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Between all the rules changes designed to make sales for miniatures that aren't moving that at the same time wreck good units, serious overpricing, and as the final cherry, all the extremely overpriced and subpar Finecast, how many posters on Dakka find themselves getting out of buying GW?
I was looking back and realized that I haven't bought anything GW(outside of the Necron codex) for almost a year just for the reasons I mentioned. I see a lot of complaints about the same thing and just wondered how many others out there are voting with their wallet.

Meh, it'll be the same for most other mini games (Hordes is equally pricy). I stay around because I love the fluff and minis. Yes, GW has their flaws, but so do other companies... they just stand out a lot more because they are so popular!

Love the lore of the 40k and fantasy universe too much to move completley away I just find myself buying from gaming stores that sell cheaper than rrp.

Really looking forward to dust warfare though as £10 for a squad is fantastic!

I'm thinking this might be my last year of gaming, though I'll probably still buy the odd mini to paint.

Want to move onto Flames of War or something different.

Flashman wrote:
Want to move onto Flames of War or something different.

Yeeessssss. Join us. Jooooooin us!

Relapse wrote:Between all the rules changes designed to make sales for miniatures that aren't moving that at the same time wreck good units, serious overpricing, and as the final cherry, all the extremely overpriced and subpar Finecast, how many posters on Dakka find themselves getting out of buying GW?
I was looking back and realized that I haven't bought anything GW(outside of the Necron codex) for almost a year just for the reasons I mentioned. I see a lot of complaints about the same thing and just wondered how many others out there are voting with their wallet.

You don't have to stop playing GW games if you stop buying their products. Don't buy into the idea that you have to "update your army" every time GW releases a FAQ, new codex, new edition, or new model.

biccat wrote:

Relapse wrote:Between all the rules changes designed to make sales for miniatures that aren't moving that at the same time wreck good units, serious overpricing, and as the final cherry, all the extremely overpriced and subpar Finecast, how many posters on Dakka find themselves getting out of buying GW?
I was looking back and realized that I haven't bought anything GW(outside of the Necron codex) for almost a year just for the reasons I mentioned. I see a lot of complaints about the same thing and just wondered how many others out there are voting with their wallet.

You don't have to stop playing GW games if you stop buying their products. Don't buy into the idea that you have to "update your army" every time GW releases a FAQ, new codex, new edition, or new model.

True enough. It's more the plunking down of hard earned money for miniatures that are becoming more and more overpriced the gets me. The sad part is, a lot of the new stuff is really good, but not worth the asking price.

I've not bought anything from GW since their RoTW/Price Increase/Finecast slap in the face.

Before that I had not really bought any GW stuff for a while (a year or so) . The last model I bought was a baneblade in a "we want to clear out the shop so have these things for virtually nothing" sale.

I still occasionally play GW games, though I have and am selling off most of my armies to leave me with just 2 small forces (3000 and 2000 points a piece instead of my 5 3000+ point armies).

Also planning on getting into Infinity as soon as I have finished selling off my stuff and have already started buying and painting various 3rd party models that I just like the look of.

I totally dropped out of table top gaming about 3 years ago. I'm now slowly starting to get back in to roleplaying. No need to paint loads and loads of models and allows to game closer to the fluff.

I'm still enjoying GW. In fact, I started WM/H about 6 months ago, and I am burning out on it far more visibly than I am with GW games I've played for years.

<raises shields>

Because of the community I play in. The WM/H players are absolutely the worst kind of WM/H snobs. Generally colors my view of the community quite nicely, and makes me want less and less of it.

Alot. Our entire group of 12+ pretty much has shelved GW games, picked up the warmhordes thing, adn some are getting into malifax.

One of the last Vet nights at the local Store saw:(which is a mix of us basement dwellers and store dwellers):

The mainstay was Warmahordes with mangled metal and 35 point games going on constantly. There were in the neighborhood of 10 or so Warmahorde games played, several Malifaux games, mainly demos that were well received....

3 FoW games,(4 of the FOW players were former WHFB players)

and 2 40k games. No Fantasy games played.

Around 14-15 players showed.

Nope. Actually about to get into fantasy. Just not buying my models from GW. Second hand or from online retailers if i have too.

I think we should all stop complaining about Gw and other company prices. In truth, they are fair. Not in the use of material, but for game purposes. Gw isnt going to sell terminators for 50 cents, that would complety ruin the game, and make it pointless to play because everyone would have 150 terminators and every game would be apocalypse. I think Gw priced models based on what they can do in the actuall game. And if they did drop prices to what material cost would be, you might as well play epic 40k or something. Same with other companies. If you love the game, you should accept those high prices, because with those, the company keeps the game fun and fair.

I'm playing more 40k games oddly. I considered other gaming systems, but I already have enough invested and needing to be painted in 40k stuff and a dabble in fantasy.

Helps to have a good store in your area.

Having read the 6th edition rules leak I may come back. The only things stopping me are that in four years it will change again and GW will arbitrarily decide a bunch of models I have don't exist any more and the models cost a small fortune these days. Finally, if I buy a model second hand that is missing pieces I can't mail order the missing parts.

Midnightdeathblade wrote:I think we should all stop complaining about Gw and other company prices. In truth, they are fair. Not in the use of material, but for game purposes. Gw isnt going to sell terminators for 50 cents, that would complety ruin the game, and make it pointless to play because everyone would have 150 terminators and every game would be apocalypse. I think Gw priced models based on what they can do in the actuall game. And if they did drop prices to what material cost would be, you might as well play epic 40k or something. Same with other companies. If you love the game, you should accept those high prices, because with those, the company keeps the game fun and fair.

So this is why GW have been dropping the in-game cost of units and upping their prices then? To make everything fair? You now need more of everything to play the same points level games you played 10-15 years ago (or even from codex to codex - which could be 10-15 years ago for some players ).

Just because something costs a lot of money, doesn't mean there is an actual justification for it costing that much beyond "people will pay that much for it", which GW are constantly being hit in their yearly takings where their unit sales are constantly dwindling as their prices rise to reflect the fact that more and more people are no longer willing to pay the prices they demand for their stuff.

Comparable WHFB kits from Mantic are half the price of the GW versions. Hell, I can get the amazingly detailed Gamezone vampire knight models for significantly less than the POS GW vampire knight models.

A lot of people are willing to pay what a model is worth; you and GW need to realise that GW's models are no longer worth what they are charging for a lot of people.

"GW will arbitrarily decide a bunch of models I have don't exist any more "

I keep seeing this argument and tried to find examples, I really can't see many cases where this has happened.

In all hobbies stuff becomes outdated and newer, shinier stuff comes along. Miniature wargaming is luckily one where you are rarely forced to replace what you have except with rules, etc.

ReturningPlayer wrote:"GW will arbitrarily decide a bunch of models I have don't exist any more "

I keep seeing this argument and tried to find examples, I really can't see many cases where this has happened.

In all hobbies stuff becomes outdated and newer, shinier stuff comes along. Miniature wargaming is luckily one where you are rarely forced to replace what you have except with rules, etc.

People cycle in and out of GW games. Pretty much the same as other games, with the difference that over time most other games go away, and GW is still around a decade later.

And I have to agree with the above post, there really aren't that many models that don't exist in the rules, that can't be used for something else.

I finally stopped buying i am keeping what i have maybe still am thinking of selling my Guard. I simply don't enjoy the game any more i had good times and bad times but the prices and rules are not for me. I still admire a lot of the nice stuff they put out but there is no way i am dropping another dime on a games workshop product. I have switched over to Battle Tech which was the first miniature game i ever played and i am glad to be back breath of fresh air i suppose feel better about spending 8-10 bucks on a mech than on a box of the same boring ass cadians that will cost me almost 30 Boooooo! Good bye GW you will not be missed

I just got into the hobby recently so I don't expect to be dropping out. Every hobby game, whether it's tabletop wargames, collectible card games or roleplaying games has their rules updated every so often in order to keep the game fresh and for the parent company to make money off new rulebooks.

The fact that GW releases new rulebooks and rules every couple years isn't that big of a deal compared to say, Magic: The Gathering. They come out with new sets every 4 months, and if you want to stay competitive with their most popular tournament format, Standard, you have to buy these new expansions. On top of that, every year they have a set rotation, meaning the oldest sets are no longer eligible for Standard play. Imagine if GW released Codexes, Army Books (WHFB), and new models at that frequency, while at the same time said "hey, those Terminators that are a year old? You can't play with those at a tournament any more. You have to buy these new models."

Simply put, GW's costs and rules changes are much less than other gaming hobbies.

Slowly switching over to Warmachine At least I can use my terrain for the game if nothing else.

At@ Field Marshal Wiley.

Old skool Battle Tech player here. My fave was the 70 ton Grasshopper.

Just found a group of people that play and really thinking of joining in once again.

ReturningPlayer wrote:"GW will arbitrarily decide a bunch of models I have don't exist any more "

I keep seeing this argument and tried to find examples, I really can't see many cases where this has happened.

Imperial Guardsman Sergeants with lasguns or boltguns, heavy weapon squads with carapace armour and command squad members with bolt pistols were my last hit from codex Imperial Guard. My non Grey Knight Ordo Malleus army became pretty much unfieldable in the new book.

There may have been more but I don't play so it's possible I missed stuff.

I love the Grasshopper Lasers...Jump...Lasers...Jump bought the 25th intro box almost a year ago at a comic convention i dove in and looked at all my new goodies but stopped and continued down the 40k road of madness. Finally cut myself off when i had enough and it took me going through some 40k withdrawl to don my Neuro helmet and read the rules all through 3 months after i bought it. Less than a week later me and my 3 other buddies started busting each others heads open every Sunday and have not looked back. We are starting up a group to try and draw in more members gonna call it Lambda Lambda Lambda already screen printing some shirts Lambda tri lam on front and need to find a good pic of a Land air Mech for the back.

I dropped out of GW right before finecast came out. I picked up FoW & Napoleonics towards the tail end of my GW gaming and when I was able to pick up several armies of both for less than one of my GW armies I knew it would be time for me to hang up my bolter. Besides the cost, there are other things about GW games that had bugged me for awhile (e.g. years between codex releases, no models available for some units years after a codex dropped, massive imbalances, etc...) , though that did end up being the deciding factor.

I still love the GW fluff and I love the crazy conversion work that goes on in the community, but I find that it's just not enough to keep me in their games.

For the past couple of years, I always thought that I'd be getting back into 40K once I had a stable, permanent job, so I could afford it again. Maybe I'd even start WHFB, too! I last played 40K actively just before 4th Ed. came out and I'd been taking a greater interest again in recent years, leafing through codexes I came across, eyeing up model ranges, even planning out competitive armies.

But, over the past couple of months, I've started to have a change of heart. It's just so expensive, and gets progressively more so (seeing as how their prices rise above the rate of inflation). And, even if I proxy with cheaper models, the games are designed to be time-intensive, both in modelling and playing.

I've been in the perpetual suckdom of unemployment and flitting between temp jobs for so long, that the idea of eventually pouring my time and money into something so all-consuming actually sounds kinda scary now. There's so many other things I'd want to do with the newfound freedom a stable job would give me, and I'd just feel stifled devoting so much effort to one pastime, even if I would enjoy it.

That's a happy ending in itself: realising one's priorities and being happy with them. But y'all don't care about that, do ya? No, a happy ending for a Dakkanaut involves tiny little army men! Fortunately, I've come to a delightful compromise...

Skirmish games! Specifically, Infinity and Malifaux. The small model count saves me both money and time, and the fact that these games are designed to be played with a small number of units means that my quick games will be adequately tactical and fulfilling, without that dreaded feeling that I'm playing a "Lite" version of a game (which is what low-point 40K matches feel like).

Hooray for priorities!
Hooray for compromises!
Hooray for skirmish games!

I'm already planning out armies as we speak!

Flashman wrote:I'm thinking this might be my last year of gaming, though I'll probably still buy the odd mini to paint.

Want to move onto Flames of War or something different.

That's not your last year of gaming. It's your first year of real gaming.

What about grey knights? they cost the same as marine products, but points wise, they cost twice as much. Same as SW.

Midnightdeathblade wrote:What about grey knights? they cost the same as marine products, but points wise, they cost twice as much. Same as SW.

What.

Looks at a 10-man tactical squad for $37.25 USD.

Looks at a 5-man Grey Knights squad for $33 USD.

...What?

Personally, I'm more into GW than ever right now, especially after the Warpath letdown. I might delve into Defiance Games's new sci-fi stuff once that gets running, since I really like what I've seen so far from them, but I honestly think that GW has shown an unusual amount of savvy and quality in their releases recently.

For me, the Finecast "scandal" is overblown. I personally prefer Finecast to metal-- it's much better for conversions-- and haven't really noticed very many people complaining about it aside from on the Internet. I think the nature of web forums and blogs means the most vocal haters often dominate discussions-- where I play, it seems like 40k is doing better than ever, and everyone is really excited about 6th edition to boot.

The funny thing is that I actually like Infinity and would love to branch out into it-- but nobody plays it in my area! Everyone is too busy with 40k, especially with GW moving from strength to strength with their great Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, and Necron releases.

Buy other companies stuff, keep playing GW games (if you absolutely can't find anyone to play alternative systems).

Personally speaking, the Mantic Corporation release will probably get me playing 40k again for the first time in about 6 years.