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Me, my friend and his dad play Warhammer 40k and when I play SM his dad plays Orks, and he has Ghazghkull Thraka and will most probably use him. Any tips on defeating him with SM or Tau would be greatly appreciated (my friend plays Tau)!
And yes I have just realized that this should be in 'Warhammer 40k Tactics'.

Tau-Hammerheads or Broadside teams
Space Marines-Lysander is a good beatstick but you might have problems getting him into combat with Ghazzy

Honestly force tons on armor saves. He will fail.

Shoot him to death. Don't assault unless you get the charge. as good as his armor is he cant make all of his rolls so anything that does a lot of shots could potentially take him down.

Thanks, so basically dakka him to death.

Pretty Much.

Think of him as being much like a very powerful Terminator, especially for one turn of the game where his save becomes 2+ Invulnerable.

AP 1 or 2 guns work well vs his armour when he's not mega-waaghing, as do power weapons, and he hits at I 1, so piling a ton of attacks on him first works all too well.

Massed fire from close range rapid-fire weapons like bolters and pulse rifles is effective if you don't mind the possibility that he will survive it and slam into the unit.

Also he is very very slow (Mega Armour) so fairly easy to avoid and shoot up if you can peg his transport.

What about using Meltas, Multi-Meltas, plasma cannons and guns and lascannons. This would work well for the melta weapons as I have Vulkan He'stan who makes them twin linked.

a friend of mine who i play likes throwing his shielded marines and lysander at my ghaz and mega nobs.... its really a crap shoot for who comes out ahead usually the combat lasts at least a few turns btu it does tie up alot of my points (and i'm assumign alot of his)

Interesting

Kravox wrote:Any tips on defeating him with Tau would be greatly appreciated (my friend plays Tau)!

Kravox wrote:Thanks, so basically dakka him to death.

This is what Tau should be doing to everyone, all the time.

I suppose so

Yes. keep him away. Lock the doors... and hope they don't have blasters.

Whatever transport he's in....blow it up. He's slow as gak after that.

Massive, massive amounts of attacks will bring him down. He will fail some of those saves, and sence you will strike first, then you have a chance of the wounds piling up. Unfortunately, horde armies are the best at this, and neither of you are fielding one.

Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield Terminators are designed for that manner of threat.

DarknessEternal wrote:Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield Terminators are designed for that manner of threat.

I think I agree with that, but I reckon a pair of missle devistator squads could handle him with Krak missiles.

Destroy his transport and shoot him to death are good ideas but that depends. Any ideas on how he's being ran? In a battlewagon with Nobs? In a large mob of Boyz? Double cheese with an extra side of cheese style with Snikrot?

winnertakesall wrote: I think I agree with that, but I reckon a pair of missle devistator squads could handle him with Krak missiles.

Worst advice in the thread. They neither ignore his armor nor cause instant death.

Blow up his transport, use TH/SS Terminators, with or without Vulkan if necessary. On the slim chance that ghazkhull is actually being used effectively, it's not ghaz himself you have to worry about, it's the 6'' waaagh he allows. try to anticipate when he's going to pop his waaagh and have the chaff to throw in front of the charging units, with counterchargers of your own prepared.

Orks have a tough time with lots of armor, especially av14. as the marine player, you can take advantage of this. Try thinking less in terms of one character and more in terms of your overall game plan.

This is why I put him in a squad of 18 boyz in a battlewagon. Its gonna take a little while to dakka through 18 boyz if his ride gets blown up.

dumbuket wrote:

winnertakesall wrote: I think I agree with that, but I reckon a pair of missle devistator squads could handle him with Krak missiles.

Worst advice in the thread. They neither ignore his armor nor cause instant death.

Blow up his transport, use TH/SS Terminators, with or without Vulkan if necessary. On the slim chance that ghazkhull is actually being used effectively, it's not ghaz himself you have to worry about, it's the 6'' waaagh he allows. try to anticipate when he's going to pop his waaagh and have the chaff to throw in front of the charging units, with counterchargers of your own prepared.

Orks have a tough time with lots of armor, especially av14. as the marine player, you can take advantage of this. Try thinking less in terms of one character and more in terms of your overall game plan.

Worked when I did it, but I suppose that was probably sue to just lucky dice rolls.

That would have to be either super luck, or a gak load of missiles.



If you get around his armor save you can put him down rather quickly. So lascannons/meltas will down haz with ease, and possibly in 1 turn if youve got enough of them. Ghaz is a super beast, specially when he gets his charge off, but play keep away and shoot his ass and he will be a joke to your force.

If your against orkz and tau alot, claw termies might help you out a fair bit.
Not usually something people take, but 5 will kill ghaz before he can attack.

will also help chew through boyz and anything tau have. (non AV)

y0disisray wrote:This is why I put him in a squad of 18 boyz in a battlewagon. Its gonna take a little while to dakka through 18 boyz if his ride gets blown up.

depending on how many boys survive the explosion.

Orkymike wrote:

y0disisray wrote:This is why I put him in a squad of 18 boyz in a battlewagon. Its gonna take a little while to dakka through 18 boyz if his ride gets blown up.

depending on how many boys survive the explosion.

This is a valid point. 5 of those boyz will most likely die in the explosion, and if a couple more die, than you won't have fearless anymore, and will have to take a morale check.

Bolters chew through Ork boys just fine. I'll echo the others and say that you should follow the old 40k adage of 'shoot da choppy ones'. Ghaz is about as choppy as you can get, and the response is to adopt the IG strategy of shooting so much at his that he's going to fail his armor/invul saves eventually.

However, don't forget the rest of his army. Even if you kill Ghazzy, there will be lots of other orks around. Don't neglect them.

Jackal wrote:If your against orkz and tau alot, claw termies might help you out a fair bit.
Not usually something people take, but 5 will kill ghaz before he can attack.

will also help chew through boyz and anything tau have. (non AV)

My friend used to run ghaz with about 15-20 (forgot how many you can take) burnaboyz and let me tell u, it destroys termies. especially if he gets the charged. the best bet would be to just dakka him from far away.

Dashofpepper wrote:Whatever transport he's in....blow it up. He's slow as gak after that.

Yep! He also isn't a fan of armour ignoring weapons. True he can get his 2++ for one turn, but every other turn its 5++. That and a bucket of small arms fire... focus him down pretty much. He's tough, but he can drop pretty hard.

My friend used to run ghaz with about 15-20 (forgot how many you can take) burnaboyz and let me tell u, it destroys termies. especially if he gets the charged. the best bet would be to just dakka him from far away.

But they are unrelated people are they not?
and as the OP stated, ghaz runs with boyz in a wagon.
so power weps arent a prob.

also, he had you going if he had more than 15

Using meltas is a bad, bad idea with Ghazkhull because it means you're likely within 12" of him - which is within his 8"-18" threat range. If he charges you, chances are you're going to die. 7x S10 power klaw attacks plus his Boyz will do a lot of damage. If 15 of them get into combat you've got an extra 60 S4 attacks to back him up. Plus if he Waaaaghs! then he's got a 2++, the entire army is fleet for a turn and everybody auto-runs the full distance.

Flamers work well on his boys but he'll laugh off even heavy flamers. Really you need a huge torrent of fire or a unit of TH/SS terminators you don't mind sacrificing.

Oh and if the Ork player is smart, that Battlewagon will have a Deffrolla... Ouch.

So, put vulkan in a squad of assault terminators in a land raider redeemer, followed by a squad of devastators with multi meltas heavy bolter lascannon and another multi melta. The redeemer because flamers work well against orks, with a multi melta for even more melta goodness.