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Afaik, it seems Incubi/Wracks, the Terminator Librarian, and the Jump Pack Chaplain seem to miscast the msot often, while the Cockatrice seems to be fairly perfectly cast most of the time.

Has anyone else noticed any models that tend to usually be bad/good based on people's reviews on here?

darkPrince010 wrote:Afaik, it seems Incubi/Wracks, the Terminator Librarian, and the Jump Pack Chaplain seem to miscast the msot often, while the Cockatrice seems to be fairly perfectly cast most of the time.

Has anyone else noticed any models that tend to usually be bad/good based on people's reviews on here?

Plague Marines come out perfect every time.

Three finecast models bought so far.

3 faults with each of them, Finecast really isnt worth it

darkPrince010 wrote:Afaik, it seems Incubi/Wracks, the Terminator Librarian, and the Jump Pack Chaplain seem to miscast the msot often, while the Cockatrice seems to be fairly perfectly cast most of the time.

Has anyone else noticed any models that tend to usually be bad/good based on people's reviews on here?

Just picked up a box of Wracks myself and theyve got some problems as well. Not done a full detailed cleaning and inspection, but on first look thru one has extra junk messin up the vision slits on the face, one is missing part of his face, and one either didn't attach his feet to his legs, or it simply snapped off at the ankles at sone point. I can probably clean much of it up, but it makes me unhappy wih my first finecast purchase and I'll be dropping a line to customer service.

Just bought Draigo, Crowe and a Terminator Librarian; to my immense surprise they're close to perfect. One or two air bubbles which too a few minutes to fill. I don't trust this run of good fortune to continue, of course.

English Assassin wrote:Just bought Draigo, Crowe and a Terminator Librarian; to my immense surprise they're close to perfect. One or two air bubbles which too a few minutes to fill. I don't trust this run of good fortune to continue, of course.

Count yourself lucky.

I bought the three of them myself, every single one had a problem with it

gilljoy wrote:Count yourself lucky.

Believe me, I do.

Indeed I remain confident that Citadel are merely lulling me into a false sense of security in order to persuade me to buy Karamazov.

Here is my Failcast experience.

Lord Kaldor Draigo - Miscast, Bubbles

Kurt Helborg - One massive bubble on the top of his head, Horse was misaligned.

Terminator Librarian - Fail Cast to the max. Riddled with holes.

Castellion Crowe - Bubbles and crazy flare

Finecast experience

Cocatrice was perfect not 1 flaw
Azhag the Slaughterer I purchased for a buddy. It was flawless (I believe it was a second run model as they were out of stock and sent it after a two week wait)

overall I have been disappointed.

I have a finecast Yarrick and had no problems with him, very pleased with it in fact.

Bought 1 resin model so far, BT Emp Champ. Just a tiny bubble on the place where the back pack and marine join.

Aduro wrote:

darkPrince010 wrote:Afaik, it seems Incubi/Wracks, the Terminator Librarian, and the Jump Pack Chaplain seem to miscast the msot often, while the Cockatrice seems to be fairly perfectly cast most of the time.

Has anyone else noticed any models that tend to usually be bad/good based on people's reviews on here?

Just picked up a box of Wracks myself and theyve got some problems as well. Not done a full detailed cleaning and inspection, but on first look thru one has extra junk messin up the vision slits on the face, one is missing part of his face, and one either didn't attach his feet to his legs, or it simply snapped off at the ankles at sone point. I can probably clean much of it up, but it makes me unhappy wih my first finecast purchase and I'll be dropping a line to customer service.

Finished cleaning these, glued arms on, still need to fill in all the bubbles with green stuff, but I found another new flaw. A super thin piece of flash or plastic or something almost clear apparently got into one of the molds as the top third of one guys front was not attached to his back and this flash was between the two parts. Oh, and the agonizer is really bad and not usable.

Marthike wrote:4 boxes is 20 so your saying it's a 50% success rate, either your friend is very picky or there is a serious fault in the molds

I can understand if it's 2-3 but 10 miscast is just exagerating a bit. I would actully love to see those models.

Is his friend not meant to expect a flawless product after spending £46 on 10 models? Especially when the models have been "upgraded" from a more expensive material to a cheaper one and for some reason had their price increased. A company that claims to be the porsche of the minatures world shouldn't send out a model even a minute defect! If I bought a new 911 that had a couple of tiny holes in the windscreen I'd go bezerk.

I got another Haemonculus on Saturday, After checking through the 3 in the store I found 1 that was usable. There are 1 or 2 bubbles on his jacket, but nothing unfixable.

Well, my zoanthrope was covered in flash, and practically fell off the sprue, as for my commander dante, he wasn't a problem, just had to shave the flash off. I'm not happy with the pricing for composite resin models, if I wanted composite resin, I would buy forgeworld

Gorechild wrote:

Marthike wrote:4 boxes is 20 so your saying it's a 50% success rate, either your friend is very picky or there is a serious fault in the molds

I can understand if it's 2-3 but 10 miscast is just exagerating a bit. I would actully love to see those models.

Is his friend not meant to expect a flawless product after spending £46 on 10 models? Especially when the models have been "upgraded" from a more expensive material to a cheaper one and for some reason had their price increased. A company that claims to be the porsche of the minatures world shouldn't send out a model even a minute defect! If I bought a new 911 that had a couple of tiny holes in the windscreen I'd go bezerk.

Miscasts happened with metal. People returned them and got refunds or replacements. People didn't go crazy posting them on the internet because GW didn't have the while hype train thing going on quality, nor did any other company.

I've had some terrible experiences with metals. The old metal Venerable dread? Yeah, thanks for the 2cm thick pipe into the shoulder pad. I didn't have a dremel so I never had the chance to fix that feth up. Even recently, with a non-GW model - Avatars of War (gasp!). Vampire countess with the crowned head totally misaligned, with the face almost 1mm off from the back of the head. Luckily it's not the head I was going to use.

People had the right to expect a flawless product back then it was metal, and got miscasts. People still have a right to expect a flawless model, and will get miscasts. I agree, finecast seems to have a larger percentage of them, but this gak was happening before finecast. And still happens, to anyone using this kind of mold. And even with tight QA, it slips out.

Im making a SM company of all finecast sternguard, vanguard and FW MK5 armor marines. So far the finecast models have been brilliant with 1 problem.

It's not so much a miscast but one of the combi-meltas was not included which I had GW ship me. Seriously, if something is miscast just call them to get a free model. Whats the issue?

Im no blind lover of GW but I havent had a single problem with finecast and quite frankly I would have NEVER started this army if these models were still in metal. I love how easy finecast is to convert

I prefer plastic for conversions, and would probably prefer metal as well over finecast. It's just Too soft I think. Had several of the fiddly bitz on the Wracks break without much effort. Much weaker material than plastic a d I personally don't like it. I've never gotten a metal or plastic kit that was in as bad a shape as these Wracks. Given it was in our first shipment of them, I'm hoping it's due to that early rush production and the replacements are much better. Fingers crossed.

I think I rather eat the metal models than attempt to convert metal sternguard the way Im doing them (Expensive dinner!@). The softness of the finecast is awesome for my purposes

I understand what you're saying but imo saying you rather convert METAL is hard to believe heh

Wonky swords and weapons is also an issue.

Crowe had a curvy sword lol

gilljoy wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Just bought Draigo, Crowe and a Terminator Librarian; to my immense surprise they're close to perfect. One or two air bubbles which too a few minutes to fill. I don't trust this run of good fortune to continue, of course.

Count yourself lucky.

I bought the three of them myself, every single one had a problem with it

Sad times when people count themselves lucky to receive only slightly jacked up miniatures for extreme prices. "Excuse me, sir, yes thank you for raising the price of this car. As it only has two puncture holes in the fender that can be filled in by anyone decent with a TIG welder I consider myself very lucky and thank you for selling me this clearly superior product."

Is there a poll for this? "Have you personally experienced problems with finecast? Yes / no?" would give us a good idea of the actual numbers that have.

I bought a haemy at the weekend, and some wracks. Wracks were fine but the Haemys base was... well, there was only half of it. Not a problem though, it was the back half and this can be covered up.

I received a Konrad von Carstein today, as part of a trade with RiTides. He had to go through two of them to get a "perfect" cast, and this one truly is aside from a bend in the sword.

Everything fits nicely, and this is what Finecast promises to be.

I've bought 2 so far:

Jump Chaplain: Slight bubbling on feet, but nothing impactful

SAG: Perfect, no imperfections at all.

From my (admittedly limited) experience, I've had no issues with it, and its vastly preferable to work with than metal.

Cockatrice flaw count

Wing holes don't fit the supplied wings, end of tail missing, bubbles in the wing snapped the feather tips as soon as I glued em on.
I'll be taking the whole thing back and asking for a cash refund, not a store credit. Not even going to bother with the new finecast thirster that I *wanted* initially.

Bought a Dante and a pack of Sternguards online (reseller) and Dantes backpack was misalligned and a bit messy though nothing major.

The Sternguards on the other hand, the one thats pointing is completely missing his hand.

Phoned up customer service (UK) and they said they have to be returned to their freepost address and it will be replaced in 7-10 working days which is rubbish considering this is their problem.

Going to try and return them to the GW store up town when I go up, not sure if they will accept if as its ordered online, dont see why they wouldnt as its not like its not their product.

But we shall see.

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Well I went up today, its only a small store 1 worker. And she basically said theres nothing she can do, I just shouldnt buy from other shops other than GW direct.

So basically GW shops wont support their own products if bought from elsewhere.

Instead of any help to replace it, she just basically said buy a marine and cut his hand off and glue it on.

Stunning customer service, complaint email to GW on the way.

Im not a GW apologist by any means, but really Jonp?

Its been stated a number of times that GWs QC checks havent been rigorous enough when they released Finecost, fair enough, its not great (in fact its pretty poor), but we know this already, and its why many people are holding back on purchasing finecost products.

However, if the Sternguard got past GW QC (not difficult admittedly), and then the second sellers QC, its the second sellers fault that you got a flawed model. This is also the reason Weyland stopped selling Finecost models, they couldnt guarantee the quality (well done to Weyland btw).

If you then contacted GW and they said they would replace it (free of charge as well), then whats the problem? (OK, i dont agree with having to do this, but at least they do it). Why are you complaining they are going to replace it? that it will take a week? please.

And your first port of call for replacement should always be where you got it from. For example, if my TV broke, ill take it back to where i bought it, not Sony (i might have to take it to Sony, but the first place you go is where you got it).

And also, of course a GW employee told you to only buy from GW, how is this new?

I bought:

a Big mek with SAG absolutely perfect and worth the minor price increase so I don't have to deal with a stupidly heavy metal model.

A Big mek with KFF again absolutely fine, no need to fix anything and in my opinion my best painted miniature because it's so easy to work with.

I have only seen one problem with finecast worth bothering about and it was spotted by the staff at my GW. so no harm done.

I see no problem with finecast and will definitely be purchasing any new finecast models that I need in my army (come on meganobs and Ogre Kingdoms)
Man up kids...

Revenent Reiko wrote:Im not a GW apologist by any means, but really Jonp?

Its been stated a number of times that GWs QC checks havent been rigorous enough when they released Finecost, fair enough, its not great (in fact its pretty poor), but we know this already, and its why many people are holding back on purchasing finecost products.

However, if the Sternguard got past GW QC (not difficult admittedly), and then the second sellers QC, its the second sellers fault that you got a flawed model. This is also the reason Weyland stopped selling Finecost models, they couldnt guarantee the quality (well done to Weyland btw).

If you then contacted GW and they said they would replace it (free of charge as well), then whats the problem? (OK, i dont agree with having to do this, but at least they do it). Why are you complaining they are going to replace it? that it will take a week? please.

And your first port of call for replacement should always be where you got it from. For example, if my TV broke, ill take it back to where i bought it, not Sony (i might have to take it to Sony, but the first place you go is where you got it).

And also, of course a GW employee told you to only buy from GW, how is this new?

I have no problem that there are faults, thats to be expected. As for the second sellers QC, thats none existant, only specialist shops check them, not your average box shifter companys, nor should they be expected to.

As for whats the problem, I am told on the phone I can return it with a longish lead time, 10 working days is 2 weeks not 1, or return it to one of their stores. I chose to return it to one of their stores so I can use what I purchased. Then getting a snotty 'Well you bought it from someone other than us, why should we do anything' style reply. If thats how GW wish to conduct business then they shouldnt have resellers, and deal solely with their own outlets.

As for where the first port of call should be, thats clearly down to which serves you the customer best. As for the comparison, you can return Sony Electronics to Sony stores purchased from elsewhere, bit like how you can return an Apple product to Apple stores no matter of where you purchased it from. Now considering that its a GW product and I was advised by GW themselves to return it there, is it that hard to believe thats what I expected?

EDIT : Sorry to add I didnt point out that GW HO did say I could return to their stores in my original post.

The Edit is very helpful, and explains a couple of my 'gripes' ()

It depends on the second seller. Yes, obviously specialist sellers are more likely to do QC checks than non-specialists, but tbh i would expect it to be a specialist seller anyway considering the product (and their policy on second sellers).

i definitely didnt read 'working days', my apologies, and yes though this is a long time, its still free.

well my warranty would be with the store i bought it from, so i would go there first. Yes you can take it straight back to the maker, but i have found this often inmcurs costs that i wouldnt have had to pay had i taken it back to the seller (or in this case, had my warranty not expired, and hence i chose to do the same as you and got charged for the pleasure, bloody apple...). However, in light of your edit, fair enough, they should have done a trade, most stores would have.

Yeah, Games Workshop is getting very iffy about anything they didn't personally sell, as I found out to my annoyance - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/384610.page - which is a vast difference over a couple of years ago. I am surprised they're doing it with damaged Finecast stuff though. I'd have thought they'd be replacing those to lessen complaints...

A question - does anyone have any idea what happens to all the Finecast that gets returned to GW? Can it be re-used or is it junk?

Of course, they could always re-box it and see if the next buyer is less picky...

Legally I think you are supposed to return an item to the shop you bought it from and they have to refund or replace. They then take it up with their supplier.

Shops like GW that replace stock bought from other stores are doing it because they are being nice, they aren't legally obliged. When an item is defective you return it to the shop where you bought it, where you have a receipt. I'm not sure what is in it for GW to change their policy.

The only think I can think of, and this is TOTAL speculation, is that there is so many mis-finecasts out there that it's causing problems. This is why they now ask for the damaged item back instead of telling you to keep it like has been normal practice for years. Because otherwise people are being furnished with multiple replacements and all are crap, they are dumped onto eBay and second hand where they are picked up cheap and people are walking into GW stores hoping to get a perfect replacement.

That would account for why GW now don't accept items unless you bought them from *their* store, which presumably means you have to have a receipt, and they want the damaged items back.