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Finally a non-metal warrior priest.

Going to have fun with some conversions into 40k.

The witch hunter and war priest looked really good, and I originally throught they were plastic kits. I got really excited, they'd make for great Inquisitional henchmen. I could see myself buying several of each.

And then I realized they were failcast.

So scratch that.

Awesome!!! Can't wait for Witch Hunter!

Fafnir wrote:The witch hunter and war priest looked really good, and I originally throught they were plastic kits. I got really excited, they'd make for great Inquisitional henchmen. I could see myself buying several of each.

And then I realized they were failcast.

So scratch that.

So the difference between "extremely excited, will buy multiple" and "disappointed, will buy zero" for you is the material?

As a "failcost" customer myself, I find that stance to be a bit odd to me.

ph34r wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The witch hunter and war priest looked really good, and I originally throught they were plastic kits. I got really excited, they'd make for great Inquisitional henchmen. I could see myself buying several of each.

And then I realized they were failcast.

So scratch that.

So the difference between "extremely excited, will buy multiple" and "disappointed, will buy zero" for you is the material?

As a "failcost" customer myself, I find that stance to be a bit odd to me.

Have you ever seen other topics such as the Mad Robot Minis one? People love one or the other

Pft, all it means is more Witch Hunters for me!

ph34r wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The witch hunter and war priest looked really good, and I originally throught they were plastic kits. I got really excited, they'd make for great Inquisitional henchmen. I could see myself buying several of each.

And then I realized they were failcast.

So scratch that.

So the difference between "extremely excited, will buy multiple" and "disappointed, will buy zero" for you is the material?

As a "failcost" customer myself, I find that stance to be a bit odd to me.

Some people, myself included, have been burned so many times with finecast that we absolutely will not buy any more of it. I don't find it to be a bit odd at all. I'm looking forward to the day that GW gets its casting process and quality control to a higher standard so that I can purchase certain models that I really like.

ph34r wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The witch hunter and war priest looked really good, and I originally throught they were plastic kits. I got really excited, they'd make for great Inquisitional henchmen. I could see myself buying several of each.

And then I realized they were failcast.

So scratch that.

So the difference between "extremely excited, will buy multiple" and "disappointed, will buy zero" for you is the material?

As a "failcost" customer myself, I find that stance to be a bit odd to me.

I won't speak for Fafnir, but it certainly is for me. I don't buy hardly any non-plastics anymore. And I certainly don't buy Failcast.

lasgunpacker wrote:Technically it is that the horses are growing to match their oversized riders, rather than the horses being to small. They are already too big for historical/realistic horses.

I don't get what this means. If there's a guy on a horse, then the two things in scale to one another are the horse and the man. One can't be in scale with the other is too small. If the rider gets bigger, then the horse doesn't remain 'in scale', they are simply not in scale with each other.


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ph34r wrote:So the difference between "extremely excited, will buy multiple" and "disappointed, will buy zero" for you is the material?

As a "failcost" customer myself, I find that stance to be a bit odd to me.

The internet has no place for reasoned, moderated opinion. Something is either the best thing that has ever been, or the worst thing that's ever been. You must pick one hill, climb upon it and swear to all and sundry that you will die defending it.

sebster wrote:The internet has no place for reasoned, moderated opinion. Something is either the best thing that has ever been, or the worst thing that's ever been. You must pick one hill, climb upon it and swear to all and sundry that you will die defending it.

That often applies yes, but in this case it is a totally off the mark nonsense comment.

A lot of customers simply do not want the overpriced garbage that is "finecast" anymore after having to deal with flawed product too many times. It's quality has not improved since it first showed it's ugly face, and until it does they will waste no more money on it. That is a VERY reasoned, moderated opinion based on experience. It has absolutely nothing to do with climbing hills and swearing by whatever. The only way GW ever gets the message = not buying.

So yes, plastic or "finecast" does make a huge difference.

*Watches GW death star his wallet*

PEEEEWWWW BOOM..

*Sigh ... raises fancy purple and yellow and white banner*

Ostermark shall rise again!

I was looking forward to wood elves and brets getting a new book

sebster wrote:

lasgunpacker wrote:Technically it is that the horses are growing to match their oversized riders, rather than the horses being to small. They are already too big for historical/realistic horses.

I don't get what this means. If there's a guy on a horse, then the two things in scale to one another are the horse and the man. One can't be in scale with the other is too small. If the rider gets bigger, then the horse doesn't remain 'in scale', they are simply not in scale with each other.

The horses are unchanged from their introduction and are somewhat in scale to the rest of the Empire line (although again, they are a bit too large). The knights are newer than the horses, and are a larger scale than the horses. So their scale to one another is one thing, and their relative scale to the rest of the Empire line is another.

Farmer wrote:I was looking forward to wood elves and brets getting a new book

You're going to have to wait for a while

Last I heard I think WoC were next (Yes, another somewhat recent 7th book )

I was kind of disappointed hearing that Empire was getting a new book-they don't really need it at all. But then I saw the new Karl Franz model. Hot damn, I want that thing! That griffon is amazing. I'm kinda bummed I sold my Empire army a few years ago to pay bills...maybe it's time to restart it...

ph34r wrote:So the difference between "extremely excited, will buy multiple" and "disappointed, will buy zero" for you is the material?

As a "failcost" customer myself, I find that stance to be a bit odd to me.

It's definitely that way for me. I'm overseas so anything I buy will be online and I just won't risk my money sight unseen on a product with such a bad reputation.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

ph34r wrote:So the difference between "extremely excited, will buy multiple" and "disappointed, will buy zero" for you is the material?

As a "failcost" customer myself, I find that stance to be a bit odd to me.

It's definitely that way for me. I'm overseas so anything I buy will be online and I just won't risk my money sight unseen on a product with such a bad reputation.

While three of my four experiences with failcast have been positive, they have all been in-store purchases. My personal conspiracy theory is GW knows about the flaws, but keeps them going to force people to buy in the store so they can open and inspect them there.

As for the figs, while I like the witch hunter, it isn't a Warhammer witch hunter. The puritan hat had become a standard feature on them for a while now and was very prevalent in Warhammer MMO.

One extra note, for those that are mocking the idea of cavalry halberds, while not common in Europe, they were used in China. So the idea wasn't pulled out of the air. If anything, the designer might have been playing a little too much Dynasty Warriors.

TBD wrote:That often applies yes, but in this case it is a totally off the mark nonsense comment.

A lot of customers simply do not want the overpriced garbage that is "finecast" anymore after having to deal with flawed product too many times. It's quality has not improved since it first showed it's ugly face, and until it does they will waste no more money on it. That is a VERY reasoned, moderated opinion based on experience. It has absolutely nothing to do with climbing hills and swearing by whatever. The only way GW ever gets the message = not buying.

So yes, plastic or "finecast" does make a huge difference.

Nah, see it's still extreme though. A moderated argument would be "I like these new models, but they're in finecast so I'd urge everyone to check the model in the store".

And sales tracking isn't quite the exact science where GW could tell the difference between people not buying a model because it's in finecast, or because people just aren't that crazy about that model. Whereas if people went into the stores, bought it and then upon seeing it was a dodgy print take another off the shelf, then GW would get the lesson - nothing could convince them more than seeing a massive number of models returned as defective.


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lasgunpacker wrote:The horses are unchanged from their introduction and are somewhat in scale to the rest of the Empire line (although again, they are a bit too large). The knights are newer than the horses, and are a larger scale than the horses. So their scale to one another is one thing, and their relative scale to the rest of the Empire line is another.

Oh I get what you mean now. Fair point.

Ultimately, though, to me the more recent horses with more defined musculature look a lot cooler. And yet while GW is adding those to new models, they're still cranking out the old horses for anyone that wants a unit of knights.

They don't seem to have much motivation to redo some of the older models, instead they seem to be focusing upon removing those larger units which did not have a plastic option and granting said option while also adding a few new units here and there in plastic.

It's sad there are no new Knights, but it is nice to have some new units available I think.

There's something anatomically wrong with those big griffons, I don't like them at all...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=21900012a

.. Death World battles for the 40k players too eh ?

Deathworld Missions... Awesome! I love sending my guard in just to have them die by plant... or frickn' big insect... or spikey styrofoam ball of toothpicks..

sebster wrote:

TBD wrote:That often applies yes, but in this case it is a totally off the mark nonsense comment.

A lot of customers simply do not want the overpriced garbage that is "finecast" anymore after having to deal with flawed product too many times. It's quality has not improved since it first showed it's ugly face, and until it does they will waste no more money on it. That is a VERY reasoned, moderated opinion based on experience. It has absolutely nothing to do with climbing hills and swearing by whatever. The only way GW ever gets the message = not buying.

So yes, plastic or "finecast" does make a huge difference.

Nah, see it's still extreme though. A moderated argument would be "I like these new models, but they're in finecast so I'd urge everyone to check the model in the store".

I don't think it's "extreme."

I've certainly been turned off of Finecast because of the mistakes I've seen. I've made the conscious decision not to buy Finecast simply because it's clear that GW doesn't know what they're doing with resin. If I need a character that I can't make from a plastic box I'd rather get it from a third party than risk GW finecast.

reds8n wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=21900012a

.. Death World battles for the 40k players too eh ?

Just for amusement and context, here's the issue in which those Empire warhorse sprues were new...

biccat wrote:

sebster wrote:

TBD wrote:That often applies yes, but in this case it is a totally off the mark nonsense comment.

A lot of customers simply do not want the overpriced garbage that is "finecast" anymore after having to deal with flawed product too many times. It's quality has not improved since it first showed it's ugly face, and until it does they will waste no more money on it. That is a VERY reasoned, moderated opinion based on experience. It has absolutely nothing to do with climbing hills and swearing by whatever. The only way GW ever gets the message = not buying.

So yes, plastic or "finecast" does make a huge difference.

Nah, see it's still extreme though. A moderated argument would be "I like these new models, but they're in finecast so I'd urge everyone to check the model in the store".

I don't think it's "extreme."

I've certainly been turned off of Finecast because of the mistakes I've seen. I've made the conscious decision not to buy Finecast simply because it's clear that GW doesn't know what they're doing with resin. If I need a character that I can't make from a plastic box I'd rather get it from a third party than risk GW finecast.

It is not extreme to boycott a product line that has been frequently faulty and unfit for purpose. It's unacceptable that many of the in-store answers to this is 'just fix it up with Green Stuff' - since we effectively have to finish sculpting the £20 miniature we just bought, not to mention the fact that many of these are warped in ways no amount of green stuff can fix.
I love Warrior Priests to bits, they're one of my favorite parts of Warhammer lore in general, but I'm not touching this Finecast Priest that's coming out. I've still got my old metal Warrior Priest with 2 hand weapons, who I think is a better model overall.

GW is really churning out one WHFB army book after another over the last 1.5 years. Tomb Kings, Orcs, Ogres, Vamps, now Empire.

I think its cool the empire now have over sized monster to lead there heroes into battle.
Those gryphons are awesme.

English Assassin wrote:

reds8n wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=21900012a

.. Death World battles for the 40k players too eh ?

Just for amusement and context, here's the issue in which those Empire warhorse sprues were new...

I still love that cover art. So that means this upcoming Empire book will be my 4th, tied with Undead/VC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E4r2swcAITo

Video is up that showcases the models a little better. Quite sexy, I have to say.

1+ armour Monstrous cav?

Ok, tempted. Just gotta see their points cost.

The Warrior Priest from Volkmar's Popemobile is really...Vampire-y.


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