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darkPrince010 wrote:

sennacherib wrote:I also wonder ... does GW save cash on shipping finegast because it is so much lighter than a metal mini. If so they are really making more on these than they used to.

I wonder if having all the air bubbles makes them lighter Plus, GW can use the material they should have used to fill in a mold completely to make another 90% filled model (Make 9 miscasts, get one free!)

You forget that you also have to pay a premium for that extra bit of Official Games Workshop Hobby Air.

Just bought a finecast minature, and it was flawed, but nothing I can't fix. My FineCast record is still pretty good, though. The other 5 finecasts products I've bought have been fine. So I still have nothing against finecast.

@biccat: I honestly wonder at what point GW will start to make hollow model, with paperthin Finecost shells filled with Authentic Games Workshop Hobby Air (tm). Seems like they're testing the concept already with Finecast... :/

darkPrince010 wrote:@biccat: I honestly wonder at what point GW will start to make hollow model, with paperthin Finecost shells filled with Authentic Games Workshop Hobby Air (tm). Seems like they're testing the concept already with Finecast... :/

Hehe maybe they'll start filling their stores with hobby air and charging you for breathing in them

But back to topic... I've got a slightly bubbled kff-mek, my brothers got some scorpions and a friend of ours owns some tzeench-flamers and skulltaker. All these were quite okay, we just had some minor problems that were fixable. And I dont really care about small holes in ork-clothes, because it actually make the model look more orky. But as mentioned before, the weight-thing bugs me; Im no longer feeling the weight of metal when I'm moving around important stuff

So far I've bought the Terminator Librarian, and am very happy with it. It assembled very easily, and with use of Green Stuff, I was able to mold a Storm Shield to it's left arm. The piece that glues to the top of the Librarian's armor was easier to piece together (in comparison to it's metal edition) also.

All in all, no complaints. If I buy another Finecast model, I'll be sure to share my experience with it.

finecast count: 5 CSM raptors, 1 HG, one zoanthrope, 2 tyrant guard, one hive tyrant. problems have been extremely minor. my raptors were basically flawless aside from a lot of (easily removable) flash. minor bubbles on the tyrant guard's shoulder/upper arms. the hive tyrant is a much more substatntial model and has the usual problems i've had with the tyranid multiple piece carapaces regardless of medium (i.e. very uneven, needs substantial greenstuff). some minor bubbles on the lashwhip arm and the legs.

only real problems were with my zoanthrope, which had pretty significant bubbling and a big annoying mold line down the middle of the head.

all in all i have had much fewer problems with the finecasts than i have with their corresponding metal versions, i hated and loathed the metal raptors, hiveguard, and zoanthropes.

H.B.M.C. wrote: despite GW telling me that Failcost was the greatest human invention since electricity

I missed that part. Fortunately this is neither true nor funny.

I bought an Emperors Champ and it's spot on. I do like the weight of metal models, but i definitely prefer putting these together, the metal devestators and such do my nut in when i'm trying to put them together.

mattyrm wrote:I missed that part. Fortunately this is neither true nor funny.

Silly me! Must've been my mental condition again, amirite?

Sidstyler wrote: I'm not sure if they even read their e-mail. I imagine it all goes to a junk folder which gets emptied out on a daily basis...X) if someone can prove me wrong please do.

I complained via email, it took them about 3 days to get a reply. They sent a complete new order out and I managed to scrape together enough to make the 10 Wracks that originally ordered out (using 4 boxes in total). The replacement Succubus they sent was miscast in the exact same place as the original, so I sent GW a gakky email and went into my local store. The manager took all the defective models and opened 3 other Succubus blisters for me to find a perfect one. So I've finally got what I ordered, even if I've been through 25 models to get the 11 I wanted

I almost bought a Dark Angels Captain, I say almost because just looking into the package I could see a bubble on one of the legs bad enough that it looked like he'd taken a few bolt rounds in it. Two days later, I found a metal mini of the same thing at another store cheaper.

I also looked at the Lelith Hesperax model, but found so much flash, and bubbles on her face which is very fine and would probably be nigh impossible to fix, that I didn't consider it for more than a couple minutes.

pixelpusher wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah I got a problem:

The Failcost Shokk Attack Gun my friend bought didn't have any more detail than the metal version despite GW telling me that Failcost was the greatest human invention since electricity, is made out of a far cheaper material to the metal one, didn't come with two in the box like Mantic's new models, and yet it cost a lot more than the metal one. Why is that?

Go get a sandectomy instead of de-railing the thread.


Emperors Champion, no defects.
Ghazkull Thraka, one sprue really messed up. Still trying to get my thumb out and go replace it.

the messed up one is it the right arm big shoota?

Because I got the same had to calve out the details with my knife because there is a serious problem with the mold.

Other than that I have:

Calgar kit - perfect not even many mold lines
Dante - mold lines
astorath - perfect little mold lines
libby - perfect with little mold lines
Gahzkull - bit more bubbles and a messed up right arm
crowe - perfect little mold liens
templar champion - perfect
coteaz - perfect
archon - perfect
lilith - looks fine still not built

*NEW* inquisitor karamazov - very good so far no mis cast parts, some bent part but easily fixed, still building i will make a tutorial video showing the parts.


Overall, finecast is not as bad as you think.

Overall, finecast is not as bad as you think.

I'm never very good at making analogies, but isn't that kinda like saying the unemployment rate in America must not be that bad since you have a job? "Things aren't bad for me, so everyone else must be exaggerating!"

Am I the only one seeing a clear trend that UK customers have an overwhelming number of perfect Finecast models compared to all of the gak Failcast being opened in the USA?

Sidstyler wrote:

Overall, finecast is not as bad as you think.

I'm never very good at making analogies, but isn't that kinda like saying the unemployment rate in America must not be that bad since you have a job? "Things aren't bad for me, so everyone else must be exaggerating!"

It's no different to the people that say because they they've never had a decent finecast model the whole range must be terrible. But I would agree that in this case it is better to look at the wider picture rather than form a judgement completely from your own experiences.

Although I have been lucky and bought a rather good batch of finecast models myself, because some of them have had a couple of minor defects (eg, bubbly Shadowseer) I hold some stock in the statements that are made about dreadful finecast casts.

So whereas I don't think Finecast is dreadful, as there have been a fair few statements about higher-quality/non-miscast models, I don't think that at its current state it's amazing either, due to all of the appalling model allegations.

I purchased a single finecast model at my FLGS, a Terminator Librarian. It has a bubble missing from his ass, bolter and the top back of his armor. Unfixable to say the least...Not the worst stuff I've seen, but obnoxious, haven't bothered to get it replaced yet.

ToI wrote:It has a bubble missing from his ass, bolter and the top back of his armor.

See, this would never have happened if he still had...

BUNS OF STEEL/TIN!

In all seriousness, this thread has helped ward me away from getting Finecrap. It seems that while the error rate may not be as high as some claim from their individual experiences, it's definately not the "written by a unicorn who says 97% pass QA" that GW claims it is. I'd guesstimate it at ~50% of models are crap, with models tending to be good (Cockatrice iirc) or bad (Termie Librarian/Succubi/Incubi iirc) more often than not. I'm sorely tempted to start on page 1 and tally the Perfect-Good-Bad-Unusable model ratio, since this might give us a more objective picture.

darkPrince010 wrote: I'm sorely tempted to start on page 1 and tally the Perfect-Good-Bad-Unusable model ratio, since this might give us a more objective picture.

dooooo-eeet...


seriously I would like to see more large scale ratios.

dardPrince010 wrote:I'm sorely tempted to start on page 1 and tally the Perfect-Good-Bad-Unusable model ratio, since this might give us a more objective picture.

Kanluwen wrote:Received my Vlad Von Carstein today.

The overall cast is okay, but he's missing his entire hand and the 'skullblasting' bit for his cloak. Phoned them up and have a new one on the way. Will post photos later.

Also, I forgot to mention it was Batch # 000023

Following up:
I got my replacement Vlad today(8/10) after calling them after receiving my miscast one(8/08).

The hand is intact, the 'skullblasting bit' is not there(I called them about it--they said that they actually have removed the bit from Vlad because it never cast correctly and many people never used it anyways. Interestingly enough, they actually sculpted what looks like a new 'face' on his cloak where it used to connect).

There's bits of flash, but otherwise it's an acceptable cast. Only thing bugging me is that it looks like the spikes on his vambraces(which are huge spikes, mind you) look a bit blunted. No big deal though, as it's an easy fix just snipping them at an angle to form a 'point'.

I bought Crowe.

A few mold lines but they are easy to file down and no worse than the metal models.

His sword was a little bent but I managed to just bend it to the correct position using nothing but my fingers.

His backpack was a complete and utter mess - very misshapen, like a child had drawn it, pinched in the middle and it's lines were quite curved. The small alcove that you use to stick the backpack onto the model had a hole going right through it and out of the front. The standard was bent, a little too much to fix easily - it snapped off. I just used a normal GK backpack for him so that kind of ruins his look but, since I don't generally like the look of banners on backpacks, I'm ok with it.

I recently purchased the terminator captain and breathed a sigh of relief that it's still metal (what does that say?)

@Janthkin: Sorry about that: Here's something on topic:

Since Ouze hasn't posted an update of the chart recently, I just tallied everything up to ColdSadHungry's post, and we have, of ~545 models:
~193 are "Perfect". This means 0 noted flaws, very minor/no mold lines/flash, and no errors that require greenstuffing etc, or the poster claims they are "Perfect."
~146 models are "Good." This means very minor flaws (Small air bubbles), a bit of excess flash, a bent but easily fixed weapon, etc. For the most part with these, the poster notes the flaws, but is still satisfied with the model.
I consider both of the above as "Passing QA"

However, for those of you doing the math at home...

...we have ~206 "Bad" models. This means major errors that require major time to fix/greenstuff, would be unnacceptable to purchase, or basically creates the "Chaos Spawn" model (Whether you want a Chaos Spawn or not...). The poster dislikes the model(s), had to exchange the model, and expressed dislike of the miscast.

Overall, we have a ~37.7% unacceptable error rate. Compare that little number to GW's supposed 96% that pass QA. Even given that most of the people who speak out about this may be dissatisfied and the satisfied customers stay silent, this is still a much larger error range than GW claims. If you filter through and say that excess flash or bent weapons/small bubbles are errors, you get an error rate of ~64.6%.

"Fine"cost indeed...

darkPrince010 wrote:@Janthkin: Sorry about that: Here's something on topic:

Since Ouze hasn't posted an update of the chart recently, I just tallied everything up to ColdSadHungry's post, and we have, of ~545 models:
~193 are "Perfect". This means 0 noted flaws, very minor/no mold lines/flash, and no errors that require greenstuffing etc.
~146 models are "Good." This means very minor flaws (Small air bubbles), a bit of excess flash, a bent but easily fixed weapon, etc.
I consider both of the above as "Passing QA"

However, for those of you doing the math at home...

...we have ~206 "Bad" models. This means major errors that require major time to fix/greenstuff, would be unnacceptable to purchase, or basically creates the "Chaos Spawn" model (Whether you want a Chaos Spawn or not...).

Overall, we have a ~37.7% unacceptable error rate. Compare that little number to GW's supposed 96% that pass QA. Even given that most of the people who speak out about this may be dissatisfied and the satisfied customers stay silent, this is still a much larger error range than GW claims. If you filter through and say that excess flash or bent weapons/small bubbles are errors, you get an error rate of ~64.6%.

There's one problem that you're missing.

Not every single customer who buys a Finecast model posts on a forum online.

Kanluwen wrote:

darkPrince010 wrote:*Snip*
Even given that most of the people who speak out about this may be dissatisfied and the satisfied customers stay silent, this is still a much larger error range than GW claims. */Snip*

There's one problem that you're missing.

Not every single customer who buys a Finecast model posts on a forum online.

I pointed that out already. Still, even if we have half the number of "Bad" casts this forum indicates, we're still at more than a 1 in 10 model fail rate, which imo is pretty lousy for getting abox of 10 guys. Heck, the number could be larger than 37% because people who are dissatsified may not post on a forum. The arguement goes both ways

oni wrote:Am I the only one seeing a clear trend that UK customers have an overwhelming number of perfect Finecast models compared to all of the gak Failcast being opened in the USA?

It would seem so. But since all finecast are being made in the UK one would see the later (one assumes better) batches arriving in UK based retailers first.

My friend had to use 4 boxes to get a 10 man unit of Incubi. Another guy at our LGS bought a chaplain that came without his arm or jump pack.
For my own part, I have refused to buy so much as a single finecast mini due to two reasons, and these are mostly principle:
1) The material is cheap
2) Finecast costs more than the "expensive" material they wanted to replace.

deathholydeath wrote:My friend had to use 4 boxes to get a 10 man unit of Incubi. Another guy at our LGS bought a chaplain that came without his arm or jump pack.
For my own part, I have refused to buy so much as a single finecast mini due to two reasons, and these are mostly principle:
1) The material is cheap
2) Finecast costs more than the "expensive" material they wanted to replace.

bits missing is not finecast fault it's just packaging things drop off

4 boxes is 20 so your saying it's a 50% success rate, either your friend is very picky or there is a serious fault in the molds

I can understand if it's 2-3 but 10 miscast is just exagerating a bit. I would actully love to see those models.

Varghulf - Simply amazing.
No issues with it.

Blood knights - had to return the 1st box, then the return box again.
3rd box was fine, but the 2 before had serious issues with bubbling on hands, faces and other small detailed areas.
For a small character model i wouldnt be bothered as its usually a quick fix.
But 5/5 with issues, twice and £61.50 a box? i want most of them to be problem free.



So far it seems to be areas of detail that are a real issue.
Other than that im happy though as i prefer resin to both plastic and metal.

Marthike wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:My friend had to use 4 boxes to get a 10 man unit of Incubi. Another guy at our LGS bought a chaplain that came without his arm or jump pack.
For my own part, I have refused to buy so much as a single finecast mini due to two reasons, and these are mostly principle:
1) The material is cheap
2) Finecast costs more than the "expensive" material they wanted to replace.

bits missing is not finecast fault it's just packaging things drop off

4 boxes is 20 so your saying it's a 50% success rate, either your friend is very picky or there is a serious fault in the molds

I can understand if it's 2-3 but 10 miscast is just exagerating a bit. I would actully love to see those models.

I'm not sure whether it was molding or packaging. I just know he had to get GW to replace one box and then replace the replacement box, lol. I will give GW credit for that though, they generally have good customer support.

Bought a broodlord that had really messed up hands and chest swapped it slightly better still not great for £15.50
then bought the zoanthrope found one that looked pretty good on opening one side of brain was completely missing detail got another one and from a front on view looked like one half of the head was stuck on lower than the other side, the final swap still had issues but i must admit the detailing in parts is amazing , i think finecast is hit and miss (more miss)

I bought one termie librarian, several bubbles throughout, a fair amount of gs work was needed to fix it up ( I bet GW makes a killing on green stuff now that finecast is out )

I would have returned it if the nearest store was not in another province!

Personally when I order a product, I expect next to no flaws, especially since I have very high expecations from GW (all my metal models were Perfect, I expect finecast to be better in every aspect)