Ultimate Eldar Battle Report "The Trilogy" - AlamoGT(X)Railhead Rumble(X)WargamesCon(X)19/19FINISHED

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**Unholy_Martyr**

Venerable Dreadnoughts are automatically elites for Grey Knights.

**Smitty0305**

Unholy_Martyr wrote:Venerable Dreadnoughts are automatically elites for Grey Knights.

so the stormravens are dedicated?

**Warmaster**

Storm Ravens are Fast Attack choices (you know, that section most eldar players never look at

).

**Mannahnin**

Yep. SR are FA for GK, as opposed to HS for BA.

**racta**

HOLD THE PHONE!

There's a fast attack section in the Eldar codex?
What kind of lies and propaganda is this?

**Mannahnin**

Vypers can be playable in a max-S6 shooting list, depending on the points level.

**jy2**

Don't Warp Spiders have S6 shooting as well....or are they from the dark eldar codex?

**Spellbound**

Double stormraven lists function exactly as you see in Smitty's bat rep and my bat rep.

Smitty's: They get shot down. Game over.

Me: They don't get shot down. Game over the other way.

It puts the entire game in a few 4+ dice rolls and the vehicle damage table. For some, that's what they like. For me, that would never work.

And balls-out, you say? He spent two turns milling about shooting missiles at me, thank you very much. I feel good giving the infamously ballsy player pause on his advance

**Red Corsair**

I love warp spiders, my brother always manages to DS them behind my vehicles and start blowing them up.

**Smitty0305**

Game 6 Against Russels Sisters of Battle

Spoiler:

**Theruss**

Sisters have a hard time with eldar. With most of my guns short range and my exorcist failing all game its easy to pick and chose your fights in that match. I couldn't apply pressure all i could do was react.
Also my dominions failing to destroy any vehicle they shot at didnt help either.

**Smitty0305**

Theruss wrote:Sisters have a hard time with eldar. With most of my guns short range and my exorcist failing all game its easy to pick and chose your fights in that match. I couldn't apply pressure all i could do was react.
Also my dominions failing to destroy any vehicle they shot at didnt help either.

I assume this is Russel?

Ur exorcist still managed to blow up 2 of my tanks so it wasnt that bad.

As far as your play style, alot of what I say is more "In Theory" kind of stuff just to make the thread interesting. What I meant by the strategy recap is that In a perfect World X and X is what is supposed to happen, and avoiding X while Doing X is important. I wasnt saying that it was possible in this game with these variables, I was just throwing out IF's and Buts to make the summary interesting.

The game was really close and I enjoyed it.

Anything you want me to add to the report?

**hyv3mynd**

"Eldrad then counters, and with a swift swing of his blade kills the last 2 sisters."

Doesn't Eldrad only have 1 attack?

**Smitty0305**

hyv3mynd wrote:"Eldrad then counters, and with a swift swing of his blade kills the last 2 sisters."

Doesn't Eldrad only have 1 attack?

Eldrad has a pistol and staff so its 3 on the charge and 2 base. Eldar psykers generally get 2 attacks base (warlocks and farseers), that being said I also saw a video of fritz rolling 3 and 2 dice for Eldrad, ive always played it this way for about 3 years.

I dont have my codex on me, but im pretty sure it says something like "the staff of ulthamar is a witchblade that always wounds on a roll of 2+ and ignores armor saves".

If my 210 point HQ doesnt get an extra attack Id be somewhat sad

**jy2**

The SW list is kind of funky. I'm actually kind of surprised that he did as well as he did so far. I've seen better anti-meta all-foot SW lists. Must've had some dice go his way.

I'm predicting your mechdar takes this because he's only got 2x long fangs.

**hyv3mynd**

Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:"Eldrad then counters, and with a swift swing of his blade kills the last 2 sisters."

Doesn't Eldrad only have 1 attack?

Eldrad has a pistol and staff so its 3 on the charge and 2 base.

Right but isn't his staff a 2h weapon?

**Smitty0305**

hyv3mynd wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:"Eldrad then counters, and with a swift swing of his blade kills the last 2 sisters."

Doesn't Eldrad only have 1 attack?

Eldrad has a pistol and staff so its 3 on the charge and 2 base.

Right but isn't his staff a 2h weapon?

I dont have my codex on me, but im pretty sure it says something like "the staff of ulthamar is a witchblade that always wounds on a roll of 2+ and ignores armor saves".

**rigeld2**

Just based on lists and mission, I think you've got it. Time to read the rep.

**Smitty0305**

Before you click Show, Predict what happens game 7 and post it (you can look at the wolves list if you want). After you read the report go and edit your response. Lets see who can predict how the game goes!

Railhead Game 7 (final game)- Vs. Nick's Space Wolves

Spoiler:

**Aves**

Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:"Eldrad then counters, and with a swift swing of his blade kills the last 2 sisters."

Doesn't Eldrad only have 1 attack?

Eldrad has a pistol and staff so its 3 on the charge and 2 base.

Right but isn't his staff a 2h weapon?

I dont have my codex on me, but im pretty sure it says something like "the staff of ulthamar is a witchblade that always wounds on a roll of 2+ and ignores armor saves".

It is two-handed, but he also has a Witchblade, so 1 attack with the Staff, two if you choose to use the Witchblade/pistol combo. So if you want to ignore armour saves then you only get 1 attack. Just FYI.

edit: and your game 7 doesn't go past deployment, are you waiting to post the rest?

**Smitty0305**

Aves wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:"Eldrad then counters, and with a swift swing of his blade kills the last 2 sisters."

Doesn't Eldrad only have 1 attack?

Eldrad has a pistol and staff so its 3 on the charge and 2 base.

Right but isn't his staff a 2h weapon?

I dont have my codex on me, but im pretty sure it says something like "the staff of ulthamar is a witchblade that always wounds on a roll of 2+ and ignores armor saves".

It is two-handed, but he also has a Witchblade, so 1 attack with the Staff, two if you choose to use the Witchblade/pistol combo. So if you want to ignore armour saves then you only get 1 attack. Just FYI.

edit: and your game 7 doesn't go past deployment, are you waiting to post the rest?

yea Ill post the rest of the game tommorow.

As far as Eldrads attacks Ill read up on it but I dont think that is accurate. From what I understand the rule is made so you cant have 2 special weapons stack on eachother giving +1. Eldrad can use his Staff(special)and His Pistol(regular), which would grant him +1 attacks. Eldrads staff isnt a 2 handed weapon, your wrong in saying that. There is a huge RAI and RAR debate, and both of them support that Eldrad can get 2 attacks in close combat.

This thread displays the arguement as well - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/284802.page

If you want to debate it on the thread thats fine , free bumps.

**CaptainJay**

I don't understand where the foot squad of 14 has come from (also I want to double check how he split the wolf guard up).
I guess it'd be something like this?

Grey Hunters Pack X7 Meltagun , Mark, Rhino + WG (combi-melta & PF)
Grey Hunters Pack X7 Meltagun , Mark, Rhino + WG (combi-melta & PF)
Grey Hunters Pack X7 Meltagun , Mark, Rhino + WG (combi-melta & PF)

Grey Hunters Pack X8, MeltaGun, Drop Pod + WG(TDA; PF & combi-melta)

Grey Hunters Pack X10. 2x Plasma Gun. + WG(TDA; PW & Cyclone)

Wolf Scouts Pack X5 , MeltaGun, MeltaBombs + WG (combi-melta & PF)
Wolf Scouts Pack X5, MeltaGun, MeltaBombs + WG (combi-melta & PF)

6x Longfangs, Pack Leader, 5x Missile Launchers + WG (naked)
6x Longfangs, Pack Leader, 5x Missile Launchers + WG (storm bolter)

**rigeld2**

Yeah... If he assigned more than one wolf guard to a unit he "cheated".

**jy2**

Maybe there were more HQ's or maybe 1 of the units of grey hunters were actually 10+ blood claws (or whatever the other troop choice is called) or maybe the OP just remembered wrong?

I'm sure there is a logical explanation.

**Smitty0305**

Mabe the footsquad was 11. I thought it was 14 for some reason.

**rigeld2**

jy2 wrote:Maybe there were more HQ's or maybe 1 of the units of grey hunters were actually 10+ blood claws (or whatever the other troop choice is called) or maybe the OP just remembered wrong?

I'm sure there is a logical explanation.

Hence why I used quotes. Even if Smittys description is exactly right, I'm sure it wasn't malicious.
Regardless, looking forward to the report.

**Smitty0305**

Possible Army List for WargamesCon - DeathStarDar

Would you guys enjoy watching me play this list? Do you think it has any major flaws? Do you think it can win?

Spoiler:

**mars2024**

This seems very different from what you usually run. I'm interested to see how you use it.

Question: When you fortune immobile War Walkers (or any other non-flat out vehicle), what save are they re-rolling?

**BlueDagger**

Aves wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:"Eldrad then counters, and with a swift swing of his blade kills the last 2 sisters."

Doesn't Eldrad only have 1 attack?

Eldrad has a pistol and staff so its 3 on the charge and 2 base.

Right but isn't his staff a 2h weapon?

I dont have my codex on me, but im pretty sure it says something like "the staff of ulthamar is a witchblade that always wounds on a roll of 2+ and ignores armor saves".

It is two-handed, but he also has a Witchblade, so 1 attack with the Staff, two if you choose to use the Witchblade/pistol combo. So if you want to ignore armour saves then you only get 1 attack. Just FYI.

edit: and your game 7 doesn't go past deployment, are you waiting to post the rest?

Eldrad staff is not a two-handed weapon despite the common though that it is. It is merely a weapon that wounds on a 2+ and ignores armor saves. He also have a Witchblade and a pistol. This means that he can use his pistol + staff or pistol and witchblade depending on if you're attacking infantry or a vehicle. On the 3 weapons debate, it's been done a million times. Having gear does not equal wielding gear.

On that list, more flaws then Kim Kardashian's personality. Depending on what you fight it'll be ok, but definately don't walk into a GT with it.

**Smitty0305**

mars2024 wrote:This seems very different from what you usually run. I'm interested to see how you use it.

Question: When you fortune immobile War Walkers (or any other non-flat out vehicle), what save are they re-rolling?

cover save

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BlueDagger wrote:
Aves wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
hyv3mynd wrote:"Eldrad then counters, and with a swift swing of his blade kills the last 2 sisters."

Doesn't Eldrad only have 1 attack?

Eldrad has a pistol and staff so its 3 on the charge and 2 base.

Right but isn't his staff a 2h weapon?

I dont have my codex on me, but im pretty sure it says something like "the staff of ulthamar is a witchblade that always wounds on a roll of 2+ and ignores armor saves".

It is two-handed, but he also has a Witchblade, so 1 attack with the Staff, two if you choose to use the Witchblade/pistol combo. So if you want to ignore armour saves then you only get 1 attack. Just FYI.

edit: and your game 7 doesn't go past deployment, are you waiting to post the rest?

Eldrad staff is not a two-handed weapon despite the common though that it is. It is merely a weapon that wounds on a 2+ and ignores armor saves. He also have a Witchblade and a pistol. This means that he can use his pistol + staff or pistol and witchblade depending on if you're attacking infantry or a vehicle. On the 3 weapons debate, it's been done a million times. Having gear does not equal wielding gear.

On that list, more flaws then Kim Kardashian's personality. Depending on what you fight it'll be ok, but definately don't walk into a GT with it.

yeee 3 attacks.

And you really dont think the army will do well in a GT? Besides Dark Eldar I dont see a hard counter to it.