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The Background (skip this paragraph if you like)
A few friends and I started a gaming club a few months ago, and it's going well. We play mostly small scale skirmish games. We have discussed, and are rather pround of, the fact that one of the things that sets us appart is that in almost 8 months of bi-weekly gaming (sometimes more often) we have never put unpainted figs on the table. A few times we have fielded basecolored figs, and rebased and touched-up prepainted figs do make their appearances, but nothing unpainted. Part of this is that we always have enough figs to share, so newbies who play with us never feel pressured to buy a bunch of plastic/metal and throw it on the table.

The Issue.
A couple of us were kicking around making a club t-shirt that says in medium large letters:
"Nice army."

Below that in smaller letters it would say:
"When were you going to paint it?"

It's undecided whether to include the club name or not, so here are my questions.

1) Would such a shirt offend you or would you find it funny?
2) If accompanied by the name of a wargaming club, would such a shirt negatively affect your opinion of said club?

This is an honest question, as most of us think it would be funny. However, we aren't the kind of folks who like to hurt peoples feelings so we'd appreciate hearing your opinions on the matter.

It wouldn't offend me. A lot of people complain about unpainted figs, and in tournaments themselves your need painted figs. So i can see you point.

However i can also see why some people may get offended. They may not have very much spare time to paint, for a reason they could take a lot of offense from e.g. they have a kid who has special needs, and therefore extra time needs to spent looking after him/her, or something like that.

I definetly wouldn't think less of the club though, nor do i think anyone else would. The club may well have a policy that you can't play with unpainted figs, and that's fine, some clubs have their policies, if you don't like it then go join a different club.

P.S I'd make this thread into a poll if i were you. It'd be easier to see the results.

The Issue.
A couple of us were kicking around making a club t-shirt that says in medium large letters:
"Nice army."

Below that in smaller letters it would say:
"When were you going to paint it?"

If you are truly serious about it ( some can be ) then you guys still have your rights if it matters to THAT EXTEND to not play against unpainted armies.
Which is fine as every club / store usually has a "trend / preference / birds a feather flock together etc etc ".
If you are serious , then by all means go for it , the easier for us gamers to steer away from the shop / gaming group.

If you arnt serious about it and its just a joke , dunno , people might take it the wrong way.

1) Would such a shirt offend you or would you find it funny?

Yes i find it funny , that people would take it to such extremes :']

2) If accompanied by the name of a wargaming club, would such a shirt negatively affect your opinion of said club?

Like i mentioned earlier , if the club only likes to play vs painted armies , thats their preference and certainly their choice and RIGHT. So be it.

This is an honest question, as most of us think it would be funny. However, we aren't the kind of folks who like to hurt peoples feelings so we'd appreciate hearing your opinions on the matter .

Many gamers have been denied games ( its totally understandable though , those who care about painted armies im sure find it more enjoyable to play against other fully painted army than gray clone brigade )
So they might not see it as a joke as been denied itself isnt something to joke about.

Not saying its wrong , just letting you know from our point of view :3

I think a shirt like that would be hilarious .
Since I also exclusively field fully painted miniatures, I would immediately try to join your club (being in Europe, thats out of the question :( ).

Good luck with the Shirts and the Club - put up a picture if you decide to have them made.

Interesting.
I'd be wary as Eldarown said of not knowing peoples specific circumstances.
You have no idea why their army is unpainted and a group of guys all wearing the same tshirts which are pretty blatently on display could very well send the wrong message (not to mention in a friendly environment be potentially intimidating).

To answer your questions I dont think I'd find it particulary amusing (and I hate unpainted models), I just think its an underhand way of making a statement about someones army, man up and ask them openly what the story is if you feel that strongly.
2) It probably would affect my view of your club for the above reasons.
YMMV as usual.

As long as you don't get all elitist about it (refusing to play unpainted armies or complaining at people that don't field fully painted armies) then I see no problem. It's fair enough to set constraint for your own club's games, but if your playing in a FLGS or something then relax about it.

It wouldn't offend me, neither would I find it that funny really.
The only thing that would negatively effect my opinion of a club would be how the members act, if your in that t-shirt and your all really nice friendly gamers then there isnt any problem at all. If your all douche bags that refuse to play against any one that doesn't have any army thats "up to your standed" then I don't care what you're wearing, I'd never game with you.

Edits: spelling

I'd find it hilarious.

Then again, I've been associated with a club that has the initials 'NBG'.

It has stood for many things, over the years, the top two were "No bloody Good" and "Northern Beaches Gamers".

We never told anyone what it actually was.

I wouldn't offend me in the slightest.

But it would make me assume you're elitist douchebags.

I love it.

A little playful ribbing is good fun. Given the nature of your club I think it's appropriate too.

Unpainted armies are an eyesore.

Eilif wrote:The Background (skip this paragraph if you like)
A few friends and I started a gaming club a few months ago, and it's going well. We play mostly small scale skirmish games. We have discussed, and are rather pround of, the fact that one of the things that sets us appart is that in almost 8 months of bi-weekly gaming (sometimes more often) we have never put unpainted figs on the table. A few times we have fielded basecolored figs, and rebased and touched-up prepainted figs do make their appearances, but nothing unpainted. Part of this is that we always have enough figs to share, so newbies who play with us never feel pressured to buy a bunch of plastic/metal and throw it on the table.

The Issue.
A couple of us were kicking around making a club t-shirt that says in medium large letters:
"Nice army."

Below that in smaller letters it would say:
"When were you going to paint it?"

It's undecided whether to include the club name or not, so here are my questions.

1) Would such a shirt offend you or would you find it funny?
2) If accompanied by the name of a wargaming club, would such a shirt negatively affect your opinion of said club?

This is an honest question, as most of us think it would be funny. However, we aren't the kind of folks who like to hurt peoples feelings so we'd appreciate hearing your opinions on the matter.

It sounds like something a 14 year old would wear, one that never bathed.

So, basically Frazzled, you're saying you'll take two..

Please stop making a mockery of Dakka rule #1.

I'd change the 2nd line to "when are you going to pay someone to paint it?" though.

(several kids in my club have done this, only to sell the army after they play one game with their 'pro-painted' army.).

would not offend me i think its funny.

I wouldn't be offended, that would be stupid, but I personally would think a bit less of a store that openly caters to newbies but puts them in an environment where they're pressured (albeit indirectly) into painting their armies and where every player who comes in is met with the same question by every member of staff.

Whilst you might not mean it, implied meaning can be equally as powerful and some players may feel that they are being singled out or shunned as consequence; they may have their own reasons for not painting their armies, and when you're not questioned about it directly, you can't exactly answer it or attempt to justify yourself.

For me, the shirt would be fine as casual-wear, but as something that could be used to represent the club, it doesn't really work; players could find it rude, sometimes intimidating, and you can't exactly justify yourself to a question that isn't asked outright; seeing it once and thinking "Oh it's okay, I know I have my own reasons." is all fine, but if you see it every game night then it can chip away at people's self-respect quite easily.

I want one that reads

Nice List
Where do you get it?
But yeah I laughed when I see that shirt, I wouldn't think any less of the club that wears it

AesSedai wrote:So, basically Frazzled, you're saying you'll take two..

Please stop making a mockery of Dakka rule #1.

Methinks Dakka Rule #1 doesn't mean what you think it means...

The poster asked for opinions. I gave it. Its not insulting. Its not my fault you can't handle it. If this upsets you, the world must be a scary place for you.


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LunaHound wrote:

The Issue.
A couple of us were kicking around making a club t-shirt that says in medium large letters:
"Nice army."

Below that in smaller letters it would say:
"When were you going to paint it?"

If you are truly serious about it ( some can be ) then you guys still have your rights if it matters to THAT EXTEND to not play against unpainted armies.
Which is fine as every club / store usually has a "trend / preference / birds a feather flock together etc etc ".
If you are serious , then by all means go for it , the easier for us gamers to steer away from the shop / gaming group.

If you arnt serious about it and its just a joke , dunno , people might take it the wrong way.

1) Would such a shirt offend you or would you find it funny?

Yes i find it funny , that people would take it to such extremes :']

2) If accompanied by the name of a wargaming club, would such a shirt negatively affect your opinion of said club?

Like i mentioned earlier , if the club only likes to play vs painted armies , thats their preference and certainly their choice and RIGHT. So be it.

This is an honest question, as most of us think it would be funny. However, we aren't the kind of folks who like to hurt peoples feelings so we'd appreciate hearing your opinions on the matter .

Many gamers have been denied games ( its totally understandable though , those who care about painted armies im sure find it more enjoyable to play against other fully painted army than gray clone brigade )
So they might not see it as a joke as been denied itself isnt something to joke about.

Not saying its wrong , just letting you know from our point of view :3

Exactly.

Frazzled wrote:

AesSedai wrote:So, basically Frazzled, you're saying you'll take two..

Please stop making a mockery of Dakka rule #1.

Methinks Dakka Rule #1 doesn't mean what you think it means...

Eh...both of those comments are not very nice.

I liek ya Frazz-man, but implying someone is an unwashed 14 year old is not exactly endearing. It's an opinion, but also an insult at some level.

AesSedai, your not of the Gray Ajah I assume, so going the undiplomatic route of throwing the comment back in his teeth is also not nice either.

Just bro-hug a bit guys and move on.

No. in the New Dachshund Order there will be no "bro hugs," for that is the way of the squirrel.

The poster asked for an opinion about how the shirt would be viewed. Thats my opinion of how the shirt would be viewed, which is awesomely better than the "excellent, it helps me identify the infantile players to avoid" I originally typed. I did not insult the poster.

@ Frazzled: You could use a little reread of the rules yourself, 'pard.

@ WarOne: laughing makes the Frazz-rage subside, lol. Thanks.

Eilif wrote:
A couple of us were kicking around making a club t-shirt that says in medium large letters:
"Nice army."

Below that in smaller letters it would say:
"When were you going to paint it?".

As long as line 2 has an asterisk at the end, you've got a get-out-of-jail if anyone queries it.
When were you going to paint it? *
Make up the disclaimer as you need it.

AesSedai wrote:@ Frazzled: You could use a little reread of the rules yourself, 'pard.

@ WarOne: laughing makes the Frazz-rage subside, lol. Thanks.

Here maybe this will help.
Wearing this shirt gives the impression that the wearers lack the maturity of adulthood. It expresses and arrogance one commonly finds in springlike veil of youth, untrammeled by the mists and perils of time and age. As a poster gifted by millennia of experience on this fulthsome ball I can say that, to me and those who recognize the benefits of our height challenged canine friends, I would proffer that this is an inopportune T Shirt message.

The T-shirt in of it self isn't offensive, the way i'd take it though would hugely depend on the attitude of the person wearing it.

I made a Tshirt as part of a comp we had at my FLGS which had the general of my army standing over the severed heads of a tau and a nid in the same colours as my two opponents armies. It was meant as a joke and I was friendly with the guys involved, so was taken as one. Especially as I've never won a game whilst wearing it.

Never thought about it being offensive at the time but looking back it could have been taken wrong. I think someone who gets upset by your tshirt is probably going to get upset anyway so as long as your not a bunch of TFG's it will be fine.

Eldar Own wrote:However i can also see why some people may get offended. They may not have very much spare time to paint, for a reason they could take a lot of offense from e.g. they have a kid who has special needs, and therefore extra time needs to spent looking after him/her, or something like that.

P.S I'd make this thread into a poll if i were you. It'd be easier to see the results.

Good points. Poll added.

Ratius wrote:
To answer your questions I dont think I'd find it particulary amusing (and I hate unpainted models), I just think its an underhand way of making a statement about someones army, man up and ask them openly what the story is if you feel that strongly.
2) It probably would affect my view of your club for the above reasons.
YMMV as usual.

Fair enough. In honesty, it is a bit of a dig at the GW and PP players (we don't really play GW or PP games) and the masses of grey and primer we see at or FLGS

Gorechild wrote:As long as you don't get all elitist about it (refusing to play unpainted armies or complaining at people that don't field fully painted armies) then I see no problem. It's fair enough to set constraint for your own club's games, but if your playing in a FLGS or something then relax about it... If your all douche bags that refuse to play against any one that doesn't have any army thats "up to your standed" then I don't care what you're wearing.

Edits: spelling

This doesn't usually come into play as we supply painted figs for new players. As most of our games are generic skirmish games where any figs can be used most folks already have enough painted figs to play.

Avatar 720 wrote:; they may have their own reasons for not painting their armies, and when you're not questioned about it directly, you can't exactly answer it or attempt to justify yourself.

That's true, may folks will have feelings about the shirt that won't be adressable because they won't mention it.

I like it a lot.
No, the only people you are going to "offend" are a few anonymous internet types whom you will never actually meet. At your club it may just help motivate new members to get their stuff painted. Nothing wrong with setting some standards.

It's a bit long-winded but apology accepted. See, you can still mock, only with subtlety. It's a whole new world

It is in no way offensive, and with your permission I would love to print one of my own because that had me in stitches lmfao!

I personally would not be offended by the shirt at this stage of my wargaming career, but I know that some new people that are trying to get into the game may get the wrong impression about it.

I know when I first started playing, my focus was to find a game and enjoy the competition. I would have been a little put off that someone is more focused on why I did not paint my minis vs. welcoming me to the hobby.

snurl wrote:I like it a lot.
No, the only people you are going to "offend" are a few anonymous internet types whom you will never actually meet. At your club it may just help motivate new members to get their stuff painted. Nothing wrong with setting some standards.

There's motivation and then there's pressurising, both could come from the same thing read by two different people. Just because Person A would be more motivated doesn't make it okay if Person B feels pressured into doing something (s)he doesn't want to do.

If you cannot ensure that nobody will take it negatively, then it's always safer not to do it.

Avatar 720 wrote:

snurl wrote:I like it a lot.
No, the only people you are going to "offend" are a few anonymous internet types whom you will never actually meet. At your club it may just help motivate new members to get their stuff painted. Nothing wrong with setting some standards.

There's motivation and then there's pressurising, both could come from the same thing read by two different people. Just because Person A would be more motivated doesn't make it okay if Person B feels pressured into doing something (s)he doesn't want to do.

If you cannot ensure that nobody will take it negatively, then it's always safer not to do it.

If you cannot ensure that nobody will take it negatively, then it's always safer not to do it? How dare you wear the sigil of khorne and speak such blasphemy? ;p

happydude wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:

snurl wrote:I like it a lot.
No, the only people you are going to "offend" are a few anonymous internet types whom you will never actually meet. At your club it may just help motivate new members to get their stuff painted. Nothing wrong with setting some standards.

There's motivation and then there's pressurising, both could come from the same thing read by two different people. Just because Person A would be more motivated doesn't make it okay if Person B feels pressured into doing something (s)he doesn't want to do.

If you cannot ensure that nobody will take it negatively, then it's always safer not to do it.

If you cannot ensure that nobody will take it negatively, then it's always safer not to do it? How dare you wear the sigil of khorne and speak such blasphemy? ;p

Because chances are that I won't meet any of you IRL, whereas if you've got regulars coming to a club then there's going to be direct interaction at some point or other.