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Ok Dakka-nauts,

What is the perfect number of points for army sizes in your opinions for the various missions and mission types? Also, what missions (i.e. Hammer and Anvil, Vanguard Strike, Dawn of War) do you prefer for the missions types and why?

I like smaller 1000 - 1200 points games currently. I am new to the game and I find that this allows me to get used to the rules and play a good size game for my experience level. I have been rolling Dawn of War w/ Big Guns Never Tire a lot lately, but I don't have a favorite yet, being so new.

Looking forward to reading all your responses!

-Ghost

1500-1850 gives some nice, balanced, diverse armies. It's currently the format I prefer; fights tend to be less affected by silly rolls, small mistakes, and general bad luck at these sizes.

I like big games! 2k standard, but I'll play 2.5, 3 or 4k games any chance I get.

Wow I can't imagine playing above 2K let alone close to 4k games. Must be taxing lol

1.5k is usually the size i play. any thing above that and i get bored and wander off after a while.

2203 points.

1000 to 1850. At this range you really have to think about what you want to take in your army, you can't just splurge. It's also harder to build spam expensive units when points are scarce.

It also takes less time so you can get more games in.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
2203 points.

I have to bite at this one. That's a very specific number. How did you come to it?


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 rems01 wrote:
1000 to 1850. At this range you really have to think about what you want to take in your army, you can't just splurge. It's also harder to build spam expensive units when points are scarce.

It also takes less time so you can get more games in.

My thoughts exactly when it comes to fitting in more games. The more I get to play the faster I learn and the better I get. I'm getting creamed as of right now though. Playing a 40K vet currently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_number

Your question is really unanswerable. With all the different combinations of missions, deployments, and codexes, there is no optimal points level for anything. Its all about list building, chance, and player skill.

I only play for fun, and I'll only play against players who are of a similar mind set to me, this doesn't mean we don't try to win or have a internal competition between players, but once you get the hang of things, you should be able get a 2k game finished in about 3 hours. They might be daunting for a start but with the right group of players big games can be so much fun. Me and my regular gaming buddy had a 7k Apoc. game at Warhammer world a few months ago, that was pretty epic.

Shameless plug, but here is a little overview of our apoc game, if you want to get a feel for bigger games. Mines the blood angels.
http://www.astronomican.com/showthread.php?24390-Apocalypse-Games

Eldercaveman wrote:
this doesn't mean we don't try to win or have a internal competition between players

Stop it, please, I'm dying

 TheCaptain wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
this doesn't mean we don't try to win or have a internal competition between players

Stop it, please, I'm dying

Care to ellaborate?

1000-1500 points. Enough that you're playing an army and not HQ + troops with a token support unit, enough to bring redundant units for each role and avoid the "my melta died turn 1, I lose" issue, but not so much that you can include everything you want, or that the 6x4 table becomes a crowded parking lot. And of course games end quickly even when we're not concentrating 100% on fast play at the expense of all else.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_number

Your question is really unanswerable. With all the different combinations of missions, deployments, and codexes, there is no optimal points level for anything. Its all about list building, chance, and player skill.

Look that's your opinion and that was what I asked for. There was also a secondary question if you will read the original post. So, do you have a preferred mission and mission type you like to play? If so, what points limits do you like to play them at?

4,000 points a side, 2 players per side.

I like it when my artillery has lots of things to shoot at.

It's actually not much of an opinion. Many armies have optimal points levels. For instance, Dark Angels sort of max out around 1750-2000 points. You're asking a hypothetical question with a theoretical answer.

Anywhere between 1k and 2k for me, larger games are good fun but I think I like smaller games because there is less margin for error so you get to learn your army fast.
That and smaller games take less time lol.

Iv even played a few 500pt games lately, each casualty really makes a difference. Its a nice change to, oh that squad died, 2nd squad move up.

Eldercaveman wrote:
I only play for fun, and I'll only play against players who are of a similar mind set to me, this doesn't mean we don't try to win or have a internal competition between players, but once you get the hang of things, you should be able get a 2k game finished in about 3 hours. They might be daunting for a start but with the right group of players big games can be so much fun. Me and my regular gaming buddy had a 7k Apoc. game at Warhammer world a few months ago, that was pretty epic.

Shameless plug, but here is a little overview of our apoc game, if you want to get a feel for bigger games. Mines the blood angels.
http://www.astronomican.com/showthread.php?24390-Apocalypse-Games

Shameless plugs are ok, I'm not picky. Just NO TROLLIN!

Wow ya that board you played on was awesome sauce! Thanks for sharing that Elder!


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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
It's actually not much of an opinion. Many armies have optimal points levels. For instance, Dark Angels sort of max out around 1750-2000 points. You're asking a hypothetical question with a theoretical answer.

... please leave my thread. Thank You


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 Xeriapt wrote:
Anywhere between 1k and 2k for me, larger games are good fun but I think I like smaller games because there is less margin for error so you get to learn your army fast.
That and smaller games take less time lol.

Iv even played a few 500pt games lately, each casualty really makes a difference. Its a nice change to, oh that squad died, 2nd squad move up.

Ive been wanting to try some 500pt games. I read a thread on 40K in 40min that I found interesting. They played 400pt games with limited mission types. The reports were really well written. I will see if I can find it again. I agree with you about the learning your army faster aspect of smaller point games. I will slowly add as I get more minis and decide how I want to build my army.

Also, to the rest of those reading or who have already posted this thread. Any answers to the second question?


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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/485743.page

Here it is.

Wow... ok... you can either listen to what people say, or at least try to start threads with some focus. Topics like, "what is the best points ever" are a little too broad.

Ok, I'll play along. Well, for the Scouring, you'll need about 5 troops choices, so you'd better be packing some cheap scoring units. Nids maybe? Now, if you draw Hammer & Anvil, they can probably survive if you put plenty of objectives deep in your deployment zone. Vanguard and Dawn are pretty thin, so be strategic.

Do you see why this is a non-subject? There are 9 differents combinations of standard missions in the book. Multiply that by the 16 codexes out there, that becomes 144 different combinations of mission, deployment, and army. Some will not do well with Big Guns, because they don't do Heavy well, same with the Scouring and Fast Attack. If they don't show, it's not much of a loss.

See the problem with your original statement now?

For the deployment types, I prefer the dawn of war deployment, and my favourite mission is emperors will I believe of that is the mission with high amount of objectives. I really don't like kill point games, at all.

Did you check out the rest of the photos or just the ones on the post? It was a great day.

And falcon, I believe the op is after subjective answers not objective. Its a discussion of personal opinions, rather than a math exercise.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Wow... ok... you can either listen to what people say, or at least try to start threads with some focus. Topics like, "what is the best points ever" are a little too broad.

Ok, I'll play along. Well, for the Scouring, you'll need about 5 troops choices, so you'd better be packing some cheap scoring units. Nids maybe? Now, if you draw Hammer & Anvil, they can probably survive if you put plenty of objectives deep in your deployment zone. Vanguard and Dawn are pretty thin, so be strategic.

Do you see why this is a non-subject? There are 9 differents combinations of standard missions in the book. Multiply that by the 16 codexes out there, that becomes 144 different combinations of mission, deployment, and army. Some will not do well with Big Guns, because they don't do Heavy well, same with the Scouring and Fast Attack. If they don't show, it's not much of a loss.

See the problem with your original statement now?

Solo,

We get it. You know everything there is to know about 40K and LOVE to flex that muscle on new comers. I ask for peoples Personal Opinions about what they think is (loosely stated here) the perfect number for THEM. I don't care for your brand of "share my wisdom by being a condescending " trolling. So if you would like to contribute and say "Ya hey I like this for this reason" then great. If not, then please let the rest of us have our conversation. Good day sir.

Ok then. I like to play a lot of Annihilation games. Just pure killing. And I like to play them big, 2500 points. Most times we don't have time to pull out the objectives markers and all that.

Eldercaveman wrote:
For the deployment types, I prefer the dawn of war deployment, and my favourite mission is emperors will I believe of that is the mission with high amount of objectives. I really don't like kill point games, at all.

Did you check out the rest of the photos or just the ones on the post? It was a great day.

And falcon, I believe the op is after subjective answers not objective. Its a discussion of personal opinions, rather than a math exercise.

Thank you Elder, that is exactly what I'm after. Also, no I didn't check the other pics out. *sheepish grin* But I will!
Also, thank you for contributing you preferred missions and objectives.


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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Ok then. I like to play a lot of Annihilation games. Just pure killing. And I like to play them big, 2500 points. Most times we don't have time to pull out the objectives markers and all that.

Exactly what I was looking for there Solo. I appreciate your contribution to the conversation. I'm not a huge fan on Annihilation games just yet. I still have a lot to learn and I tend to enjoy objective based gaming a little more. I might try a 2500 point game once I'm back in the states. We are limited to smaller games here in my living quarters due to the space and table size. I am looking forward to a good 2k match when I have my whole army put together.

1500-2000

750pts-2000pts. I like smaller games for my Eldar for some reason, even if they are over priced units but I still do well enough. For Eldar, 750-1500. For my nids, I like seeing swarms of little guys and bigs guys together, I prefer 1500-2000 points for them.

1500-2000 seems to be a good level. Sometimes I'll go down to about 1000-1250 though, but that's more because stuff isn't ready at the time.

496 or 8128

In all seriousness I like the 1250 - 1500 range. It lets me get a couple of games in real quick for most evenings.

2000 is generally whats being played at my FLGS

I like 1500.

2000 just takes too long.

2500-5000 played on a minimum 6'X8' board ( sometimes 10'X8' ), lotsa terrain and various victory conditions.

we make a day of it.