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JohnHwangDD wrote:Aside from the Possessed, Spawn, War Walker, and Wraithlord, sure...

War Walkers have their place. 180 pts gets you 24 S6 36" shots a turn, which is actually kind of crazy.

Necros did leave off the "And people already have a lot of A & B units from the last codex, so make those less useful."

And the Wraithlords also a bad example. It wasn't meant to get killer rules because of a new kit, it was only meant to get different rules.

Same deal with Stealth Suits - a bunch of new options (Fusion Guns for Stealth Suits, extra HW/Wraithsword for Wraith Lords) - but they're only available on a shiny new kit that doesn't look like the old kit. So if you want your shiny new options, you have to buy a shiny new kit (or stratch-build your own).

Don't need better rules when you can just make new rules. I can actually picture this happening to the Tyrant - doesn't get any better, just becomes different.

Am I the only person that really likes the new IG book? I have a lot more fun playing now, I'm building new units, and while the uselessness of platoons is a bummer to me, I'm not sure how Arby was supposed to make static shooty units good.

It's OK, but I wanted Light Infantry Platoons of some sort.

That said, I'm planning to knock together a couple PBS squads, just because.

I mean, I can name a half dozen things I don't like about the book (overpriced heavy weapon squads, overpriced Ogryn, underpriced vendettas, stupidly overpriced stormtroopers, wacky wargear prices, and a lack of decent priests), but on the whole it's pretty good. IG feels more like a normal army now, and less completely different.

Polonius wrote:Am I the only person that really likes the new IG book? I have a lot more fun playing now, I'm building new units, and while the uselessness of platoons is a bummer to me, I'm not sure how Arby was supposed to make static shooty units good.

Nope, imo its one of GW's best and easily IG's best rules...ever. Never before has there been a more fun and competitive list available and the "uselessness" of platoons is a pretty bold statement since they're far from that especially with orders and a Commissar. A lot more tactics and flexibility was added to IG that they simply did not have before.

Long before the IG book came out, I expected Platoons & Pie, and as far as the them went, I was right. I just missed out on the supporting stuff.

But I don't do Proposed Rules anymore, either, as it's clear that GW doesn't pay attention to these sorts of things, so might as well just see what pops out.

Cane wrote:

Polonius wrote:Am I the only person that really likes the new IG book? I have a lot more fun playing now, I'm building new units, and while the uselessness of platoons is a bummer to me, I'm not sure how Arby was supposed to make static shooty units good.

Nope, imo its one of GW's best and easily IG's best rules...ever. Never before has there been a more fun and competitive list available and the "uselessness" of platoons is a pretty bold statement since they're far from that especially with orders and a Commissar. A lot more tactics and flexibility was added to IG that they simply did not have before.

Lol, I know it's a bold statement. I'm the same guy that hated hellhounds under the old book. I don't think that current platoons are useless, they just dont' accomplish much and are best kept cheap for objective grabbing and the like. I do like a PCS w/Flamer x4 in chimera, and 2x squad with ac/gl. The whole thing runs 235pts.

^ Very true. Point per point, combined squads with a Commissar is probably the best objective holder in the game.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Long before the IG book came out, I expected Platoons & Pie, and as far as the them went, I was right. I just missed out on the supporting stuff.

But I don't do Proposed Rules anymore, either, as it's clear that GW doesn't pay attention to these sorts of things, so might as well just see what pops out.

Maybe GW does pay attention to the Proposed Rules forum. It could just be a case of covergent evolution, but I remember proposing something like the Platoon rule quite a while before GW published the new Imperial Guard codex. I mean, it is a logical extension of the Combat Squads rule, after all. The vehicle squadrons were a forgone conclusion though: how else were they going to sell more tanks?

Speaking of the Platoon rule, who else thinks that the new Synapse rule will confer Stubborn on units of Tyranids?

who else thinks that the new Synapse rule will confer Stubborn on units of Tyranids?

I don't unless Gaunts get a substantial leadership boost. LD 10 and Stubborn I can see. That'd actually be pretty nice. I'd much, much rather have that than take No Retreat wounds all the freaking time.

Nurglitch wrote:. . . who else thinks that the new Synapse rule will confer Stubborn on units of Tyranids?

actually I could maybe see them (though it could be wishlisting) giving them a rule that states that they never suffer no retreat wounds. Shoot me down if Its going to far.

Let me see if I got this right. GW will make a new kit and it will get rules that are really good, unless it doesn't, then it will get rules which suck, but it will at least get new rules. Every thing else which doesn't get a new kit will also get rules that are either bad or good. Does tht about sum it up?

No.

But you knew that already, so why'd you ask other than to be a smart-ass?

Habit.

Not that this matters much, but all the black-shirts at the local GW store today said they had heard nothing about Nids..

One guy said he believed Necrons or Eldar to be the next codex after wolves...

but we know how much info Black-shirts dont get.

nick

Linkdead wrote:The Gaunt box is going down to 10 models for sure. All that remains to be seen is if it's going to be like the box now with gaunts and hormagaunts or they are going to separate them. This also points to swarm nids being the hot build in the new dex. It will be especially painful to purchase 200 gaunts. Luckily I still have an unassembled Endless swarm apoc formation. I also have a few crusher broods just in case we get carnifex squadrons

A plastic HT kit would be nice but I feel it's unlikely. One of the sculptors said he would love to do a plastic version of the Tyrant however he felt like it wouldn't sell enough units to warrant it's production. Even if one is released it's going to be at the 58 dollar price point. I would personally purchase a ForgeWorld Tyrant over a plastic one at that point. For a few bucks more you can have an amazing resin model.

A new metal BL is again unlikely in my opinion. I guess this is a weird variable with the Space Hulk minis. It's hard for me to believe that they spent the money on the Space Hulk molds only to release it on a limited basis. They will either reuse these models in a new Blood Angles and Tyranid Codex, or they will continue production of SH.

Plastic Lictor will never happen. Well I won't say never because as soon as I do the Nid dex will get squadrons of Lictors or something crazy.

A biovore would be nice, but I would rather see it done as an add-on sprue to the existing carnifex kit.

Plastic Raveners are almost a given if a plastic Trygon makes this release.

Plastic Gargoyles are pretty much confirmed.

A plastic Hive Tyrant would sell like water to a man in a desert.

Railguns wrote:A plastic Hive Tyrant would sell like water to a man in a desert.

I know I'd get two, and I already own 6 Tyrants.

I Might buy a plastic Hive Tyrant. It would depend on if it came out befor I made my Flyrant I've got the parts for awhile ago or not. If I've already made it, a new kit would have to simply look awesomer than my current ones to get me to buy it, plastic or otherwise. Like how I currently have five Lictors (current figs are super awesome).

I can't count how many Hive Tyrant conversions I've seen, and thats just counting the metal kit. People have been making Hive Tyrants out of the plastic Carnifex for gods sake. Put that thing in styrene and GW wouldn't be able to make enough.

I could see them doing plastic lictors, if they were to redo the warrior kit to give you warriors or raveners, they could easily add a couple extra bitz to make a lictor too. all you really need is worms coming outta the mouth and then put your talons on backwards.

They just got the Lictor model right - the current one is an ace sculpt. Why futz with it again?

Necros wrote:I could see them doing plastic lictors, if they were to redo the warrior kit to give you warriors or raveners, they could easily add a couple extra bitz to make a lictor too. all you really need is worms coming outta the mouth and then put your talons on backwards.

True, it would be very easy to do a recut Warrior sprue with Ravener and Lictor options - I'd certainly buy a few. If they're looking at recutting the Warrior sprue anyway (for the unknown hot zingy new Warrior options in the new codex), they might do this at the same time - but I'm not holding my breath...

The current model is the best to ever come around, even though I harbor a good bit of nostalgia for all the 2nd edition nids with their neon multicolor schemes.

I'd say off the cuff that they would needlessly replace it, but if the bean counters have anything to say about it it wouldn't happen barring something bizarre. Most of the newer models GW has been putting out have been great. The new DE models are great, especially the Cold Ones. Stracken was very well done, for a Rob Leifield character that managed to find proper proportioning and anatomy. The Valkyrie looks amazing, if expensive. The new Skaven clanrats are in scale, detailed, and more, erm, "flavorful" then ever. The Vampire Counts skeleton warriors were equally well sculpted.

I just wish we'd get a non-doofus impractical Biovore, Termagants and Hormagaunts that were slightly scaled down, Plastic freaking Gargoyles, and biomorph upgrade sprues that made sense for Warriors and Genestealers. You only get 1 (ONE!!) set of rending claws per warrior box, and only 1 of each head biomorph per sprue of Genestealers. The Zoanthrope just needs rules to compliment the model, the Carnifex needs some stat and points cost tweaking (like not being I1, for instance), Warriors need to be beefier (I actually made a thread about that a long, long time ago and people said it was probably too much) and I would love if the Tyrant Guard actually had those big fold out "shield" plates that their concept art had. The pictures looked like they could actually curl their arms forward like a huge armored gorilla and form their big arm plates into a protective shield for the Hive Tyrant. Right now they just look like angry lumps.

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the only Tyranid models that don't have their tongue sticking out are either Zoanthropes, an occasional Gaunt, or have Bio-plasma? When I noticed that it really bothered me for a while.

I'm sure if you were a Tyranid your tongue would be hanging out as well.

I don't expect we'll get new Gaunts. I expect we'll get new Gaunt boxes - 10 for AUD$35 rather than 20 for $50 - and they'll be recut so it's T-Gants or H-Gaunts, and the needed biomorphs.

Warriors will get the same treatment I suspect.

Two new things in plastic - one big, one small. Four things in metal (two units that will make up the Tyranid Power Build, and two that will never be used). And then in wave two they'll do something else, like do metal models for the other Tyranid Special Characters.

As long as one of those is a plastic Gargoyle kit, I don't much care what else they do. I have nearly 300 Gaunts, 150 Genestealers and 60 Warriors - the only thing I don't have lots of is Gargoyles (12 of the original Gargoyle models), so that's all I want. Everything else is just gravy.

They come 16 to a box now, so it would be boxes of 8

Not if they recut the sprue, as HBMC suggested. Hopefully they will, since unlike the newer sprues the Tyranid sprues tend to be full of large empty spaces. They could probably fit another couple of Warriors in a Tyranid Warrior box, for example.

I think its too soon for a nid dex. The last one was like 4 years ago. IG waited 6 years. Necrons, DE, SOB, and DH are older. They need to be redone first.

I do t want them to redo the warriors, but I'd like to see them make a other pose or two for the legs/body. No need for a plastic Lictor, the current one is perfect as is. Plastic gargoyles would rock hard.

People have mentioned the Malinthrope. I've seen the fig but never any kind of rules for it. What does that thi g do? Not asking for specific point costs or rules, just a general purpose.

Sorry, I meant 16. Here they are AUD$50 for 16, like the way 20 Guardsmen were also $50 (but are now $70, thanks to GW being a bunch of fethwits).

Nurglitch wrote:They could probably fit another couple of Warriors in a Tyranid Warrior box, for example.

But they won't.

Aduro wrote:People have mentioned the Malinthrope. I've seen the fig but never any kind of rules for it. What does that thi g do? Not asking for specific point costs or rules, just a general purpose.

Poisoned Attacks that cause Instant Death. That's about it.