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To be honest their worst minis are old designs that someone decided to pull out of the drawer. They better should be left there.

@AD
AD already have their cavalry, the halfbreed.

I might have missed it but anyone notice that the Champion deals are actually more expensive than their website army starters?

Isn't that the point?

To charge you more than you would normally pay? The freebies after $175 level it back out but it seems a little silly before that. That being said I'm waiting for them to get hit the $200k mark and I'll put in for some buy one get one free deals that might take me up around $225 so tons of freebies.

Hulksmash wrote:I might have missed it but anyone notice that the Champion deals are actually more expensive than their website army starters?

The website starters don't come with:

"A Kings of War Hardback Rulebook, Mini-rulebook and 10 Dice" or the Vampiress Miniature.


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Speaking of the hardback rulebook...

Hulksmash wrote:I might have missed it but anyone notice that the Champion deals are actually more expensive than their website army starters?

They also come with way more minis, and a rulebook.

**doh, beat by 3 seconds!

@Schmapdi

No, they don't. Some actually come with less. Bear in mind this is at the captain level ($100). It goes back to level at the $175 mark.

@Cyporian

I would only consider the dice a real add-on as any other $100+ purchase will net you a electronic version of the hardback and a special undead model. I just don't like starting $25 behind

But to be absolutely fair I only have issue with the $100 level, the rest are amazing and as soon as you hit $175 it's friggin ridiculous

And to be even more fair in the extra's section they sell them for the same price as the website for the most part

Hulksmash, you've read the kickstarter page wrong!

The $100 level comes with $125 of stuff, plus a vampiress miniature... even before you add all the kickstarter freebies on top... once you do that it's more like $200 of stuff in total.

- $75 RRP Army Set
- $45 RRP Hardback Rulebook
- $5 RRP Dice.

My first post in this topic lays out all or most of the RRP costs, and is completely accurate. And nobody bothers to read it.

Re-read what it says on the kickstarter page. It says SOLDIER + Army Set + Vampiress.

Note that SOLDIER means "rulebook,mini-rulebook, and dice". All the stuff at the $35 level + Army Set + Vampiress.

Could it be less confusing? Yes! That's what I made the first post of this thread for.

Has this been pointed out to Mantic? Yes! But they can't change it with this one because kickstarter doesn't let you edit pledge levels once someone has picked them.

scarletsquig wrote:Gary Morley was the sculptor for the Drakon Riders. Massive, gigantic quality difference between his sculpts for the elves (Drakons, Stormwind Cav) and Kev White's sculpts (Palace Guard, Lord on Battle Dragon)

That explains a lot! I remember him ruining LotR with the sons of Elrond and the Swan Knights.

Hulksmash wrote:@Schmapdi

No, they don't. Some actually come with less. Bear in mind this is at the captain level ($100). It goes back to level at the $175 mark.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to the about-to-be-released battle-sets. But even if you're referring to the $75 army set - the contents are exactly the same as the $100 pledge. They don't contain less. Plus you get the rulebook, dice, and vampire mini on top of it. (plus a load of freebies).

Mantic really has too many starter sets/bundles/etc - it gets confusing.

See I am starting to really consider this now, especially thanks to a conversation earlier in the thread that explained I can upgrade one of the $175 armies to an elite for $50.

Can someone clarify for me, if I get the $175 and upgrade one of the two to elite for $50, making my total $225. That does count as $225 level for reward tiers aye?

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:See I am starting to really consider this now, especially thanks to a conversation earlier in the thread that explained I can upgrade one of the $175 armies to an elite for $50.

Can someone clarify for me, if I get the $175 and upgrade one of the two to elite for $50, making my total $225. That does count as $225 level for reward tiers aye?

The $175 pledge level only comes with one army, the $275 level comes with two armies.

Whatever your total amount pledged is, that's what counts for determining what freebies you get.

You can buy something ridiculous like 30 packs of wound counters and nothing else for $225 total if you want, and you'll still get the $225 level rewards.

Have a look at the first post, it's all in there, but feel free to ask or PM me about any other questions, I've been getting loads of PMs about this anyway.

@Scarletsquig

I appreciate you ardor but you need to breath. I read it and understand what comes in it. I'm coming from a purely model perspective as once you pledge $100 you're already getting an additional mini and the rulebook in an electronic format so to me those are a wash. I'd be generous and say you're starting $20 behind since the dice are $5.

And as I already pointed out the extras section has them for pretty much the same cost. Chill out, breath, and try reading what other people are saying too. I'm a fan of this kickstarter but am just meh about a hardback rulebook as this game just isn't played around me. I'm in it for the models if anything

Well, I did make that post before my morning cup o' tea so that would explain any crankiness.

I didn't realise you had no interest in the game and were removing the rulebook from your valuation based on that and the fact that you can get a free download anyway. When you said "they're charging more than you normally pay" that was the part everyone who doesn't see the full-colour hardback rulebook as being worth $0 took issue with.

If you just want the miniatures, you can just put down a $1 pledge, then buy anything you want from the special extras section, you'll still get all the rewards.

There are army boxes for sale in the special extra section too, for $75, if you want all the freebies at the $225 level, just get 3 of those.. and there won't be a rulebook in your order, just 3 army sets of cheap minis and a mountain of freebies on top.

My own real interest started when they added in the $110 goal with the ogres and werewolves.

SS - I know we're at the 11th hour, but is there any chance of you updating the first post with the values of the free extras extras (stuff in red) for the $100, $175 and $225+ levels?

I can figure it out myself for my own pledge, but it might be good to delineate just how much $ worth of stuff is now free with the different levels - especially if more people are hopping on board this weekend.

@SS

No worries. And I had pointed that out actually that the $75 seemed back on par with the offerrings from their website. Glad you've had your coffee

Just a quick question about the wound counters I am currently pledging for the General level but I believe it does not come with wound counters. How many are offered if I buy the add ons? And how many do you actually need when gaming?

^ There's 20 in a pack, which should be enough for a typical game using your 1000-point armies, although you might need a couple of packs for larger games, or if you want to place counters for both armies.

@scipio: Done!

$100 pledge has $210 worth of stuff.
$175 pledge has up to $578 worth of stuff.
$225 pledge has up to $738 worth of stuff.

The more I look at it, the more I think I'm going to pick the $125 deal so I can get 2 small armies (Orc and Undead), then use the next $100 to get the other 2 small army deals in the bonus section (Elf and Dwarf).

That should give me 4 roughly equal armies of Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, and Undead with the ability to use all the sweet extras at the $225 among all 4 armies.

Trying to maximize my entry into Manitc and I've drawn my brother in as well. I know he's at $225 and is thinking the same thing I am. 4 armies, lots of mix/match battles.

I'm a bit on the fence here still. Deal is really awesome but have a few questions

Are there any pictures of the undead Mummies? I can't seem to find any. Are they normal infantry sized or are they larger so you could use them as counts as Ukshabti for tomb kings or something?

Just to make sure I have my understanding right of how this works.

Say I pledge a total of $225
for
$175 1000 pt undead army
+25 for 10 celestian nuns x2 ( would actually get 20 because of buy one get one free?) want these for death cult assasins conversions.
+25 for 3 werewolves x 2 (would get 6 of these for the buy one get one free) these might make good thunderwolf counts as or vargulfs.

Then I would get all the free goodies for both $175 and $225 levels?

When exactly is all this delivered? It says Sept 2012 next to the $175 pledge but some of this stuff isn't even made yet and it says 2013 for some stuff I'm confused

No pictures of the mummies yet, but they will be infantry-sized, and match the style of the Mantic Undead.

You have everything right except for the fact that you would get all of the freebies listed at the $225 level, not all the freebies listed at both the $175 and $225 level (e.g. you wouldn't get 2 of each new unit, just the one).

Orders will be shipped in 2 parts, the first will include your rulebook and army and ship before September 2012, the second part with your werewolves, nuns, and all of the new freebies will ship in 2013 when all the new miniatures and freebies have been produced.

Hope that helps!

...and there go the Men-At-Arms!


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I was thinking the other day - at this rate, if they're going to send out all the newly-sculpted figures at once, they may well find it tough to get them all produced by Q2 next year. I foresee a lot of forum rage of the "WTF? Where my figures at???" variety..

Mantic is not in the habit of missing shipping dates, or promising what it can't deliver.

In fact, they've hinted that Q2 2013 is likely to be a "safe overestimate" of a few months to make sure they can handle it. So far, Mantic has managed to produce 3 resin plastic kits per month, pretty reliably (Corporation one month, Veer-myn the next, both with only a single sculptor working on the entire of both ranges), so these 15 kits could easily end up being completed by Q1 next year if they keep up their usual pace. Bob Naismith is employed full-time to sculpt for KoW, so he'll be cracking on with this for the rest of this year, probably with a freelancer or two to help out.

Odds are, the Kickstarter crowd will get advance copies of the miniatures, a few months before some of the last ones to get sculpted get put out for sale to the public.

Sounds good. I've just started to get concerned as the amount of stuff has really piled on so much in the last couple of weeks. Especially as I'm sure none of us would prefer them to rush at the expense of quality, either.

GW should kick start SOB like this.

Up to $225 now, that will have to be an end to it

Given all the free stuff offered in this Kickstarter, I'm a bit surprised it isn't even higher than it already is.

I wonder why that is the case?

WFB not being all that popular?

The higher buy in required to get the truly massive free stuff deal?

Just the "Buy 1 get 1 free" deals alone should have had people pledging like crazy.

Maybe no actual models and only concept sketches is the problem?

Weird...

well, there goes my gaming budget for a while, but it is an impressive list of free swag

About $35.000 in the last 24H; over 42H to go. it's picking up nicely, to say the least. At this pace, with the (hopefully substantial) usual last-minute pledge drive they'll have to come up with two or 3 more $25.000 stretch goals; it's likely going to go over $300.000. Nice!

Alpharius wrote:Given all the free stuff offered in this Kickstarter, I'm a bit surprised it isn't even higher than it already is.
I wonder why that is the case?
WFB not being all that popular?
The higher buy in required to get the truly massive free stuff deal?
Just the "Buy 1 get 1 free" deals alone should have had people pledging like crazy.
Maybe no actual models and only concept sketches is the problem?

Weird...

I reckon it's a combination of things:

Fantasy is less popular.
Mantic is still very small - lots of people still haven't heard of them.
They do not have a solid reputation for quality sculpts across the range yet. - (don't argue guys - it's true - and I say this as a supporter)
While this drive is huge here on Dakka - what about the other big forums? There's only about 3 posts on wargamer.au
A lot of people still have a "Go GW or Go Home!" mentality.
Lots of people are more focused with their purchases. A big bag of mixed swag doesn't hold much for them - they just want stuff for their X army. (I'm the opposite)

Let's not forget though - they're doing amazingly well for a $5k target.