Genestealer Game 4: 40k Leagues Under the Sea

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**Lord-Loss**

Shas was my number two suspicous and I wanted to give him a chance to clear his name. I doubt he will provide an explanation for his behaviour. I'll vote now, but as a pressure vote. Not sure about lynching him yet.

Vote: Shas'o

**the_ferrett**

3 Things I found interesting about that above long post:

1- While he did pester not_u, Shas has only ever voted for Drk_O. That is if Fifty got all of Shas's posts. If so, Thorr might have a fan

2. Fifty never loses sight of the fact that he sees Shas as innocent, that in itself is more syntaxly curious than scummy curious, but is something to consider as most posters at least doubt the guilt of their target when going through every single post made by them

3. For what amounts to a very righteous post, he does have a point.

**Fifty**

1. I am almost certain I got all of his posts. I went back through his list of posts in his profile.

2. Do you mean "never lose sight of the fact I see him is guilty"? I am not 100% sure he is guilty, but I am a lot more than Fifty/Fifty. (See what I did there?

) I am willing for him to convince me he is innocent, I just can't see it happening. Right now, he is someone we can afford to lose if I am wrong, because as a townie, he adds nothing other than a warm body. There would be no reason for 'stealers to consider targetting him, because there is no way he would find them. If Thor, for example, is pro-town, then eventually we can expect him to find some 'stealers. I really do get the vibe that he is "acting n00b" though, as a strategy rather than a fact.

3. I don't think I have a cast-iron case, but I think the case for Shas is stronger than for anyone else at the moment.

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

If Shas'o does post something, anything that makes sense tomorrow, I shall unvote him. As I will vote for him in a sec because he is...

a)voting without visible reason

b)posting without saying anything useful (opinions and such)

As Fiddy pointed out last page you voted for me for the reasons that I'm going voting for you now. So I shall put it into words I'm sure you can understand

hmm, by the looks of things, everyone seems to be going to lynch Shas'o personally i woulud vote for him because he hardily tries to contribute to the disscussion at all, and because he hardily ever posts anyway. but i only wish for him to explain himself, nothing more.

Vote:Shas'o

but on one condision, that my vote doesn't lead to his lynching.

**Gornall**

Current Vote Count:

0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
0- Fifty
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, ShasO)
3- Shas O'vera........(Fifty, Lord Loss, DarkO)
0- Ferret

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.

**the_ferrett**

OOC: *Looks at my post.* Wow I was comprehensive for 3am ><

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

Ferrett, I don't see your 3am post.

**the_ferrett**

"3 Things I found interesting about that above long post: " Was written earlier than it was submitted. I was in and outa conciousness

.

**Fifty**

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:but on one condision, that my vote doesn't lead to his lynching.

lol

**Lord-Loss**

I'd be content with a Shas lynch, I'd rather wait and see what happens with the Dread suspicon.

**Fifty**

Is this the Dread/Dark_O link?

**Lord-Loss**

Yeh, I don't think one piece of evidence is enough, I want some more suspicous behaviour before I consider a dread lynch.

**Thor665**

We need to hear more from Arheiner, shas'o, BishopGore, and Brother Stynier.

A good starting point for all of you would be weighing in on the Drk_O, shas'o, and DDRE suspicions.

It also feels like ferret is slipping out of focus - but I'll admit this is happening for me as well. I think the Drk_O/DDRE connection is one of the most valid and functional connections we have at the moment. Also, ferret isn't being very helpful, but sadly enough he's more helpful then either Arheiner or shas which does put him below them on my scumdar at this particular point.

I see the case on shas now, but I'm not sure why it seems more popular then the case on Arhenier (except maybe insomuch as DDRE is starting the Arheiner case and I see a high likelihood he is scummy - but lots of the pro shas wagon players don't seem to share this belief). Both of them need to start participating if they're pro-town roles as otherwise they are hurting us with their silence.

**shas'o vera**

Thor665 wrote:We need to hear more from Arheiner, shas'o, BishopGore, and Brother Stynier.

A good starting point for all of you would be weighing in on the Drk_O, shas'o, and DDRE suspicions.

It also feels like ferret is slipping out of focus - but I'll admit this is happening for me as well. I think the Drk_O/DDRE connection is one of the most valid and functional connections we have at the moment. Also, ferret isn't being very helpful, but sadly enough he's more helpful then either Arheiner or shas which does put him below them on my scumdar at this particular point.

I see the case on shas now, but I'm not sure why it seems more popular then the case on Arhenier (except maybe insomuch as DDRE is starting the Arheiner case and I see a high likelihood he is scummy - but lots of the pro shas wagon players don't seem to share this belief). Both of them need to start participating if they're pro-town roles as otherwise they are hurting us with their silence.

as far as i can tell, you seem to be leading all the others just to try and take suspition off yourself, do you have an explaination for this?

**Fifty**

POST MORE WORDS!!!

Single sentences without any actual evidence for why Thor is suspicious is not enough.

He is taking a prominent role, yes, and time may show him to be a 'stealer, but he is not leading us, as hardly anyone is voting how he wants them to.

His explanation for taking a leading/prominent role is that he is trying to encourage other people to think for themselves and to actually put work into uncovering the 'stealers.

Please tell us what he has done that is scummy other than try to encourage people to find genestealers, which does not seem all that scummy to me. It may well be there, but someone will need to point it out.

**Lord-Loss**

Thor hasn't in my opinion, done anything suspicous.

Whilst you Shas have bandwagoned, admited that it's bandwagoned then done it. Voted without an explanation, called people suspicous for using logic.

How do you think that sounds compared to Thor?

**BishopGore**

Fifty makes a very good point that Shas'O is a doofus. He's horribly all over the place and not hugely interested in the game.

I'm really undecided on Drk_O, with this seeming connection to DDRE which doesn't seem to stem at all from DDRE himself, but from Drk_O making a weirdly suspicious comment and then not qualifying it at all.

Ferrett remains suspicious to me, he's started to get a bit more involved, but is still avoiding making any firm commitments in any direction.

That being said, putting further pressure on Drk_O has to be a priority for us, we need to understand more of what may be going on and I think Drk_O may be the key role.

Vote: Drk_O

**the_ferrett**

Shas. Thorr already responded to this question a couple of pages back when I asked it. He said that although he's like not to have to, the silence of people forced him to try to keep the momentum going. That you've asked this question when its already been asked twitches my brain a little.

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

BishopGore wrote:I'm really undecided on Drk_O, with this seeming connection to DDRE which doesn't seem to stem at all from DDRE himself, but from Drk_O making a weirdly suspicious comment and then not qualifying it at all.

That being said, putting further pressure on Drk_O has to be a priority for us, we need to understand more of what may be going on and I think Drk_O may be the key role.

Vote: Drk_O

I'm pretty sure I did.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:With Deff Dread, I think I may have read too much into n0t_u's "Gah, you fools" post. In the scrambled part, there was "ead" amongst it, and figured it meant DDRE. While I know posting useful info in such a post is against the rules, I don't think it'd matter much because he was dead anyway.

It might not be a really good reason, but it's the right answer.

**Fifty**

Well, Dark_O is at least explaining himself. Although, the last game he did a good job of trying to explain himself only after we already knew he was a 'stealer, so that doesn't rule it out this time...

**Deff Dread red Edition**

I don't see much of a link in all honesty, Drk_O thinks I'm innocent, yet I still hold him in suspicion. Yesterdays comments where I affirmed he was indeed at least in my mind 100% scum, are starting to get less sure. He seems like he is trying to contribute and help. However as Fifty has pointed out, he did indeed do a good job of explaining himself last game, as well as being rational and clear when he wanted to be. So this bout of seeming rationality and helpfulness on his part might all be a clever stealer ploy.

Moving along, I think that I am ready to say Vote:Arheiner. He again posted in another game, and yet ignored this one. While the post was a short one, it shows to me that he is either disinterested in this game(having divided attentions might be the cause, yet Lord Loss is to engaged in another game yet he frequently posts here) or perhaps he is trying to skirt around this game, passing just under the radar. I feel he is, as stated before,"King of the lurkers," his remarks always add little and he never speaks much. My first thought was to vote for Shas, however he seems at least as if he is trying to post, plus putting him two away from a lynch wouldn't be overly wise(IMHO)when we still have some discussion going.

Edited to fix spelling errors.

**Thor665**

shas'o vera wrote:as far as i can tell, you seem to be leading all the others just to try and take suspition off yourself, do you have an explaination for this?

Personally I don't think there has been much suspicion of me. If you'd like to keep me in the spotlight of discussion then vote for me and say why you see me as suspicious and we can discuss it. I can only shift suspicion away from myself i nobody is talking about how suspicious I am. If you're town I'd rather have you voting me and being active then doing whatever it is you think you're doing.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:I don't see much of a link in all honesty, Drk_O thinks I'm innocent, yet I still hold him in suspicion.

I'll re-state the case again.

You announce Drk_O as very suspicious to you, but say you want to keep him alive longer (translation; he's my stealer buddy, I know he looks guilty, but let's focus on lynching some other people first, m'kay?)
Drk_O, when questioned about you, announces you are 100% town in his eyes, and uses n0t_u's death post as his only evidence for this belief - meanwhile he also lists off some other townish players like Fifty and LL and declares them as maybe suspicious because they look so townish.

Both of you are being *very* odd in how you talk about the other. That's why I want to lynch one of you. I personally think Drk_O has looked more scummy other then this so he's my preference of the pair since I have only seen DDRE act odd when talking about Drk_O.

**Fifty**

Thor makes a good point, but I need to either look back through Dark_O and DDRE's posts myself, or hope that someone will do the job for me...

((ooc, as a warning, I have the four busiest days of my working year coming up from tomorrow, followed by a big Friday night out. I should still be able to post once a day or so, but I would be grateful if people could cut me a little slack if I fail to post much until the weekend. I am warning in advance incase something happens to make my quietness look suspicious.))

edited to correct botched italics within seconds of posting.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

Well I can see your point, however I do think that paraphrasing as such makes it sound a little more suspicion then it was. Now, I will not dispute that my actions on that night were strange, I explained it by saying that I was tired and rectified my statement saying that I did believe him scum, yet would like to confirm it through more conversation. Stating that I thought he was scum and would like to keep him around, sounded less scummy in my head. To my logic at the time, keeping him about while trying to find his partner seemed a fair idea. In hind sight, keeping around scum is not a good idea, and I see that now. However, I now have another prime suspect and am less suspicious of Drk_O.

I just can't seem to spell tonight, edited to fix a spelling mistake.

**Lord-Loss**

I was lynched on the other game Dread.

Harder being scum then I expected.

(Not talking about this game before I get jumped on

)

I'm getting more suspicous of Arheiner and his lack of posting. I've seen him talk in the other current game and this thread hasn't been on page two since it started.

**Arheiner**

Actually it was on page 1 at the start. I'll see what I can do for posting tonight, tomorrow is my Birthday and i'm gaming then anyway so not much of a chance then.

As for the Links between DDRE/Drk_O and me being scummy, then expalain to me why DDRE would put pressure on me and try to clear Drk_O. I can understand people being suspicous of me but doesn't that mean 1 side or the other has to be innocent, or both sides if they are pro-town

**Thor665**

I do not see a link between Drk_O, DDRE and you, nor have I said as such. I see a link with DDRE and Drk_O.

DDRE suspects you for ducking this thread whilst posting in the other Genestealer thread, I actually agree with his suspicions, but am somewhat reserved in that regard because I have suspicions of him.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Frankly right now I still want to see Drk_O or Ferret removed, Shas is up there as someone that needs to go and I'm still having a wary feeling towards Thor but its just a feeling.

**shas'o vera**

but maybe Arheiner just doesn't have the time to post in both threads? maybe he has set his priorities and has chosen this game second to the other one? couldn't that be the case?

**the_ferrett**

Stinner, what makes my guilt anymore?
Arheiner - If DDRE is guilty due to defending Drk_O, what does that make Shas when he's defending you? Aren't the two synonymous?