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tneva82 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
The tank screams HALO to me...and that's a terrible thing (one of the most derivative, unimaginative and bland IPs in existence).

Regarding the barrels being drilled on the bolt pistols - these are promo pics and they won't modify the model as they sell it for that purpose. Last thing they need is someone griping that the model they received didn't have a drilled out bolt pistol barrel, etc.

The advertised product should generally be 100% what you get in the package. Basic marketing junk.

Then we come into issue why NOT drilled barrel? Plastic it's understandable due to limits of technology. Resin less so.

Sure, but that's a different issue.

 Haighus wrote:
I don't think Culln will still be the Chapter master- generally being Dreadnoughted removes the Marines previous rank and relegates them to advisor, except maybe for Iron Hands.

Bjorn the Fell-handed is a good example- he was once the Space Wolves Chapter master until he got stuck in a Dreadnought.

Dunno who will be the new Chapter master of the Red Scorpions though.

Dreadnought-interred Space Marines tend to spend a lot of time inactive and "asleep". Not what you want in a Chapter Master.

Panzer: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Astraeus-Super-heavy-Tank-2017



Rules: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/Astraeus-Super-heavy-Tank-Download-2017.pdf

Gor Half-horn, Beastman Bounty Hunter: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Gor-Half-horn-Beastman-Bounty-Hunter-2017



Rules: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/Gor-Half-horn-download-combined.pdf

Beastman ordered. Couldn't pass that up.

Do like the grav tank. Especially like the background to it as well and how they're trying to get it made on Forgeworld's distant from Mars. Future schism alert!

‘Supposedly recovered’

Omnissiah dammit, Cawl! You are misbehaving.

Shall pick up Gor at the 40k Open Day.

So much for that whole "it will look better once we see full pics of it" hope.

Quite liking Gor’s background snippet.

Confirms abhuman auxilia, suggests Inquisitors make similar use.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Quite liking Gor’s background snippet.

Confirms abhuman auxilia, suggests radical Inquisitors make similar use.

Fixed - I don't think he'd be popular with all inquisitors!

Though, the nod to the abhuman auxilla (aka Beastman Company) is a nice reference to the past.

And a possible nod to the future?

Don’t forget, this is Forgeworld, they’ve got a level of freedom the main design studio doesn’t.

Lost and the Damned and the Cult armies for Heresy could both benefit from having abhuman models available. If Gor sells well, they’ve got a proof of concept, at least for Beastmen.

And given the current state of The Imperium, I can see them being a little more relaxed about the shape of those mercilessly lobbed into the meat grinder.

Exciting, Rogue Trader scented times may well lie ahead. Spesh if those as excited as I am start pestering FW!

Comparing the model to his fighter card the stupid beastman brought a pistol he can't use (the one holstered on his chest)

Description says it’s a second Plasma Pistol?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/Astraeus-Super-heavy-Tank-Download-2017.pdf

That's a lot of points for one model (705Base)

His chainsword also gets bonuses at long range.

Good 'ol FW QA!

Gor might be cool to have in an inquisitor's retinue. Anyone has any idea on how to use the model that way? I haven't yet had a chance to look at the current 8th edition rules for inquisitors.

It looks like FW might have unintentionally created the Alaitoc flyer killer in that Astraeus.

Twin Macro-Accelerator Cannon:
When targeting units with the Fly keyword, this weapon ignores abilities which negatively modify its hit rolls.

Really expensive and possibly cheesy way to shut down the Alaitoc Flyer nonsense, but...man would it be funny to do one time.

So, just so I'm seeing this correctly - the Astraeus is a 24 wound Toughness 8 vehicle with a 2+ invulnerable shield which also works against Mortal Wounds?

Yeah. Pass.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It looks like FW might have unintentionally created the Alaitoc flyer killer in that Astraeus.

Twin Macro-Accelerator Cannon:
When targeting units with the Fly keyword, this weapon ignores abilities which negatively modify its hit rolls.

Really expensive and possibly cheesy way to shut down the Alaitoc Flyer nonsense, but...man would it be funny to do one time.

That's about only thing I think it is worth it for though.. for the points it costs I think 2x Repulsors is just overall better than the Astraeus and you'll probably still have some points left. Only thing it seems really good at is ripping flyers from the sky with it's Dakka cannons, but outside of that, gimme two Repulsors any day.

 Elbows wrote:
So, just so I'm seeing this correctly - the Astraeus is a 24 wound Toughness 8 vehicle with a 2+ invulnerable shield which also works against Mortal Wounds?

Yeah. Pass.

It's only a 5+ Invulnerable that works on MWs? Look at the Degradation chart, it lists the Void Shield save value there. It's just a 2+ regular armour save, that's not the void shield save.

Ahhhh, okay, I couldn't find where the save was for the Void Shield...that's much better. I was looking all over - never glanced at the degradation chart. Is that where Titans have void shields located too?

(wipes brow) At least now I can volunteer to play against one.

What role is the Astraeus suppose to fill? Not a transport, not really a tank hunter

A REALLY big anti-air dakka platform, as I do not see why you would take it over 2x Repulsors which bring more tank hunter power imo if you go Las-Talon and T/L Lascannon route. I also don't know why anyone would take the Plasma Eradicators over Las-Rippers.. those are just so bad even if they have 36" range over the Las-Rippers 24".

 Rolsheen wrote:
What role is the Astraeus suppose to fill? Not a transport, not really a tank hunter

It serves as the "I have more money than you" slot in the army.

Did anybody else Lol at the 7+ needed for the Voidshield save when at 5 wounds or less?

Just their way of saying voids are out(and future proofing if ever there is positive modifier maybe)

The Astraeus is an abysmal disappointment, and I actually like the model!

Against T8 3+ save vehicles, the full las build gets you between 9 and 15.5 damage for 738 points. A Shadowsword (which is popular enough that it SHOULD inform design) is averaging between 14-21 damage to the Astraeus with only the Volcano cannon and for 260 points less. These numbers are after all dice have been rolled.

The most favorable engagement I can see for this thing is to shoot a flyer with the big gun and a T7 tank with the las weapons. In such a situation the big gun should dish out about 12 damage to drop any light flyer and the array of las weapons should average about 6 or 7 damage to drop a T7 vehicle to half health. If we are talking a Stormtalon/hawk and a Predator I don't think that is enough damage to warrant the immense points cost.

 Imateria wrote:
Did anybody else Lol at the 7+ needed for the Voidshield save when at 5 wounds or less?

Did anyone else lol at the poxwalkers having a 7+ armour save?

tneva82 wrote:
Just their way of saying voids are out(and future proofing if ever there is positive modifier maybe)

Thee already are several; the layered voids are explicitly a special kind of armour save, not an invulnerable save or a FNP type roll, so they would seem to benefit from cover bonuses and suchlike.

Void sheilds are huge disapointment. Realistically - FNP would have been better lol. Really sad that a 10 point spirit stone is actually more effective than a void sheild because it can be taken in addition to a save. Real sad coming out of forge world. This would have been my first forge world purchase but the rules on this just aren't good enough to warrant buying - 4 preditors or 2 repulsors would be much more effective than this POS.

Well thats the ugliest tank to come out of FW for quite some time.
There are a lot of big tanks in its (points and ££) cost bracket and it looks like the Astraeus would get torn apart by almost all them.
I'd take a Falchion over it any day.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
Well thats the ugliest tank to come out of FW for quite some time.
There are a lot of big tanks in its (points and ££) cost bracket and it looks like the Astraeus would get torn apart by almost all them.
I'd take a Falchion over it any day.

Yep.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Did anybody else Lol at the 7+ needed for the Voidshield save when at 5 wounds or less?

Did anyone else lol at the poxwalkers having a 7+ armour save?

tneva82 wrote:
Just their way of saying voids are out(and future proofing if ever there is positive modifier maybe)

Thee already are several; the layered voids are explicitly a special kind of armour save, not an invulnerable save or a FNP type roll, so they would seem to benefit from cover bonuses and suchlike.

I would be very surprised if Void Shields gained the benefit of Cover. Not that it matters too much, thats a rather huge model to fit wholly inside terrain and obscure 50% of.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
Well thats the ugliest tank to come out of FW for quite some time.
There are a lot of big tanks in its (points and ££) cost bracket and it looks like the Astraeus would get torn apart by almost all them.
I'd take a Falchion over it any day.

Yep.

Even the Scorpion is looking better.

 Zingraff wrote:
Gor might be cool to have in an inquisitor's retinue. Anyone has any idea on how to use the model that way? I haven't yet had a chance to look at the current 8th edition rules for inquisitors.

He'd be cool to have in a retinue, but the Inquisition rules for 8th are beyond garbage, and probably the worst of any faction in the game. Most Inquisitor loadouts can't even be legally played anymore. You could take Gor as an Acolyte with a pistol and chainsword, and that's about it. But you'll have a very hard time justifying the use of that on the table.