Genestealer Game 4: 40k Leagues Under the Sea

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**Arheiner**

I find that suspicious too, though he came out with it at the moment I start to post in here, so I find that defence a little pointless.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

The link I think, stems from Drk_O rather than myself. I did indeed make a rather silly claim earlier yesterday, stating that I thought him scum and would like to keep him around and find his partner. Which I know see is a horrible idea, yet I must say that my need to keep him around was based on the fact that I wasn't 100%. I still find Drk highly suspicious, and most of the link now seems to stem from him.

As for Shas's question, I find the excuse that he has more vested in another game to be a silly one. Drk is running that game, yet he still posts in this one regularly. Arheiner having his priorities elsewhere is a large part of my argument, this disinterest in the game can only hinder us and even when he posts, nothing much is ever add by him.

**Fifty**

I don't think Shas is defending Arheiner specifically, so much as being generally against lynching anyone at all.

Wrt to DDRE's post just above mine...

Maybe Arheiner is scum in that game, and therefore finds it more interesting, whilst he is a regular cit in this one, so is bored by it? Personally I find being a regular powerless cit more interesting, as it is a more challenging role in many ways, due to having less personal influence and having to work with others, but I suspect many people prefer to be scum so that they can be "cool and different".

The other logic is that he does not need to post here, as he already knows who the 'stealers are (ie him) whereas he is posting a lot in the other game as he is scum-hunting...

I'd like to hear people's opinions on both possibilities.

**Thor665**

Really, until we have a flip in either game it's difficult to guess at. I do consider Arheiner's activity level in this game less then his activity level in another game wherein he was town - which makes him more suspicious to me.

Clearly everyone in the other game should lynch him so we have a better value call to assess him at for this game.

@shas - how would you feel about lynching arheiner today?

@Arheiner - how would you feel about lynching shas?

**shas'o vera**

well, i may just sound like some of the other players that have commented on the way i have posted, but i think that he doesn't really contribute anything, also because of his lack of interest, i dont really think that there is any reason for him to still be here.

also, i do agree with the point that Fifty made earlier, maybe he could be one of the genestealers.

just out of interest do we have anything that discredits what Fifty said?

**Lord-Loss**

Then by your logic Shas, we should lynch you too?

**shas'o vera**

but am i not showing interest right now?

by saying what i think am i not proving that i shouldn't be lynched?

**Lord-Loss**

Well you don't contribute anything useful or scum hunt.

**shas'o vera**

but arn't i contributing right now? i explained my reasons for thinking that Arheiner should be lynched.

**BishopGore**

OOC: I have to say that playing in 2 games at once is very difficult, especially with several players being alive in both. I keep almost quoting Ferrett from this game in that one >.<

IC: I'm feeling awful, I can't seem to get a handle on anyone and I know I'm letting the side down because most of my posts lack any real depth or substance. I completely forgot that Drk_O had indeed come up with an excuse for his comment, as ridiculous as it was, but the more ridiculous the excuse the more sense it seems to make... why make up something that silly when you could make up something cleverer, Drk_O is an intelligent guy, he'd come up with something better...

However, the day is wearing on and I'm not seeing any other concerted movement anywhere in the game, so my vote is staying put. Thor has made so much sense for the last Day and a half that I feel he deserves some support, and Drk_O is definitely fishy, whether the link between him and DDRE exists or not.

**Lord-Loss**

Shas, see Fifty's post a few pages back, you didn't even try to defend yourself and that's contributing and being involved?

The reasons you showed for lynching someone could be applied to you for half the game.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

shas'o vera wrote:but arn't i contributing right now? i explained my reasons for thinking that Arheiner should be lynched.

Well that was a quick turn around, one minute he might be innocent, the next you want to lynch him. Anyway, as to you contributing, you are, sort of. You are indeed showcasing an opinion however it isn't overly thought out, and is basically an exact mirror of my case. Yet what I find more frustrating is the lengths other posters have to go just to get you to post something, or share your views. It feels as if we have to use some sort of slow water torture to erode your wall of apathy just to get the smallest morsel of thought from you. You never really contribute much, and have to be beg just to share said opinions, I mean you didn't even try to counter what Fifty said about you earlier in the thread. Even your said contribution post wasn't much, Thor's post actually asked how you'd feel about lynching him, you then basically described why you think he should be lynched, yet said nothing about how you feel about it. So it came of as a bit of a,"Yeah, lets do that then," kind of post.

Your radical flip from questioning my post on his guilt, and now your apparent want to lynch him now is suspicious. You seem just to follow the general voting trend or opinion, while this could be that you just agree with the opinions, the radical flip speaks otherwise to me. Perhaps scum trying to blend in just a bit too much.

**Arheiner**

Thor665 wrote:Really, until we have a flip in either game it's difficult to guess at. I do consider Arheiner's activity level in this game less then his activity level in another game wherein he was town - which makes him more suspicious to me.

Clearly everyone in the other game should lynch him so we have a better value call to assess him at for this game.

@shas - how would you feel about lynching arheiner today?

@Arheiner - how would you feel about lynching shas?

I find that as in the previous game, Shas'o makes himself suspicious but is impossible to get a read on, although if we lynch him at worst it simplifies things for us, so I don't have a problem with it.

**Thor665**

If he makes himself suspicious - isn't that a read on him?

I asked both shas and Arheiner for their reads on each other because of shas' odd defense of Arheiner on Page 13. This was the only time shas really came out with any sort of defense and it was on Arheiner of all people(!?!).

Now shas is clarifying that he's okay with lynching Arheiner and Arheiner says shas is hard to read but that he looks guilty(!?!).

I had previously said I thought shas was just playing his usual town game, but will accept this is a little odd. I personally am getting more of a negative vibe from Arheiner, also I have the most negative energy towards Drk_O and shas is voting Drk_O. So of the pair I would prefer to lynch Arheiner first.

My lynch preference
Drk_O
Arheiner
some other player yet to be named but I'm sure it will be brilliant when I do so.

@ferret - what's your read on the shas/Arheiner situation? Are you still unsure about what to do with your vote?

**Fifty**

Can we please get a vote update? Also, when is our lynch deadline, please?

I will probably be sticking to a Shas vote this time around. If something huge happens, I will be prepared to switch my vote, but otherwise I am solid until we see who gets lynched and what happens in the ensuing night phase.

**the_ferrett**

People quote me? I'm getting a little concerned about that. Especiall as Shas used my logic in the hatemobile on Thorr. I mean, if I had a stronger case, sure, go ahead.... but with the gut feelings I've been pulling? Then you have the Shas/Arheiner contradiction (go me?).

I'm going to go out on a limb and:
Vote Shas'o

**Gornall**

Current Vote Count:

0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
0- Fifty
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
3- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, ShasO, BishopGore)
4- Shas O'vera........(Fifty, Lord Loss, DarkO, Ferret)
0- Ferret

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.

EDIT: Fixed Shas's vote count.

**the_ferrett**

(Shouldn't the bottom row be 4?)

**VictorVonTzeentch**

VOTE: Drk_O

**Thor665**

@ferret - in the past you've expressed extreme doubt about voting before enough evidence appeared to make you feel comfortable. Has such evidence appeared now for shas'o?

**the_ferrett**

Yes. As I said in compacted form.

**Thor665**

Would you please expound on why you believe there is enough evidence on shas'o at this point to justify you voting?

I ask because I haven't seen a big shift in available evidence, but yet now you are voting.

**the_ferrett**

First: He joined on my suspicion of you, when I hadn't provided a compelling arguament.
Second: Shaso defends Arheiner, even after Arnheiner says that doing so looks suspicious.
Third: There was already suspicion in his direction, enough for him to be in the running.

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

I'm sticking to my position against Shas'o, I feel that he's still the best option to lynch at the moment.

Other than that, I'm not sure who else should be lynched. The other bandwagon is against me, so none of the arguements jump out as something I'd agree with. And it's spearheaded by Thor and Stynier. Both of which I'd rather have around as they're usually, hell they are, good for town. But as I said before, the Princess is not in this castle.

However, I would like to know why Arheiner and DDRE aren't voting.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

I did vote, a page back. It was for Arheiner. However, looking at the current situation, I'm considering changing my vote.

Edited to fix spelling.

**shas'o vera**

Stynier, would you care to explain the vote you made? you gave no evidence what so ever or any kind of explaination.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

You want me to reiterate the entire argument I have made from pretty much the start? How about you go back and read some of my other arguments, because they haven't much changed.

**Fifty**

I feel that over the past 5-6 days, DDRE has been contributing a lot, Thor a bit less than normal, but still very reasonable, some from Bishopgore, some from Dark_O, more than normal from Ferret, but very short posts...

Any other comments from anyone?

**Thor665**

I'll clarify that I'm contributing less because others are contributing more - but other then that I think your reads are correct.

Conversation has been slowing down again and I think it's time we had another lynch and flip. The battle lines are pretty obvious on the shas/Drk_O fronts, and I think Arheiner is a fair option as well.

Of the three my lynch preference is;

Drk_O
Arheiner
shas'o

in that order. I'm actually still fairly lukewarm towards shas'o but less then I was, I feel Drk_O is scummy and I think Arheiner is a better option to lynch to figure out the shas/Arheiner connection I've mentioned.

I'd like for people to start talking about who they'd be willing to lynch or to start up another discussion topic. If we have nothing better to discuss/ask then we ought to get on with the lynching to keep the game moving.

**Lord-Loss**

I'm pretty set on a Shas lynch, no one I find particularly suspicous besides him. I guess Arheiner is my second most suspicous cause of the lack of posts mainly. Not sure what to make of the DrkO, Dread link. Apart from the one comment from Dread is there much to go on?