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One thing to all the Dreadknight Haters

Mr Hyena wrote:How are they? we still have Coteaz right?

Well aside from the fact that they've taken every single Inquisitorial thing and squished them into a single unit, we still need two GK units to fill compulsory troops requirements.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:How are they? we still have Coteaz right?

Well aside from the fact that they've taken every single Inquisitorial thing and squished them into a single unit, we still need two GK units to fill compulsory troops requirements.

Let's not do this. This is why the first N&R thread was locked.

Cerebrium wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:How are they? we still have Coteaz right?

Well aside from the fact that they've taken every single Inquisitorial thing and squished them into a single unit, we still need two GK units to fill compulsory troops requirements.

Let's not do this. This is why the first N&R thread was locked.

Yeah, don't say this near Phear.


EVER.

I still can't believe we made a YMDC thread about a codex that wasn't even released yet...

Platuan4th wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:How are they? we still have Coteaz right?

Well aside from the fact that they've taken every single Inquisitorial thing and squished them into a single unit, we still need two GK units to fill compulsory troops requirements.

Let's not do this. This is why the first N&R thread was locked.

Yeah, don't say this near Phear.


EVER.

Hmmm, I have hazy memories about "boxes". If only I could remember the rest...

Ah the inquisition have found me!

Cerebrium wrote:Judging from the playtest codex, Inquisitors can pack an unholy amount of weapons.

"One for every occasion!"

Perfect.


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Murdock129 wrote:One thing to all the Dreadknight Haters

oh.... my... fething... god...


I WANT ONE.

Murdock129 wrote:One thing to all the Dreadknight Haters

See, I wouldn't put it past the Orks to make something like this. After all, they are Orks and can get away with a lot.

Grey Knights however...

Awesome shoop though. As for the rest of the discussion since I last looked into this thread, the arguments are just running in circles. Unless there is something new to add this thread can be laid to peace now. I've said my rage and I am fine now.

Actually, that makes me wonder if GW isn't making crappy models just so that they can look awesome looted.

I mean, if a looted wave serpent can be made, why not a looted dead knight?

Also, yeah, great 'shop.

Scrazza wrote:

Vargtass wrote:

"Autobots, engage!"

This... is the epitome of GW failure. And I thought the Stormraven was bad. What next, orks with wings? A titan in the form of a space marine? a gigantic gun on a wee metal horse? seriously? If GW continues like this, I might just find and switch over to another sci fi range.

I just want to know why, on the shoulder-shield, that demon chick is giving that guy with the sword a hug. Was he lonely? Sad? Is he an Emo-Marine?

Maybe the knight is fighting off the wiles of slaanesh?

I guess I don't understand how Draigo can be the grand master of the Grey Knights. The guy is stuck in the warp most of the time, how can they even be sure he still exists?

Noisy_Marine wrote:I guess I don't understand how Draigo can be the grand master of the Grey Knights. The guy is stuck in the warp most of the time, how can they even be sure he still exists?

He banishes M'Kar. Rises to Grand Master. M'Kar comes back, and gets banished again. But takes Draigo with him. Basically, the blurb on the GW site cut half the story out, and they didn't bother to check it.

The GW site also mentions M'kachen as a Daemon Prince. Either someone retconed the fluff behind stern or M'kachen got demoted.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I guess I don't understand how Draigo can be the grand master of the Grey Knights. The guy is stuck in the warp most of the time, how can they even be sure he still exists?

This is the Imperium... The current ruler of which is a corpse...

metallifan wrote:Not to mention he apparently died on Armaggeddon, killed Angron, and carved his name into Mortarion's heart. Guess they completely 'Squatted' all that OTT history for something more humble and reali-ohrite. He's still ridiculous.


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Trickstick wrote:

metallifan wrote:

Azure wrote:Have you...heard about Draigo?

This is actually an excellent point - How can someone have "risen rapidly through the ranks" and become the Grand Master of the Grey Knights if HE'S BEEN TRAPPED IN THE WARP HIS ENTIRE LIFE SINCE DEFEATING A DAEMON PRINCE AS A MERE BATTLE-BROTHER! JESUS ****ING CHRIST!!

It's things like these that make me glad I'm starting up CWC.

Um, Draigo defeated the daemon, rose through the ranks to grand master, defeated the daemon again when it returned and was then cast into the warp. Did you even read what you are talking about?

Games Workshop wrote:Kaldor Draigo is the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights and a warrior beyond reckoning. As a lowly Battle-Brother he banished the Daemon Prince M'kar the Reborn and he has risen steadily through the ranks to become the Grand Master of the most secretive Chapter of Space Marines. Yet ever since his battle with M'kar, Draigo has been cursed to a life within the Warp, doomed to walk within the Realm of Chaos. To remain pure when constantly assailed by Chaos shows such fortitude and personal strength that it is beyond measure. But while Draigo lives, he will prevail and one day, he will return.

Copypasta, straight off the site.

So he's survived being IN the Warp. IN the realm of the Chaos Gods. Boys, I think we found the Starchild.

Owain wrote:
So he's survived being IN the Warp. IN the realm of the Chaos Gods. Boys, I think we found the Starchild.

It's not as uncommon as you make it out to be. Many of the worlds in the Eye of Terror are populated by non-daemons.

I do not know why everyone is so "betrayed" by the new Dreadknight? Why cant GW move forward with any concepts.....Heretics INDEED! You all sound like the Inquisition. If you dont like the new GK then dont play them...just dont be surprised when a young kid spams three of them and smites your battle line.

insaniak wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:I guess I don't understand how Draigo can be the grand master of the Grey Knights. The guy is stuck in the warp most of the time, how can they even be sure he still exists?

This is the Imperium... The current ruler of which is a corpse...

Touche

For a slightly less flippant answer, in an Imperium spanning the galaxy, where worlds and ships in transit are frequently cut off from communication for decades (or on occasion centuries) at a time, I would think that the beaurocracy would have a lot of redundancy built in.

Organisations of all types would frequently be cut off from their far-flung parts. So having the head of the organisation, even a military one, being out of contact for extended times would mean nothing more than that someone else would be filling in to cover whatever needs doing while he's gone.

Less paperwork (and less embarrassing) that way than declaring him dead and having him show up on the doorstep a week later wondering why his key no longer works.

Look familiar anyone...?

Yup... that's the guy that was posted a couple of pages back.

Draigo turned a Bloodthirster's axe into his sword...and he's using it to this day, and nobody is calling heretic on him...probably because they're too scared...

Big body, tiny head. Hahahahaha

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Sisters might have not been original, but at least they had variety and were decently "fleshed out". Seraphims were also different in that they had two pistols and used it in a different and awesome way, something only Creed ever did.

Cypher told me to tell you that his lawyers want to speak with you...

UberhAxTHC wrote:Draigo turned a Bloodthirster's axe into his sword...and he's using it to this day, and nobody is calling heretic on him...probably because they're too scared...

Logan Grimnar's Axe and Marneus Calgar's Gauntlets were both taken from dead Chaos champions.
I'm sure he appreciates the irony of the fact he has killed people for simply holding a daemon weapon whereas he actively took one and is using it, but i think he has a few other problems.

To most Marines, and probably him in particular Irony is like Goldy and Bronzey- just a colour.

Hypocrisy is pretty much the Imperium's modus operandi anyway. A lot of the stuff they do they could only justify by 'but it's us doing it, so it's ok...'

Daemonhosts anyone


*edited for dyslexia*




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I'm aware of the schism between Radical and Puritanical Inquisitor btw, before anyone bludges me with it.

It was just the most strident example i had to hand. There are many others...

pretre wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:My quibble is that there has never, to my knowledge, been anything like this mentioned for the Grey Knights ever, ever, ever.

That's an odd reason to dislike it... Every codex ever released for 40K has included stuff that hadn't previously been mentioned in the fluff.

Not so odd. Fear of change is pretty common.

Kanluwen wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:My quibble is that there has never, to my knowledge, been anything like this mentioned for the Grey Knights ever, ever, ever.

That's an odd reason to dislike it... Every codex ever released for 40K has included stuff that hadn't previously been mentioned in the fluff.

Not necessarily true, at least not if we're talking about recently rather than the time from 2nd edition onwards.

Part of what made the Blood Angels so absurd was the addition of the Stormraven when we could have gotten something already established.

Hell, practically the only 'new' thing in the Imperial Guard Codex that wasn't already in the fluff was the Vendetta.

Kanluwen wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Not necessarily true, at least not if we're talking about recently rather than the time from 2nd edition onwards.

Can you find a single codex that doesn't include some piece of new fluff?

Try it... you might be surprised.

Hell, practically the only 'new' thing in the Imperial Guard Codex that wasn't already in the fluff was the Vendetta.

The 'only new thing' is still something new...

I meant that more as a 'there's never really been anything introduced as huge as the Dreadknight/Stormravens'.

Even so: most of the stuff we saw introduced was at least hinted at beforehand in the novels, etc.


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pretre wrote:Banewolf? Devildog?
Marbo?

I didn't play 4th ed. Was Harker or Bastonne in there?

Remember the hoo-hah over LR Squadrons back when they were introduced? Or basilisk squads?
PBS?
Punisher, Eradicator, Executioner? (May have been IA previously...)

Executioner was not new.
Nor were LR squadrons, Basilisk 'batteries', etc.

The Punisher is new, as is the Eradicator.

Harker's old, Bastonne's new.

I've used these as quotes as this discussion basically sums up what I am trying to say.

I kind of think it is fear of change it's also to do with not having an explanation of where to say, the Dreadknight in this circumstance, comes from.

Certain things can be explained. A new form of tank created from a Leman Russ or Land Raider to counter a certain enemy. A new Tyranid Organism comes about from absorbing bio mass of psykers. But the Dreadknight just seems to come from no where. I know the explanation is to deal with larger Daemons but is it required? Draigos survived in the Immaterium without assistance. Brother Captains have sent Daemon Princes back to the warp. It seems to me that they have added something just for the sake of it. I think that's my problem.

UberhAxTHC wrote:Draigo turned a Bloodthirster's axe into his sword...and he's using it to this day, and nobody is calling heretic on him...probably because they're too scared...

I made this point and was duly put down as there are many instances of this apparently

There are no rules for Cypher.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I guess I don't understand how Draigo can be the grand master of the Grey Knights. The guy is stuck in the warp most of the time, how can they even be sure he still exists?

Well, Russ is still technically Primarch of the Space Wolves and we have no idea if he's still alive either.


Also, the "his sword is a bloodthirster axe why isn't he heretic?" question, daemonswords are used by the Inquisition. Not to mention daemonhosts, who are like the worm on an interdimensional fishing hook.