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As I said, it depends on which figures you're interested in. You can pledge $1 plus an in-stock army set as an "extra" for $75 or $95 (depending on which army you want) and a grand total of $76-96, etc.

I think supporting a FLGS is a pretty honourable thing - but if you want the best deal, the Kickstarter is the way to go, even if you don't want the book because it's effectively free.

Lovin' the new stretch goal - 2 cavalry kits are awesome!

If all else was equal, I'd support the FLGS. But living here in Australia it's unfortunately far from equal. It's like paying 25-100% more for stuff compared to buying from the UK/US (including shipping). And my FLGS was never all that F, anyway, and roughly an hour each way to get there, so not all that L either. I haven't shopped there regularly in 5+ years, and even then mostly did so because it was convenient and most of the staff were cool... shame about the owner.

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Looks like we're only $1400 away from the cavalry now. I wonder what's next?

I know, next shop with Mantic stuff is 60+ miles away, cause in our town of 290k people there is no shop (died all of really stupid suicide).

Mantic is gonna make Angels!!! And they're Monstrous Infantry sized!!! Well, if they hit the next goal of 25k in 5 days.

Backing $175, selecting $100 level to be able to ad 2-3x Dark Knight sets and a set of angelic palas if last stretch is achived... 20-30 Dark knights would be a nice cavalery part of a Twilight kin /DE army!

http://www.manticgames.com/SiteData/Root/Image/kickstarter/Unknown-1.jpeg
So much for that.

Personally I'll leave the Mantic wings in the BitzBox and give the angels "Diablo"-style tentacle-"wings".

That'd be AWESOME!

Look at SW's graphical pledge/stretch rewards summary. Now look back at the KoW Kickstarter. Now imagine how fething many screens such a summary for this KS would span.

New update on the background of the first human army.

They'll be called the Celestians.

They will feature:

- Angels and Seraphim
- Men-at-arms
- Paladin Knights
- Sisterhood of battle nuns
- Heroes mounted on sabertooth cats.

Other 2 armies in the new expansion book will be Demons and Druids

^^ Haha!

Angels looks fantastic!

New update with a little background - $175K is definitely attainable - what can we do to help get it there? I want an Angel but no more monies to pledge :(

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war/posts/250074

scarletsquig wrote:
Other 2 armies in the new expansion book will be Demons and Druids

I know you're gonna hate me for saying this, but I assume Druids are gonna be "Not Wood Elves"

Although they also have elementals. Mmm I love me some elementals

Black Nexus wrote:^^ Haha!

Angels looks fantastic!

New update with a little background - $175K is definitely attainable - what can we do to help get it there? I want an Angel but no more monies to pledge :(

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war/posts/250074

It will easily get there. hell, it's already trending over $180k and the last 2 or 3 or even 4 days on projects like this one tend to go much, much quicker than the previous 28, often earning a 3rd or so of the final total. Now while I don't think this will do quite that exceptional I would not be surprised to see this get to ~$250 either.
lots of people wait 'till the last minute to pledge for some reason and pay day is coming up for a lot of folks, too (now with a CC that shouldn't necessarily matter but to a lot of people, it seemingly does.)

AlexHolker wrote:http://www.manticgames.com/SiteData/Root/Image/kickstarter/Unknown-1.jpeg
So much for that.

And they look every bit as good as I expected them to look! The armour is perfect, it looks heavy enough for a knight but not overornamented and I hope Mantic keeps on doing more fantasy Hairdos and not only the typical long hair for elves and bob cut for medieval humans.

Hmm - shouldn't we be on *five* new heroes by now?

One Eternal Warrior level (one Hero), two Living Legend packages (one General per set) and the Eternal Warriors one (which is 2 x Eternal Warrior, so two Heroes)...

I have just used up my pledge money for the next 3 months (here) so a prayer goes out the we make the Angels and Paladins.

Dysartes wrote:Hmm - shouldn't we be on *five* new heroes by now?

One Eternal Warrior level (one Hero), two Living Legend packages (one General per set) and the Eternal Warriors one (which is 2 x Eternal Warrior, so two Heroes)...

uh, that's been changed in the first post already.

can't expect mantic to go change it everywhere they've mentioned it on the KS page, nobody knows his way through that labyrinth anymore

kenshin620 wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:
Other 2 armies in the new expansion book will be Demons and Druids

I know you're gonna hate me for saying this, but I assume Druids are gonna be "Not Wood Elves"

Although they also have elementals. Mmm I love me some elementals

Not at all, but it's worth pointing out that wood elves are already covered by the elf army list, they have the 3 types of tree creature in there... highly likely that those three units will also cross over into the "Nature" army list, in the same way that the demons from the abyssal dwarf and twilight kin list will no doubt appear in the demon list.

Mantic's Elves paint up very nicely if you paint them with leather armour instead of metal, too.. it makes them seem less thin and a little more realistic, since it is easier to picture skin-tight clothing than skin-tight full plate armour.

According to Kicktraq, nearly $20k has been pledged today! This is really starting to heat up, it has become far too much of a good deal to miss out on.

ThomasPolder wrote:
lots of people wait 'till the last minute to pledge for some reason and pay day is coming up for a lot of folks, too (now with a CC that shouldn't necessarily matter but to a lot of people, it seemingly does.)

More people than ever use visa debit cards these days - avoids getting into credit debt as you can only spend what you have but are still able to use visa. Same with prepaid visa cards starting to become more common...

At this rate, I suspect Mantic will need their next stretch goal by roughly mid-afternoon UK time - over $16k already. Over 3,300% funded, which is just insane...

It isn't that amazing - they only had a $5K goal!

4 days left and $171k. I think we'll see $200k. $250 would be a real stretch, though.

They should add some more "hero model sculpted in your likeness" rewards - Mary-Sues seem to be popular, and they sell those for a ton of money. - and frankly, we all look pretty much the same if we were to be shrunk down to 28mm, so it wouldn't be too hard.


Just rang them and suggested it. If I posted it anywhere, it'd take them a month to sift through the posts and emails at this stage... the bloke on the phone is going to talk to "Chris" who is running it and see what he thinks.

Well I am coming out of nowhere but this kickstarter looks so tempting. The $175 is such a money sucker that I am tempted to just join in.
Now my question is if I end up not finding mates to play or the time to invest on the game how easy is to resell the game? Also how easy and fast to play is this game? Does anyone as a good review on their gaming system. Their webpage is seriously lacking, shouldn't really be that hard to find displays of their entire miniature range.

^ There's the Mantic forum on Dakka, which has some discussion about it.

Kings of War is extremely fast and easy to play, but with great tactical depth. Rules are free and regularly-updated and you can use your warhammer army to start playing, so there is literally zero cost to any current warhammer player who wants to give it a go.

The army lists are balanced, both internally, and against each other, there are no "broken" lists or units. This has been achieved over the course of 3 years of open public playtesting and feedback.
The company listens to the players, a lot. Basically, think of every single possible thing that people wish GW would do in terms of supporting their rules. Mantic does all of them.

You win the game mainly using tactics during gameplay, not by writing an uber-list of doom. Flank and rear attacks are hugely powerful, so movement is very important. Characters are separate units, and float around blocks of infantry, offering support in the form of morale (banner bearers) magic (wizards) and combat (heroes).

Games take about one-half to one-third of the amount of time it takes to play a game of warhammer fantasy, thanks to lightweight rules and unit-based gameplay.

Rules are not long-winded, they are brief and well-written, which makes them extremely quick to learn and means that there are almost no rules disputes or grey areas. Very "tight" system without any ambiguity or tons of special rules to remember.

Can't recommend it enough, it really is a great game, quite subtle in that it's easy to learn, difficult to master.

Worst case scenario is that you're left with a ton of good figures to use for warhammer. Resale value is fine, put them on ebay and they sell for the just the same rates that GW stuff does. You might have problems shifting the kickstarter freebie units specifically though, since I imagine there will be more than a few backers who have had the idea of getting in on this just to turn a profit at a later date, along with others who will either swap or sell their spare freebie units for the armies that they don't want to collect.

Edit: Here's a long review of the game someone wrote a few days ago: http://strangenewsfromunderthere.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/kings-of-war-mass-fantasy-battle.html

scarletsquig wrote:You might have problems shifting the kickstarter freebie units specifically though, since I imagine there will be more than a few backers who have had the idea of getting in on this just to turn a profit at a later date, along with others who will either swap or sell their spare freebie units for the armies that they don't want to collect.

then again I wouldn't be surprised if you almost broke even on just selling the army in a 175 or 225 pledge. Besides, those freebies look like they'd be useful, decently often used units, which means they'll probably fetch a decent price too - just not right away.

scarletsquig wrote:^ There's the Mantic forum on Dakka, which has some discussion about it.

Kings of War is extremely fast and easy to play, but with great tactical depth. Rules are free and regularly-updated and you can use your warhammer army to start playing, so there is literally zero cost to any current warhammer player who wants to give it a go.

The army lists are balanced, both internally, and against each other, there are no "broken" lists or units. This has been achieved over the course of 3 years of open public playtesting and feedback.
The company listens to the players, a lot. Basically, think of every single possible thing that people wish GW would do in terms of supporting their rules. Mantic does all of them.

You win the game mainly using tactics during gameplay, not by writing an uber-list of doom. Flank and rear attacks are hugely powerful, so movement is very important. Characters are separate units, and float around blocks of infantry, offering support in the form of morale (banner bearers) magic (wizards) and combat (heroes).

Games take about one-half to one-third of the amount of time it takes to play a game of warhammer fantasy, thanks to lightweight rules and unit-based gameplay.

Rules are not long-winded, they are brief and well-written, which makes them extremely quick to learn and means that there are almost no rules disputes or grey areas. Very "tight" system without any ambiguity or tons of special rules to remember.

Can't recommend it enough, it really is a great game, quite subtle in that it's easy to learn, difficult to master.

Worst case scenario is that you're left with a ton of good figures to use for warhammer. Resale value is fine, put them on ebay and they sell for the just the same rates that GW stuff does. You might have problems shifting the kickstarter freebie units specifically though, since I imagine there will be more than a few backers who have had the idea of getting in on this just to turn a profit at a later date, along with others who will either swap or sell their spare freebie units for the armies that they don't want to collect.

Edit: Here's a long review of the game someone wrote a few days ago: http://strangenewsfromunderthere.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/kings-of-war-mass-fantasy-battle.html

Thank you very much this is exactly what I was looking for. Just a question though is there any way to get a 1000pts undead army and a 1000points goblins army? I can see the $275 level for two armies but I believe this cannot be any of their elites army am I right?

^ Yes, there is a way, just add $50 to your total pledge to upgrade a basic 1000 point army (orcs, elves,undead dwarfs) to an "elite" 1000 point army (goblins, twilight kin, abyssal dwarfs).

So, for both goblins and undead, pledge $325 and you're all set!

You'll get the armies and the rulebook shipped right away, and all the other freebies will be sent in a second package later on in the year once they're all produced.

scarletsquig wrote:^ Yes, there is a way, just add $50 to your total pledge to upgrade a basic 1000 point army (orcs, elves,undead dwarfs) to an "elite" 1000 point army (goblins, twilight kin, abyssal dwarfs).

So, for both goblins and undead, pledge $325 and you're all set!

Men I hate you. :( I wish there wasn't an option to get them both. I am already backing SW if I back up this one as well it means I will have to struggle a bit this month. Guess is time to shift away some of my GW that I am keeping just in case I decide to do something else. With these two kickstartes I might just had bought miniatures for the next 10 years .

Well, you'll be getting over $1000 of stuff for your $325 by the time this thing is over, so I'm sure you won't regret it!

Also, shifting old GW stuff is great for raising cash... every time there's a price rise it goes up in value, and more people on ebay want to buy it..

scarletsquig wrote:Well, you'll be getting over $1000 of stuff for your $325 by the time this thing is over, so I'm sure you won't regret it!

Also, shifting old GW stuff is great for raising cash... every time there's a price rise it goes up in value, and more people on ebay want to buy it..

Retail for Retail value trades would work well too.

For instance, you can trade 15 GW High Elf Archers for almost 40 Mantic Elf Archers.

Just sayin'