it's way through(battle redone everytime it is finished so one on one) Defiler, and a STOMPA and some super heavies, to be fair he was rolled by this particularly lucky player (who often roll 6 ), but then loses to the Avatar

then we manage to find so many sillyness in the rules
Draigo five man 500 point army (LEGAL)

**Pilau Rice**

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:
Pilau Rice wrote:Draigos survived in the Immaterium without assistance.

Draigos' tears can cure cancer. Too bad he's never cried.

(I think my point there was that Draigos is as far above the rest of the GK's as the GK's are above the rank and file of the IG. Your average GKT won't be able to take on a greater demon singlehanded.)

Your bog standard brother Captain banished Angron back to the warp, if it's your run of the mill greater daemon than i'm sure a Grey Knights luggage handler could do it

If the Grey Knights are now so bad ass do they need this great big exo suit of dread to send Daemons back to the warp?

**Ogard**

draigos also have str 10 ageinst deamons and psykers.

Alot of other stuff like champion with tat same ability that canis wolfborn has as a special atack wen he dies that just kills the other model that killed him.
Alot of different nemesis force weapons aswell.

Almost all units have the hammerhand phsycic power that gives 1+ str before weapon modifyers witch means str 10 deamonhammers and the like.

**Platuan4th**

insaniak wrote:Organisations of all types would frequently be cut off from their far-flung parts. So having the head of the organisation, even a military one, being out of contact for extended times would mean nothing more than that someone else would be filling in to cover whatever needs doing while he's gone.

Less paperwork (and less embarrassing) that way than declaring him dead and having him show up on the doorstep a week later wondering why his key no longer works.

If the BOOM Comics are anything to go by, this is exactly what happened when Uriel Ventris had his little forced "vacation". One of the Sergeants filled in, but wasn't officially made Captain.

**WARBOSS TZOO**

Pilau Rice wrote:Your bog standard brother Captain banished Angron back to the warp, if it's your run of the mill greater daemon than i'm sure a Grey Knights luggage handler could do it

Yeah, brain fart, I was thinking of Primarch level demons.

**Cerebrium**

I love how everyone is going mad about Draigo surviving in the Warp.

PROTIP: Look up Maugan Ra. He went into the warp TWICE, and on the second time, got an entire CRAFTWORLD out.

**Rochronos**

puma713 wrote:All I see when I look at the Dreadknight is:

LOL!!!!
I'm really excited about Halloween now. I was gonna dress my son up as a chestburster, but now...

LOL, again!

**Pilau Rice**

Cerebrium wrote:I love how everyone is going mad about Draigo surviving in the Warp.

PROTIP: Look up Maugan Ra. He went into the warp TWICE, and on the second time, got an entire CRAFTWORLD out.

Yeah the guy who stopped a splinter of Hive Fleet Leviathan all on his lonesome

**Swiftblade**

Cerebrium wrote:I love how everyone is going mad about Draigo surviving in the Warp.

PROTIP: Look up Maugan Ra. He went into the warp TWICE, and on the second time, got an entire CRAFTWORLD out.

Ooooh, that brings up the question: Maugan Ra v.s Draigo! Its like the Bruce Lee V.S Chuck Norris of the Grim Dark Future!

**puma713**

Cerebrium wrote:I love how everyone is going mad about Draigo surviving in the Warp.

I think this is better:

Emperor and Malcador the Sigillite decided that the Imperium needs holy warriors just incase the Horus Heresy goes ill or all censored.gif gets messed up and needs fixing.
Malcador goes off and finds 12 dudes, 4 of which become the Inquisition and 8 of which are Space Marines, some from the traitor legions aka Garro + his dudes.
Malcador takes them to Titan and unveils Titan's SURPRISE! Fortress Monastery. It was shrouded by him all this time, no one knew..
He assigns the task for build the Grey Knights to Janus, the first Grand Master and gives him a hundred thousand initiates and then disappears.
Before he does, he shrouds the entire planet of Titan and Titan disappears from Saturn's orbit and takes a journey through the warp (ROFL)
Titan re-emerges during the 2nd founding with a thousand Grey Knights and starts kicking ass.

I vomited, regurgitated, ate it to do a double-take, confirmed what I read, and vomited again. Then I accidently flipped the book to Draigo's page and decided to leave.

**pretre**

How is that that bad? We accept Manhattan sized battleships travelling through the warp but not a moon? (not to mention that planets enter and exit the warp all the time through other means, unintentionally and, in some cases, intentionally. Chaos powers have pulled planets into the warp previously, I think in Gaunt's or Ragnar's series).

The Emperor can generate a psychic beacon that stretches across the universe, but Malcador can't shroud a planet?

Sigh. Keep hating.

**ImperialTard**

I think part of the problem may be the show-offy pose. The model is plastic right? I bet a little fidgeting would make it look better.

I, for one, welcome our new terminator overlords.

**Cerebrium**

Hell, Orks ATTACH ENGINES TO ASTEROIDS AND STEER THEM INTO THE WARP.

Seriously, the fluff isn't nearly that ridiculous. It's just because it's all NEW fluff, meaning people haven't had time to digest it.

Or rather, to summarise, haters gon' hate.

**bhsman**

pretre wrote:How is that that bad? We accept Manhattan sized battleships travelling through the warp but not a moon? (not to mention that planets enter and exit the warp all the time through other means, unintentionally and, in some cases, intentionally. Chaos powers have pulled planets into the warp previously, I think in Gaunt's or Ragnar's series).

The Emperor can generate a psychic beacon that stretches across the universe, but Malcador can't shroud a planet?

Sigh. Keep hating.

You're a funny one. It's why we keep you around.

**daedalus-templarius**

Think I'll try to build the dreadknight sans the harness, might look a bit less baby-carrier-ish.

Fully enclosed sans head (maybe) or fully exposed imo, the harness thing just looks silly.

**pretre**

So basically... I have no objection to what you said?

**bhsman**

pretre wrote:So basically... I have no objection to what you said?

Of course not, it's your schtick: You have no objections to anything, no matter how ridiculous.

**Kanluwen**

As a heads-up, a fair number of Inquisitor models went up today.

Including:

**pretre**

bhsman wrote:
pretre wrote:So basically... I have no objection to what you said?

Of course not, it's your schtick: You have no objections to anything, no matter how ridiculous.

Oooh, I have a shtick now.... And way to set me up:

I object to you and you're pretty ridiculous.

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Oh and Kan, that's an old model. Released with C: WH.

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and Kan, you'll be glad to know that I'm the new apologist apparently because I'm too agreeable.

**Kanluwen**

I know it is.

But he was also a limited edition roadshow model.

He's now Direct Only, for $15.

Coteaz and the Witchhunter Inquisitor from the Witchhunter+retinue boxed set are also available singly.

$15 each.

**bhsman**

pretre wrote:Oooh, I have a shtick now.... And way to set me up:

I object to you and you're pretty ridiculous.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Your dogged defense of this release against ANY criticism is pretty striking, though. I think you need to understand that Kan and I aren't the ones to usually get upset at every little thing GW does; maybe we have valid claims for criticism?

But hey, just call us haters. Doggies gonna dog.

**ImperialTard**

bhsman wrote:Doggies gonna dog.

Huh?

**bhsman**

He's being dogged in his defense. Bad joke on my part. :p