Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Empire Strikes Back,

they are chasing the Millenium Falcon through an asteroid field.

Vader is talking to his commanders on Hologram.

you will notice in the exterior shot before the scene that an asteroid smashes the bridge of a Star Destroyer.

Then one of the Holograms stutters and disappears.

they are also talking about how they are taking damage from the asteroids.






I disregard Super Weapons, and Star wars super weapons in particular, because they are simply rediclous. small absurdities are forgivable in Science Fiction, but not of the scale that Star Wars has.

Death Star: a laser that can destroy a planet. the power that the laser would need to accomplish this task is impossable. the DS would need to be completely filled with generators and have an incredibly tiny crew to power the thing. even then, it would more likely simply blow a chunk out of the planet rather then blow it into space dust.

the Starkiller(or whatever that fighter sized ship that fires Resonance torpedos to blow up stars): Resonance. on a Star. from a torpedo fired from a starfighter. This takes the cake for absurdity. also, its Fanfic which i absolutly detest.


the Star Wars Fanfic crowd seems to have a fetish for super weapons and they keep trying to out do each other. it cheapens the scaryness of the Death Star. why was it so scary if super weapons of that power had come around before and would come around again.


but to be fair, I woudn't include Exterminatus when comparing the IoM and Star Wars.

If they're plowing through an asteroid field, it's logical to assume they've been there a while, and taken dozens of hits from asteroids. The shields collapse from the prolonged pounding, and one slips through.

Regardless of how you see them, superweapons are an integral part of Star Wars canon. You do NOT disregard them simply because you don't think they make sense. They make sense in the setting, and adhere to the precedent put forth by the highest level of canon. Whether or not you like it, they're there.

Also, I'm not sure how stupid you have to be to think that the EU is fanfic.

Grey Templar wrote:
EU is most certaintly Fanfic.

most of the stories(maybe i had a bad selection) are horribly written or have a stupid premise.

If we include Super Weapons, I get to include the possability of Deamons eating Jedi brains(Jedi = psyker) or Warp Rifts opening up when a 40k ship is destroyed.

then Star Wars is well and truely screwed.

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
EU is most certaintly Fanfic.

most of the stories(maybe i had a bad selection) are horribly written or have a stupid premise.

If we include Super Weapons, I get to include the possability of Deamons eating Jedi brains(Jedi = psyker) or Warp Rifts opening up when a 40k ship is destroyed.

then Star Wars is well and truely screwed.

They're still not fanfiction. Stop using that word. You have no idea what it means.

Jedi are not psykers. You've not provided any evidence to prove they are, other than having supernatural powers.

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

This doesn't change the fact they aren't any better then some nerd in his mom's basement writing stories(which many of them might as well be)


the quality of the work is of fanfic level.




as to Jedi being psykers.

they may not be the same but, then again, they might. its a good paralell. and the only real way both psychic powers and the Force could exist in the same place.

Nothing says where the energy for Force powers is obtained, just that there is an energy field that surrounds everything. the Warp is an Alternate dimension(made of Energy) which is adjacent to every point in the universe(surrounding everything)

even if this isn't correct, there is still the Deamon problem. there will be latent psykers somewhere in the galaxy and they will have no defense now that the Dark God's gaze have been drawn.



you get your silly little super weapons, I get my deamonic hordes.

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Starkiller hasn't been published its an online story XD

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Starkiller hasn't been published its an online story XD

What are you talking about? Starkiller? What does Galen Marek have to do with this?

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Starkiller hasn't been published its an online story XD

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

This doesn't change the fact they aren't any better then some nerd in his mom's basement writing stories(which many of them might as well be)


the quality of the work is of fanfic level.




as to Jedi being psykers.

they may not be the same but, then again, they might. its a good paralell. and the only real way both psychic powers and the Force could exist in the same place.

Nothing says where the energy for Force powers is obtained, just that there is an energy field that surrounds everything. the Warp is an Alternate dimension(made of Energy) which is adjacent to every point in the universe(surrounding everything)

even if this isn't correct, there is still the Deamon problem. there will be latent psykers somewhere in the galaxy and they will have no defense now that the Dark God's gaze have been drawn.



you get your silly little super weapons, I get my deamonic hordes.

Okay, now you're backing up faster than I can post. Now they're not fanfic, just as bad as fanfic. Too bad that some fanfic is exceptionally well written, in addition to being easier to read than your posts.


Okay, you can have daemons. Too bad the Tyranids don't summon them, and Jedi don't. What was your point again?
Jedi are not psykers. Psykers draw their power from the Warp. If Jedi were psykers, there would be daemons in Star Wars.

As for genestealers, read the OP. There is no mention in the scenario given of the Tyranids having seeded worlds with genestealers.

Asherian Command wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Starkiller hasn't been published its an online story XD

What are you talking about? Starkiller? What does Galen Marek have to do with this?

The Ship.
There is a ship called a Starkiller. Hell there are 5 starkillers.
The Character
The Clone
The Super Weapon
The Vessel
The Fighter.

.....
Wha???

Platuan4th wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Starkiller hasn't been published its an online story XD

WTF are you on about?

Black Library is licensed fiction. The Authors are NOT employees of GW with the occasional exception.

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Starkiller hasn't been published its an online story XD

What are you talking about? Starkiller? What does Galen Marek have to do with this?

The Ship.
There is a ship called a Starkiller. Hell there are 5 starkillers.
The Character
The Clone
The Super Weapon
The Vessel
The Fighter.

.....
Wha???

And I assumed that you were referring to the super weapon, but why? All it does is shift ships already in hyperspace. Why are you bringing that up?

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Starkiller hasn't been published its an online story XD

WTF are you on about?

Black Library is licensed fiction. The Authors are NOT employees of GW with the occasional exception.

What? Starkiller the Superweapon is a fanfic. It was also destroyed during the clone wars because it had a fatal design. like it basically exploded because it used so much energy it forgot about it is engines and flew straight into a sun.
And I am not talking about Black Library

Platuan4th wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They are Fanfic that has simply recieved Lucas's stamp of approval and been published.

The same is true for Black Library, too, if that's how you view licensed fiction.

Starkiller hasn't been published its an online story XD

WTF are you on about?

Black Library is licensed fiction. The Authors are NOT employees of GW with the occasional exception.

What? Starkiller the Superweapon is a fanfic. It was also destroyed during the clone wars because it had a fatal design. like it basically exploded because it used so much energy it forgot about it is engines and flew straight into a sun.
And I am not talking about Black Library

And in case you haven't noticed, Grey Templar was talking about the BOOKS, not online fiction. I responded in kind.

In other words, you responded without really knowing what was going on.

Grey Templar wrote:
Its STILL Fanfic. just because it has approval doesn't mean it isn't Fanfic.

You also want it to be everything in Star Wars vs the Nids. sorry, that isn't how it works.

you get everything, we also get everything. that only leads to 40k victory.




Genestealers seal the deal. they will infiltrate the entire galaxy within a few years due to Star Wars tolerence of aliens. then bam, entire galaxy falls in one fell swoop.

Genestealers would be able to infiltrate any super weapon star wars has by taking over its crew. there is no defense against it as the infected hosts are undetectable and have no idea that they are carrying the Tyranid genes.

Asherian Command wrote:
actually i was giving an example of horrible fanfics. Of course there are some ridiculous 40k fanfics.

Asherian Command wrote:
Because i am basically saying "You can't use it because it doesn't exist" anymore.

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
Its STILL Fanfic. just because it has approval doesn't mean it isn't Fanfic.

You also want it to be everything in Star Wars vs the Nids. sorry, that isn't how it works.

you get everything, we also get everything. that only leads to 40k victory.




Genestealers seal the deal. they will infiltrate the entire galaxy within a few years due to Star Wars tolerence of aliens. then bam, entire galaxy falls in one fell swoop.

Genestealers would be able to infiltrate any super weapon star wars has by taking over its crew. there is no defense against it as the infected hosts are undetectable and have no idea that they are carrying the Tyranid genes.

Yes, it does. By definition, fanfic is not licensed. It's not fanfic.

You've yet to provide evidence that Jedi are psykers.


So, if genestealers are a super-elite, undefeatable, undetectable infilatration force, how has the Imperium not fallen?

Asherian Command wrote:
Because the imperium is paranoid and kills its own civilians for the hell of it. HAve you not read 40k history at all? it clearly says that it is because the imperium knows what the taint looks like. The Starwars universe does not.
Apparently you are agrueing against 5 or more people that keep saying the tyranids win because the star wars universe will lose because of being overwhelmed.

And Nervaint i am making the point that if it was the imperium vs starwars universe imperium wins because they don't use hyperspace XD and the weapon and starkiller himself is dead and his clone is missing.

@Plantuan4th yep

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Because the imperium is paranoid and kills its own civilians for the hell of it. HAve you not read 40k history at all? it clearly says that it is because the imperium knows what the taint looks like. The Starwars universe does not.
Apparently you are agrueing against 5 or more people that keep saying the tyranids win because the star wars universe will lose because of being overwhelmed.

And Nervaint i am making the point that if it was the imperium vs starwars universe imperium wins because they don't use hyperspace XD and the weapon and starkiller himself is dead and his clone is missing.

@Plantuan4th yep

Once the Star Wars universe finds out about genestealers, they'll be even more efficient at detecting and destroying them. First contact didn't destroy the Imperium, it won't destroy the Star Wars universe.

And for your second point... what? Imperium wins because it uses an inferior method of FTL travel? Because Star Wars doesn't have its most useless super weapon? Because they're short one powerful Jedi? How does that make any sense.

Asherian Command wrote:
They won't know they are being attacked!
The tyranids are patient and over thousands of years the tyranids will win.

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
They won't know they are being attacked!
The tyranids are patient and over thousands of years the tyranids will win.

Then how did the Imperium find out about genestealers? Or do they still not know they're being attacked?

They'll find out. Medical technology in SW is far greater than the Imperium's.

Asherian Command wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
They won't know they are being attacked!
The tyranids are patient and over thousands of years the tyranids will win.

Then how did the Imperium find out about genestealers? Or do they still not know they're being attacked?

They'll find out. Medical technology in SW is far greater than the Imperium's.

They found out about it because they have known about them because they find them on a freaking planet. READ 40k HISTORY BEFORE YOU COMMENT!
Ymgayal as it is known as is where they discovered them, the imperium found them slaughtered them and studied them learned a ton and then one genestealer bred with a human and then all of a sudden they brought it home to a city world and the world fell and the imperium thence forth killed everything and learned the signs. But the tyranids were learning how the imperium fought and how cruel they were to their people. and then nom nom nom nom nom

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
They won't know they are being attacked!
The tyranids are patient and over thousands of years the tyranids will win.

Then how did the Imperium find out about genestealers? Or do they still not know they're being attacked?

They'll find out. Medical technology in SW is far greater than the Imperium's.

They found out about it because they have known about them because they find them on a freaking planet. READ 40k HISTORY BEFORE YOU COMMENT!
Ymgayal as it is known as is where they discovered them, the imperium found them slaughtered them and studied them learned a ton and then one genestealer bred with a human and then all of a sudden they brought it home to a city world and the world fell and the imperium thence forth killed everything and learned the signs. But the tyranids were learning how the imperium fought and how cruel they were to their people. and then nom nom nom nom nom

Okay, Hive Fleets are crushed, people start dying on Outer Rim worlds, investigation reveals genestealers, infestation controlled, minimum loss of life.

What's the problem?

Also, why are you shouting at me? Because I don't know the exact moment when the Imperium first encountered genestealers?

Asherian Command wrote:
That is just the first stage of an infestation. The second stage is a bit more terrfying
PLus the starwars universe will become less and less loving of each other and will splinter in fear.
Sorry to say this but you keep posting information that you don't know.
The tyranid hive fleets will destroy the entire starwars forces. Of course the starwars forces will met success early on, then comes the rest of the hive fleets attacking them from everywhere possible and the Starwars universe is basically eaten and moves onto the 40k universe.

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
That is just the first stage of an infestation. The second stage is a bit more terrfying
PLus the starwars universe will become less and less loving of each other and will splinter in fear.
Sorry to say this but you keep posting information that you don't know.
The tyranid hive fleets will destroy the entire starwars forces. Of course the starwars forces will met success early on, then comes the rest of the hive fleets attacking them from everywhere possible and the Starwars universe is basically eaten and moves onto the 40k universe.

Rest of the Hive Fleets?

Funny, telling me to stop posting, when you haven't read the OP.

Asherian Command wrote:
hit and run and they start to grow back by attacking the military installations.

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
hit and run and they start to grow back by attacking the military installations.

The Tyranids can't use hit and run tactics against the SW galaxy.

Asherian Command wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
hit and run and they start to grow back by attacking the military installations.

The Tyranids can't use hit and run tactics against the SW galaxy.

They did against the eldar and all the other races.
The Starwars universe after defeating alot of them will think "GALAXY SAVED! Now die Separatists!"
And the fleets of the starwars universe are already far apart remember the fleet around corscaunt was actually pretty small at the beginning and it wasn't until later that it tripled in size.
The tyranids would eat threw their shields and oh crap their vessels are gone!
Tyranids have more tasety biomass to have Yum