Genestealer Game 4: 40k Leagues Under the Sea

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**Thor665**

No, there really isn't. But unless you think they're incredibly dumb they wouldn't be likely to make a lot of mistakes, especially after I called them on it. I don't think either player is dumb.

What's the case on shas'o again?

**Fifty**

Shall I quote that page-long post I made again?

**Thor665**

You could - but I'd want you to differentiate why shas is so lynchable as compared to Arheiner. The bulk of the shas case still seems to be - he's lurking, which is not an unreasonable scumtell but makes me wonder how you differentiate him from Arheiner who has done the same thing and has, as DDRE pointed out, been posting in the other game while lurking here. Does that not tingle your scumdar at all as a more obvious scummy avoidance of posting as opposed to a perhaps more benign shas lurking due to workload?

Or am I missing something?

**Deff Dread red Edition**

The whole argument I think, may be summed up as such,"He never much posts, and even when he does, it is either scummy or not of any use."

The day is coming to a close, my current vote for Arheiner is not helping the group at all.I feel I must...

Unvote:Arheiner

and

Vote:Shas'Overa

His lackluster logic, nonsensical play style, coupled with him never contributing anything of help and us having to pry every bit of information out of him, make him suspect. Perhaps he is a sort of stealer smoke screen, perhaps just a frightened newbie, however he isn't much helping anyone and is being mighty confusing and scummy along the way.

Edited to add Shas's full name.

**Gornall**

Current Vote Count:

0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
0- Fifty
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
4- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, ShasO, BishopGore, Stynier)
5- Shas O'vera........(Fifty, Lord Loss, DarkO, Ferret, DDRE)
0- Ferret

With 10 Alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

**Lord-Loss**

When does this day phase end again?

**Fifty**

Thor665 wrote:You could - but I'd want you to differentiate why shas is so lynchable as compared to Arheiner. The bulk of the shas case still seems to be - he's lurking, which is not an unreasonable scumtell but makes me wonder how you differentiate him from Arheiner who has done the same thing and has, as DDRE pointed out, been posting in the other game while lurking here. Does that not tingle your scumdar at all as a more obvious scummy avoidance of posting as opposed to a perhaps more benign shas lurking due to workload?

Or am I missing something?

I think that for me personally Arheiner seems to have a low post count, whereas Shas seemed to be trying to avoid posting, make excuses for it and generally put too much effort in seeming like his low post count was natural as he is a n00b.

I will take a closer look at Arheiner next Day Phase, if you like, but I put quite a lot of time and effort into a close look at Shas, so maybe someone else could do Arheiner?

**Fifty**

I will say though, that now Arheiner is not voting at all, that makes me feel a bit suspicious about him, and that he may well warrant another close look.

**the_ferrett**

Day phase requires one more vote or no lynch happens... Just throwing that out there.

**Gornall**

Day Phase ends at 6 PM EST on Monday.

**Thor665**

Wow, that's closer then I thought.

I'd still much rather lynch Drk_) or Arheiner then shas'o. Is anyone on that shas'o wagon content with a Drk_O lynch?

**the_ferrett**

I am concerned that we won't get a 6 on one person...

**Thor665**

I take it by that comment you're saying you don't have any urge to switch votes?

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

I have no intention on voting for myself Thor :L

**Deff Dread red Edition**

Yet again Arheiner both posted and voted in another Genestealer game, surely he couldn't have missed our appeal for him to vote. He seems to be skirting around the issue a bit too much, which makes him highly scummy.

On the voting, I'm happy with my vote for the moment, yet we need to get a lynch today, if only to thin the pool of possible stealers. So, if it comes down to me having to switch votes for a lynch I'd do it.

**the_ferrett**

No urgings, Thorr.

**BishopGore**

My voting preferences are:

the_ferrett
Drk_O
Arheiner
Shas'O
Other people who as yet I cannot differentiate

I think ferrett's actions so far have been anti-town and generally caused more hassle than anyone else.
Drk_Obliterator has been generally scummy/hard to read, but most of that is gone through in Thor's posts
Arheiner, as quoted, has been generally lacklustre in posting here, whilst fairly interested in the other game.
Shas'O... sorry, but you're either scum or incredibly bad at discussing what is going on.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

Okay, conversation has all but stalled, we need to end day 2 with a lynch. Since most of those voting for shas'O seem to be fairly set on the idea, do any of those of the Drk_O wagon feel the case against shas is enough to lynch him over? If so, would anyone of them consider switching sides?

**Thor665**

I'd rather not shift, personally, because I'm not sold on shas as scummy and feel I'd be throwing my vote away.

shas certainly won't self vote, which means maybe Stynier or maybe BishopGore (though BG has indicated shas is fourth on his top suspects list.)

Also, if we could actually get Arheiner to show up and vote, that would be pretty good.

@Gornall I'd like to request a prod on Arheiner, his vote could help settle the current deadlock or at least make it a closer thing.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

I'd rather kill of Drk_O as I feel he is scummy, something Thor and I have stated since the start. Shas I feel is suffering from not knowing exactly what to do as he is relatively new to this and hasn't picked it up as quickly.

That being said that will pose an issue to us later, so if need be I can vote for him, but I implore one of the other to switch their vote and remove Drk_O.

**the_ferrett**

Its Saturday, we need someone by Monday. _Noone_ claim this vote is for anything but getting a town lynch. I don't like this, but I'm not letting us sink because we have some stubborn fools.

Vote Drk_O May god have mercy on our souls.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

That would be number five for Drk_O so you don't need to go saying may "god" have mercy on or souls.

I hope you mean the God-Emperor of Mankind.

**Thor665**

Seriously ferret?

If you vote for someone - yes, it counts and people will and should hold you accountable for it. Second, what's up with the dramatic speeches - we have till Monday, that means there's still a couple of days to sort out the whole affair.

Unvote: Drk_O

It's a little too late at night for me to consider this right now. I want to do a re-read and will hopefully come back with some other thoughts. I'm worried now that both of our choices are wrong.

I'll be back by Saturday with a vote and some thoughts

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Im a little worried that no one bothers to challenge us and some even automatically assume we are pro town Thor. Shouldnt they look into it more?

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Not saying Im anti-town only that people shouldnt trust us because we take the lead.

**the_ferrett**

Its Saturday now. 2 days is not that long. Especially as we barely get a vote a day turnover.

**Thor665**

BrotherStynier wrote:Im a little worried that no one bothers to challenge us and some even automatically assume we are pro town Thor. Shouldnt they look into it more?

Eh, this is hard to make any flat declarations on. At the most basic level we are all looking for scum (well, except for the scum, of course, they are just fake looking). To look for scum you have two tools available to you in the most absolute sense. One of them is looking for things that are scummy or that scum would be more likely to do. This gives you a list of people who are more likely scum. The second is looking for things that are townish or that town are more likely to do, this gives you a list of people who are less likely to be Genestealers and consequently hopefully helps make your scum list even more accurate.

At the moment I have no less then four players who I am currently not worried about at all because I do not believe them to be Genestealers. Hopefully this will make my hunting more accurate. As each day proceeds you have to be willing to keep reassessing your beliefs about who is town and who is scum, and of course as the suspect list becomes shorter the more 'townish' people will need to be more and more townish to not have themselves on a suspect list.

That all said, I of course encourage everyone to scumhunt in the manner they feel most comfortable with just so long as they can explain their methods to some degree or other.

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

Have I been posting less lately? I've spent all week trying to think of 5 things I'm good at as part of filing out an app for GW, which is more difficult than it sounds...

Hmmm... So... I'm almost lynched again, and the ferrett thought he was the lynching vote...

I'm perfectly fine with being lynched this DayPhase now, well, other than losing a towny, of course. I've been too much of an attention vacuum this game, and with me out of the way, the focus can redirect towards others. Like that Weasel guy.

So if it looks like we're going for a no-lynch situation, I'll vote for myself if it's a decider.

So, my current lynch preferences are

1. Shas'o: shows a massive disinterest in the game
posts without saying anything
Votes without reason
I see a possible connection (albeit very weak) link between him and the_ferreeettt, based on his quick rewording of teh_ferrett's suspicions of Thor.

2. The_Ferrett: While he has started doing abit more, I feel he should pay attention abit more when voting!!(current number voting required for lynch is 6 bro)

3. Arheiner: Is hazardously neglecting this game, but he just doesn't jump out at me to be of any importance at all.

4. Drk_O, for the reasons stated above.

I would like to hear more from Lord-Loss though...

**the_ferrett**

Yes, and could you have seen anyone voting for shaso out of the dark O group?
And now we are down to one - 1.5 days.

**Lord-Loss**

Drk_Oblit, there's nothing more to say, I'd like someone to switch over to Shas and end the dayphase as talk has completely dried up. *shrugs*