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So, who is going full Kataphron mode now with the points information?

I was planning to run way more Fulgurite-Dunerider units, but with the points increase I'll probably scale those down and include plenty of Breachers that I already wanted, as well as Grav-Stroyers thanks to their points drop. It just seems too good to pass up.

My other option is Plasma Vanguard in Duneriders.

I am doing Boatspam still. Firebase with 5x Auto Ballistarii, 2x Icarus Crawler, 3x Dakkabots. Assault element with 4 Boats loaded with 20 Hoplites and 20 barebones Vanguard.

I'm definitely running a couple Icarus Dune Crawlers, I luckily found a couple old Start Collecting boxes.

Any reason why you're running bare bone Vanguard as opposed to double 5 man squads with 2x Plasma each? The points in 9th for a Plasma Vanguard didn't change from 8th, which definitely makes them more appealing. Especially when you consider a boat can hold four of the special weapons.

The Hoplites are definitely awesome right now, same with the Dakkas and Auto Ballistarii. My pile of shame includes a few Ironstrider kits that I originally planned to make into Dragoons but will now become Ballistarii.

 Techpriest_ wrote:
Any reason why you're running bare bone Vanguard as opposed to double 5 man squads with 2x Plasma each? The points in 9th for a Plasma Vanguard didn't change from 8th, which definitely makes them more appealing. Especially when you consider a boat can hold four of the special weapons.

The Hoplites are definitely awesome right now, same with the Dakkas and Auto Ballistarii. My pile of shame includes a few Ironstrider kits that I originally planned to make into Dragoons but will now become Ballistarii.

Their only purpose is to capture the objective. Maybe assist the Hoplites in fighting. I am not really investing in expendable objective holders. I would rather put those points into my firebase, which is going to be parked next to a bunch of auras. (If I wanted to do Plasma Vanguard, I would run nothing but Plasma Vanguard just about.)

Well, you lucked out then. I magnetized mine from the start, so I escaped Dragoonpocalypse.

EDIT: Random question, but does Shroudpsalm now grant Light Cover, Heavy Cover, or both?

Light Cover only.

Found in "Rare Rules" appendix.

Thanks! I have been looking everywhere.

 Suzuteo wrote:

 Techpriest_ wrote:
Any reason why you're running bare bone Vanguard as opposed to double 5 man squads with 2x Plasma each? The points in 9th for a Plasma Vanguard didn't change from 8th, which definitely makes them more appealing. Especially when you consider a boat can hold four of the special weapons.

The Hoplites are definitely awesome right now, same with the Dakkas and Auto Ballistarii. My pile of shame includes a few Ironstrider kits that I originally planned to make into Dragoons but will now become Ballistarii.

Their only purpose is to capture the objective. Maybe assist the Hoplites in fighting. I am not really investing in expendable objective holders. I would rather put those points into my firebase, which is going to be parked next to a bunch of auras. (If I wanted to do Plasma Vanguard, I would run nothing but Plasma Vanguard just about.)

Well, you lucked out then. I magnetized mine from the start, so I escaped Dragoonpocalypse.

EDIT: Random question, but does Shroudpsalm now grant Light Cover, Heavy Cover, or both?

Fair enough. I guess I was too into the mindset of driving them up to an enemy unit, hopping out, and hoping to blast whatever it is I'm shooting off of the board. They make fine objective holders as well though. Are you running them in squads of 5 with multiple in a boat?

I'm rather sad about the Dragoon changes, and Dunerider changes, I was really hoping to run a more melee Admech with Dragoons and heavy Fulgurites, but that's not all that possible now.

Yeah dragoons feel like they got mega-slapped with the nerfbat. Price hyked, -2 in shooting doesnt stack unless its negating a +1 somewhere, and exploding6s on natural rolls now.
They arent super resilient, they arent super killy anymore, and theyre quite pricy. I dont see any way to use them now, even ruststalkers feel better lol (just from sheer MW chance alone)

On the plus side they were the most breakable unit i own and not having to transport it anymore is definitely a bonus. Ive list track of the number of lances ive glued back on

Own any pterraxi? trust me they take the crown on fragile buggers. I am terrified of sticking them in foam trays as their pokey wings might dig into the foam and get ripped off as i pull them out without noticing it happened.
Honestly have no idea how to transport them except just a magnetic sheet.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Own any pterraxi? trust me they take the crown on fragile buggers. I am terrified of sticking them in foam trays as their pokey wings might dig into the foam and get ripped off as i pull them out without noticing it happened.
Honestly have no idea how to transport them except just a magnetic sheet.

Magnetic sheet is my answer to all my transport woes lol. If its anything other than standard or blocky infantry it's getting a magnet and standing on a magnetic sheet for transport. means I can use the extremely compact cases for just regular infantry and only the awkward or bulky stuff goes on the sheet. So All of my skorpius, ironstriders and onagers go on it. When I eventually get some Pteraxii they'll go on it too. Everything else is pretty standard for foam trays.

Yeah, I have no idea how I'd transport the pteraxii if I didn't have a magnetised case. Although to be honest, I'm not sure how the foam business is still around considering how vastly superior I find magnets to be. I think I've managed to switch over every single player I play with regularly and now all of them swear by it.

i just wish i knew where i could find cheap ferrous sheets to do such a storage thing with.
Metal toolboxes are great for your active list but not for storing the models until you need them lol. They aint cheap to buy in quantities that high to encase your entire army.

I'd argue you don't need to make the entire thing out of metal, mine is more like an oven with a bunch of metal trays, that I can swap around in position. Depending on your level of handiness (and access to tools) that's something you can make yourself. Otherwise I've seen people buy from Armybox and their solution looks similar to mine for not a too crazy price IIRC.

Oh i definitely wouldnt want it to be full metal, i'd probably just stuff them into the Battlebox cardboard boxes with pillars bolted on so they stack neatly.
A full metal, full army storage...i dont feel like having a 200lb box on wheels lol.

Realistically i should be looking into this more as i actually cannot store my orks right now, too many large irregular bodies for foam and simply just way too many in the first place lol. Another advantage of metal sheets vs foam is less wasted space between the models...right now my orks take up 2 6'6" tall shelves lol. Moving to my new house was...interesting with that fact...

If you're just looking for cheap metal trays then I had a buddy who hit up some rinky-dink shop that had a sale on old metal posters and he got them for like a dollar or two each (they were A4 sized) so he bought a bunch of those. Might be worth looking into?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Oh i definitely wouldnt want it to be full metal, i'd probably just stuff them into the Battlebox cardboard boxes with pillars bolted on so they stack neatly.
A full metal, full army storage...i dont feel like having a 200lb box on wheels lol.

Realistically i should be looking into this more as i actually cannot store my orks right now, too many large irregular bodies for foam and simply just way too many in the first place lol. Another advantage of metal sheets vs foam is less wasted space between the models...right now my orks take up 2 6'6" tall shelves lol. Moving to my new house was...interesting with that fact...

I got my metal sheets from eBay from a regional metalworking company for pretty cheap, like £8-12 per cut-to-order sheet or so I think it was. Then I just got a few under-bed storage boxes turned them upside down and stuck the sheet metal to the underside of the lid using some heavy-duty 3M double-sided sticky pads.

The biggest issue I have is the magnets coming loose from the models themselves when I try and take them off the sheet lol

If your magnets are coming loose then the magnets are too strong unfortunately. Just get weaker ones and add more of them if necessary. In my experience you need a lot less adhesive force than you'd expect. 4x2mm neodymium are what I use, if one isn't enough just add another one until there's enough force.

I use jewelry trays with cut sheet metal inserts that I glued in with epoxy. Then I got a nice aluminum wheeled jewelry carry case from the same site as the jewelry trays.

I found a site online that would cut the stainless steel to custom measurements, so no tools required.

I also learned the hard way to get the thinnest metal sheets available; my first ones are much heavier than they needed to be.

Another solution could just be to put magnets in a tray. Just make sure the polarity is correct. Then it's no different than how you hold parts on a mini with magnets.

 Techpriest_ wrote:
Fair enough. I guess I was too into the mindset of driving them up to an enemy unit, hopping out, and hoping to blast whatever it is I'm shooting off of the board. They make fine objective holders as well though. Are you running them in squads of 5 with multiple in a boat?

I'm rather sad about the Dragoon changes, and Dunerider changes, I was really hoping to run a more melee Admech with Dragoons and heavy Fulgurites, but that's not all that possible now.

That strategy works still. You just need to be aggressive and in their face. My thinking is more defensive. Get to the objective, circle the Boats, limit your opponent's options.

Fulgurites might actually be worth it still. They are maybe 1-2 ppm overpriced, but not bad. They just have to compete with Hoplites, which is tough because they are an amazing 10 ppm. Melee is actually quite important in 9E though.

But yeah, Dragoons got shot, buried alive, exhumed, shot again, and then burned alive. I actually think ranged Dragoons might be better than melee Dragoons now. Lol.

U02dah4 wrote:
On the plus side they were the most breakable unit i own and not having to transport it anymore is definitely a bonus. Ive list track of the number of lances ive glued back on

It's that antenna on the top that breaks most often for me. My lances are magnetized, so they pop off instead of snapping.

Concerning transportation, I drilled some holes in a Hefty box lid, glued some PVC spacers in, then attached some cookie trays to them:



All of my minis are based on MDF bases with a magnet inside of them. It holds better than directly attaching the magnet to plastic, which regularly snaps off.

Also, this is very cheap. The boxes cost me $8 on discount from Walmart; the cookie trays were $2.50 (need two); the fittings were $4. So $17 per box, which stores over 2000 points in the new edition.

I roughen the base a bit, do little crosses with a knife to have more area for the glue

Hey Suzuteo, do you mind taking a picture of the models packed up for transport? I'm really interested, but I'm having a hard time picturing the whole thing put together.

@DarkHound



Basically, I carry them around like this. The models are rightside up, but the container is upside down.

To describe the layers from top to bottom:

Hefty container
Bolt tip and nut
Cookie sheet
Bolt head
Hefy lid

There are also PVC spacers to help offset the cookie sheet from the lid. This helps keep things stable because the lid can flex, but the sheets cannot. I would not want the screws to wear the holes in the lid.

Thank you, I'm going to steal a lot of that idea. Probably with more, smaller containers so I can fit them into a bag or backpack.

Only advice is to make sure your cookie sheets have sufficient iron in them. Use an N32 with some small weights and see how much it can hold. In my case, all of my vehicles use N52s, but my infantry can get away with N32s.

 Suzuteo wrote:
@DarkHound



Basically, I carry them around like this. The models are rightside up, but the container is upside down.

To describe the layers from top to bottom:

Hefty container
Bolt tip and nut
Cookie sheet
Bolt head
Hefy lid

There are also PVC spacers to help offset the cookie sheet from the lid. This helps keep things stable because the lid can flex, but the sheets cannot. I would not want the screws to wear the holes in the lid.

This is exactly how mine look as well lol. Though I'm tempted to put my infantry in foam just because it saves me having to glue tiny magnets to a gazillion bases lol

Ot you can go fancy like I did and built that gak yourself

Custom cut metal sheets from the craft store
Custom cut plywood from the same craft store to give some stability
Furniture feet and a box from the same store
apply primer, laquer, decals
Drill a few holes for the handles (guess where they were from )

Stick magnets in the bases and you're done.
Since the entire thing is higher than the box I framed the topmost one to prevent sliding off, though with the size of the thing I dont think I''ll have to use it anytime soon.

Wondering if the custom Forge World with the 6+ FNP for Vehicles as primary and the secondary that gives rerolls to hit at half range for Cognis guns might be cool in Ironstriders-heavy lists. I mean if you use 2 or 3 units and can't be close to Cawl all the time it gives them more accuracy, and synergises well with the trait to have +1 AP at half-range.

I'm thinking about these as I have a small friendly 12 players tournament next month (at 1000 pts) and I hesitate between two ideas. First one is 6x5 Vanguards with AP-1 carbines, supported by 4 Autocannons, 3 Sulphurhounds and 2 Fistelans. Second is not written yet but I'm thinking 4 Autocannons, 2 Lascannons and maybe 2 Kastelans with Fists or HPB but with less infantry then, all with the 6+ FNP for Vehicles and the Cognis reroll at half range. Both lists would have the Artisan Warlord trait for the AP and occasional retreat + shoot.

I've run the numbers for Vanguards with AP-1 and AP-2 at 9" against MEQ and the numbers are quite nice for the point cost. AP-1, reroll 1s to Hit gives 2,91w and AP-2, reroll 1s to Hit gives 3,88w. I'm counting rerolls because I plan on having the Dominus coming with them.

I'd like to run a thematic and fun list without too much cheese but that still packs a punch and toying with the custom dogmas looks fun so far.

I don’t know, every time I look at the custom Forge World stuff I feel like you give up too much (Forge World canticles, Forge World stratagems, etc...) for them to be attractive. I’d rather have the +1 str canticle from Mars on multiple groups of Ironstriders, especially if you’re using the -1 AP at half range aura.

If you try out the custom forge worlds stuff let us know how well it works for you. I WANT it to be a decent option, but I’m not convinced it actually IS one.